Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Moderators: penbeast0, trex_8063, PaulieWal, Doctor MJ, Clyde Frazier
Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,196
- And1: 1,953
- Joined: Jul 03, 2006
Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Which front has the most potential? they're very similar in that bargnani nor love compliment their franchise players.
Any Pokémon fans out there? Check out my Youtube channel jchucollection
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- General Board Mock Draft Champ
- Posts: 4,801
- And1: 3,246
- Joined: Sep 04, 2002
- Location: Tdot, Windsor
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,928
- And1: 17
- Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
I'd take Love over Bargnani and Jefferson over Bosh.. So I'll have to go with Love/Jefferson. But then again I am a Wolves fan. I am interested to hear what fans from other teams think.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- swisscheeseD
- NCAA Bracket Challenge Champion
- Posts: 9,248
- And1: 4,239
- Joined: Jan 26, 2007
- Location: Tonight's The Night
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
I think Love is the best player of the bunch...
Chicago Bulls
PG: Kemba Walker / T.Rozier / B.Wannamaker
SG: Donte DiVincenzo / T.Ross / P.Connaughton
SF: Kawhi Leonard / R.O’Neale / Caleb Martin
PF: Draymond Green / B.Portis / A.Aminu
C: Jonas Valanciunas / M.Harrell / F.Kaminsky
PG: Kemba Walker / T.Rozier / B.Wannamaker
SG: Donte DiVincenzo / T.Ross / P.Connaughton
SF: Kawhi Leonard / R.O’Neale / Caleb Martin
PF: Draymond Green / B.Portis / A.Aminu
C: Jonas Valanciunas / M.Harrell / F.Kaminsky
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 78,414
- And1: 19,958
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Tough call.
Bosh is playing out of his mind this year and is clearly the best player in the group (considering this season only).
Kevin Love has been a 15/12/3 player so far this year... in 32 mpg (and he isn't foul-prone). He has, of course, only played about half the games, so his stats are a bit skewed (not the rebounding, though, the rate is basically the same as last year, and the scoring seems about right, too, no big change in efficiency).
SO he's young and very compelling as an option.
Al Jefferson....was a weak to mediocre defender who wasn't a good passer before his injury. Since coming back, he's been less effective on O, the glass (although that's partly because of Love) and he's been a somewhat better passer (to be fair to him, Minny's sucked a lot at hitting shots when he dishes, so he's always looked a little worse than he actually was). He's still useless on D.
Bargnani is an interesting offensive tool, but is IMO a 6th man masquerading as a starter. He's a gimmick to attack a dominant interior defender who provides weak rebounding and terrible help D for the most part.
Can I switch them around? Bosh and Love would be a FILTHY pair, but confined to the original question, I'm compelled to select Jefferson and Love, if only because Love has a lot of potential and those two have better offensive chemistry and rebounding.
Bosh is playing out of his mind this year and is clearly the best player in the group (considering this season only).
Kevin Love has been a 15/12/3 player so far this year... in 32 mpg (and he isn't foul-prone). He has, of course, only played about half the games, so his stats are a bit skewed (not the rebounding, though, the rate is basically the same as last year, and the scoring seems about right, too, no big change in efficiency).
SO he's young and very compelling as an option.
Al Jefferson....was a weak to mediocre defender who wasn't a good passer before his injury. Since coming back, he's been less effective on O, the glass (although that's partly because of Love) and he's been a somewhat better passer (to be fair to him, Minny's sucked a lot at hitting shots when he dishes, so he's always looked a little worse than he actually was). He's still useless on D.
Bargnani is an interesting offensive tool, but is IMO a 6th man masquerading as a starter. He's a gimmick to attack a dominant interior defender who provides weak rebounding and terrible help D for the most part.
Can I switch them around? Bosh and Love would be a FILTHY pair, but confined to the original question, I'm compelled to select Jefferson and Love, if only because Love has a lot of potential and those two have better offensive chemistry and rebounding.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,196
- And1: 1,953
- Joined: Jul 03, 2006
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
lol i'm kinda surprised with some of the comments here, didn't think Love was the best player of the bunch since Bosh is still quite young and gots lots of room to grow still and so is Bargnani. isn't Kevin Love a bad defender?
Any Pokémon fans out there? Check out my Youtube channel jchucollection
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- NG15
- Bench Warmer
- Posts: 1,420
- And1: 155
- Joined: Jun 16, 2008
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Damn, CB lost all respect eh?
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- Sophomore
- Posts: 164
- And1: 64
- Joined: Aug 17, 2009
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Bosh/ Bargs quite easily. People who think Love is better than Bosh are irrelevant in life.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 31,919
- And1: 5,943
- Joined: Oct 09, 2005
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Bosh is the best player by good margin, that gives the T-dot duo the advantage.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- Bench Warmer
- Posts: 1,485
- And1: 60
- Joined: Mar 11, 2007
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Bosh is quickly becoming savagely underrated.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 78,414
- And1: 19,958
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
I don't think Bosh is getting underrated here; I think the issue isn't so much Bosh as Bargnani dragging the group down.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- Relentless88
- RealGM
- Posts: 11,794
- And1: 101
- Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
swisscheeseD wrote:I think Love is the best player of the bunch...
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- sca
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,395
- And1: 9,172
- Joined: Aug 21, 2004
- Location: Turkey
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
swisscheeseD wrote:I think Love is the best player of the bunch...
haha, nice one
RaptorsLife on Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:45 pm wrote:nabbs wrote:RaptorsLife wrote:Nurse can’t be our head coach
Why not? Who is your choice?
Def Messina
RaptorsLife on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:31 pm wrote:Messina sucks
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- Nothingface
- Assistant Coach
- Posts: 4,322
- And1: 8
- Joined: Jan 06, 2006
- Location: Spinward Marches
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
tsherkin wrote:I don't think Bosh is getting underrated here; I think the issue isn't so much Bosh as Bargnani dragging the group down.
Just because you don't like him, don't assume the same of everyone else.
I do what I feel, not because people ask me to do this,” Bargnani says, holding his hands over his head and doing a strange chicken dance.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- Joel Embust
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,801
- And1: 3,055
- Joined: Feb 11, 2005
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Jefferson and Love.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- Dr Positivity
- RealGM
- Posts: 59,694
- And1: 15,486
- Joined: Apr 29, 2009
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Bosh and Bargnani and it's not even close for me. I am an Al Jefferson hater. I do not think it's possible to build a good offense around a post player who's inefficient, needs the ball constantly, doesn't pass and clogs the lane all day. I would rather have Bargnani who is efficient, doesn't need the ball, and spreads the floor. Even with the considerable rebounding differential, to me Bargnani is >>>>>>> Jefferson offensively so it doesn't matter. I honestly think Al Jefferson hurts his team offensively by being on the court. The only positive aspect he brings is good offensive rebounding. Otherwise he's a high volume inefficient scorer who makes his teammates worse. Where's the value in that? Why not just play a Varejao type at C who'll get you those offensive rebounds without screwing up everything else?
Bosh vs Love is similarly lopsided. Bosh has been dominating this year.
If that's not enough, look at the results. Minnesota is 5-14 with Al and Love playing. They have the 3rd worst offense in the league despite being 8th in offensive rebounding. Last year they were 24th offensively. Al and Love stink defensively, so for them to have any upside they'll have to be a top 10 offensive team in the league. So far they have shown absolutely 0 signs of that happening. I don't care if Al scores 22ppg and Love scores 17, it doesn't matter if you can't run an offense through them or the majority of your shots are inefficient. Unlike Bosh and Bargnani who have at least proven they can anchor a top 5 offense by being extremely efficient scorers who don't need the ball and spread the floor
Bosh vs Love is similarly lopsided. Bosh has been dominating this year.
If that's not enough, look at the results. Minnesota is 5-14 with Al and Love playing. They have the 3rd worst offense in the league despite being 8th in offensive rebounding. Last year they were 24th offensively. Al and Love stink defensively, so for them to have any upside they'll have to be a top 10 offensive team in the league. So far they have shown absolutely 0 signs of that happening. I don't care if Al scores 22ppg and Love scores 17, it doesn't matter if you can't run an offense through them or the majority of your shots are inefficient. Unlike Bosh and Bargnani who have at least proven they can anchor a top 5 offense by being extremely efficient scorers who don't need the ball and spread the floor
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- Dr Positivity
- RealGM
- Posts: 59,694
- And1: 15,486
- Joined: Apr 29, 2009
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
What Minnesota needs to do is dump Jefferson and Flynn and build an uptempo team around Rubio and Love. How fun would that be? They'd be a perfect compliment. Love could use his outlets as much as Unseld and Walton/Russell, getting the rebound and then igniting Rubio fast breaks... it'd also be a financial goldmine if the Wolves became a Suns-like signature "fun" team. And they'd be the most fun pair to play with in the league so they'd be a better FA destination
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 31,919
- And1: 5,943
- Joined: Oct 09, 2005
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
Dr Mufasa wrote:What Minnesota needs to do is dump Jefferson and Flynn and build an uptempo team around Rubio and Love. How fun would that be? They'd be a perfect compliment. Love could use his outlets as much as Unseld and Walton/Russell, getting the rebound and then igniting Rubio fast breaks... it'd also be a financial goldmine if the Wolves became a Suns-like signature "fun" team. And they'd be the most fun pair to play with in the league so they'd be a better FA destination
Love has a hell out an outlet pass, but its gonna be hard to hit Rubio from opposite sides of the Atlantic
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
-
- Banned User
- Posts: 10,533
- And1: 10
- Joined: Aug 28, 2004
- Location: In between a pimp and a hard place
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
swisscheeseD wrote:I think Love is the best player of the bunch...
Kid's, this is why you're supposed to pass and not just keep puffing.
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
- BrooklynBulls
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 32,733
- And1: 2,652
- Joined: May 13, 2007
- Location: Avidly reading WillPenney.com
- Contact:
Re: Bosh/Bargnani vs. Jefferson/Love
OP asked for "the most potential." To me, that answer is clearly Love/Jefferson. Love is just starting his NBA career but is already better than Bargnani. Jefferson is still recovering from an injury, and reasonably young himself. They'll never fit WELL, but they can fit less badly than Bargnani fits Bosh. Because in my opinion, Bargnani is the opposite of what Bosh needs defensively, and he's not insanely useful for Bosh offensively. The spacing is convenient, but probably superfluous. As far as mismatched frontcourts go, I'd prefer J.Lo.