[/quote]HMFFL wrote:Ruhiel wrote:In the playoffs who was he ignoring? How many of his 3s came at the buzzer with no time remaining?
How is he ignoring his coaches? Larry Drew said play the 3 and post up and play within the motion.
Did he go out of his way to shoot 3 pointers? not really. Did he go to his strengths drive post up and work around the rim? yes.
I saw Josh go out of his way on plenty occasions in the playoffs to shoot 3-pointers. He went 0-9 against Chicago and 3-24 during the playoffs.
There were 12 games and he played 438 minutes. 438 minutes/ 24 3PA
That's only one 3 pointers every 18:15 minutes .
I define going out of his way is dancing with the ball and hitting a step back three. Or telling a lesser post scorer to post up and he'll stretch out to 3.
You need to define going out of his way. Furthermore How many of those 24 threes came at the end of a shot clock.
If you discount those shot clock padded 3PA then its probably cut in half. But to give you the benefit of doubt instead of me lets say only 6 of those 3s were shot clock forced shots.
That would mean he only took one three every 24 minutes of play.
I do not understand. You need to define going out of his way.
[quote="Ruhiel"]lol, romanticism at it's finest.
How many times does Rodman box out here? Rodman was shorter and so yes had a much lower center of gravity and could move while the ball was in the air, get in position to get a fingertip on the ball and keep it alive for himself.
Speed helps rebounding, its why slow guys like Jason Collins are terrible. He can box out but he cant pursue/ get to the ball.
You have to get the ball, hardly any guy can outright box a guy out and then change directions and get the ball.
The Rodman box out comparison needs to die.
No reason for me to watch the video when I watched Dennis Rodman since day one... Dennis did a fine job at the basics, positioning himself, and boxing out. It's what made him so damn good. The only time Dennis Rodman averaged Josh Smith's career rebounding high or less was during his first two seasons. Josh Smith on the other hand needs to take notes from someone like Kevin Love who is unathletic and still manages to put Josh Smith to shame. Josh is so gifted, but he fails at the basics, and he'll continue to be an underachiever.
Since you didn't watch the video it shows Rodman, unlike Josh and many other non Hall of Famers, benefited from speed (to get to the ball) and quick jumping as well as wiry strength and a good center of gravity.
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Josh Smith will never be as fast as Rodman and will never get the position that made Rodman a Hall of Famer.
This is like me saying Horford needs to focus on the basics of shooting with 8 feet arms like Bob McAdoo.
If you're too slow and can't get into position then it doesn't matter how "gifted" Josh is.
Dennis Rodman had his own physical gifts which you refuse to recognize.
Being heavy and stocky is a physical gift. Kevin Love, Charles Barkley, Wes Unseld, Dejuan Blair
Kevin Love btw is white but he's more "athletic" than Wes Unseld btw.
Flat footed Love jumps 29.5".
Josh Smith jumps 32.5" flat footed (who knows if this fell since weight gain).
So rebounding wise Josh jumps a mere 3 inches higher than 255 lb Kevin Love.
Love is not some big classical unathletic stiff. He has his own gifts
Josh actually had his best year rebound wise, why because he got heavier and could hold position.
If you want to see a "physically gifted player" look at Manute Bol. High center of position and Couldnt get into position or hold position.
Complete opposite of Dennis 'the Worm' Rodman.
Rodman had a low center gravity, quick 2nd jump could hold position and move into position and push others even Shaq out of position. Wiry upper body strength.
What good is Josh's leaping if he cant move into position and gets pushed under the basket by Joakim.
Dennis is gifted for rebounding and pushing guys. All Josh stands out in is his running vert. Thats good for transition dunks as a wing, which Rodman could do also. He won his 1st ring as an SF.
