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I would be real happy with him at 15.....thoughts
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A bit of a sleeper pick IMO but I would absolutely welcome kyle anderson to the hawks! In fact, I have mentioned his name once or twice! He is a do-it-all guy with solid length! Not sure if I like him because I think he's nba ready or got a high ceiling (probably the latter) but exciting prospect and worth the risk with his versatility.
Hawks need more versatility on the wing. Korver is a great shooter and Carroll is a good defender but Anderson would be refreshing because he can handle, pass, shoot/score, rebound etc.
Nice post!
Hawks need more versatility on the wing. Korver is a great shooter and Carroll is a good defender but Anderson would be refreshing because he can handle, pass, shoot/score, rebound etc.
Nice post!
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Kyle is probably a SF in the NBA who can maybe give 5-10 minutes as a PF. You can also hide Kyle's defensive inabilities by pairing him up with an athletic and defensive minded SG and PG like Schroeder, Carroll (and Bebe).
The exciting aspect of Kyle's game is his ability to get defensive rebounds and lead the break, like how Horford, or Josh Smith use to do. If Kyle could get some defensive rebound, he could throw up some ally oops to Horford and Bebe on the break.
The exciting aspect of Kyle's game is his ability to get defensive rebounds and lead the break, like how Horford, or Josh Smith use to do. If Kyle could get some defensive rebound, he could throw up some ally oops to Horford and Bebe on the break.
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he reminds me of Michael Redd
December of 2019 “Trae Young Involved in 'Emotional' Locker Room Scene After Hawks Loss. Atlanta Hawks star Trae Young is unsurprisingly getting tired of the team's struggles.”
Get Trae some HELP!!!!
Get Trae some HELP!!!!
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myrak433 wrote:he reminds me of Michael Redd
Maybe athletically, but Redd had a sweet stroke. Kyle has defintely improved his shot, but more consistency is needed. I for one love him regardless as a prospect. He could emerge as a top wing from this class with his unique skill set and size/length.
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I really like Anderson on the court, but the more I hear about him the more he turns me off with what's going on off the court. On the court, he's a true point forward that has the measurables to play the PF position on D. If he gained 10-15 pounds then he could even be someone who could throw his weight around on D while still having the skills to run the point on O. Off the court, Anderson has decided that he is a PG (on O) and that he shouldn't adjust to what a team wants/needs him to be. Further, he apparently has family who not only are enabling this belief but furthering it.
Now, part of me says he's right and that his best position on O is to have the ball in his hands. The bigger part of me says that, if that's true, then he should earn that privilege - not see it as his right. Kind of get the feeling that if he ends up on a team that doesn't have a clear plan that basically gives him the ball over whatever vets that team has in place, then he'll pout his way off the roster. Are we the team that will change out our O to cede to his talents? Eh, I could be wrong but I just can't see Coach Bud doing that...
Now, part of me says he's right and that his best position on O is to have the ball in his hands. The bigger part of me says that, if that's true, then he should earn that privilege - not see it as his right. Kind of get the feeling that if he ends up on a team that doesn't have a clear plan that basically gives him the ball over whatever vets that team has in place, then he'll pout his way off the roster. Are we the team that will change out our O to cede to his talents? Eh, I could be wrong but I just can't see Coach Bud doing that...
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It's officially time to start doing our homework on this kid:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/473077869703200768[/tweet]
Haven't heard of any other prospects we've already invited back for a 2nd visit. But regardless, team official seem to be enamored with this kid.
My guess is he could be SF/PF off the bench for years to come. Similar to Toni Kukoc for the Bulls.
Bigger issue, how does he fit with all these other bigs we've drafted under Ferry. While he has a skill set unique to any of them, one common trait among all of them is how weak physically they are. Fundamentally sound, but unable to really bang in the post.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/473077869703200768[/tweet]
Haven't heard of any other prospects we've already invited back for a 2nd visit. But regardless, team official seem to be enamored with this kid.
My guess is he could be SF/PF off the bench for years to come. Similar to Toni Kukoc for the Bulls.
Bigger issue, how does he fit with all these other bigs we've drafted under Ferry. While he has a skill set unique to any of them, one common trait among all of them is how weak physically they are. Fundamentally sound, but unable to really bang in the post.
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Not a good fit for the Hawks imo.
His defense is suspect enough....the guards will blow past him and the Lebrons/Carmellos/Wiggins will have field days with him. His slow, un-athletic quick step also means he won't be able to drive it in and dish out assists w/o turning it over so often. He'll simply be taking away from Teague by handling/dishing the ball. This also means Teague will have less opportunities to score.
Imo, he's really only effective if you have enough shooters on your team. Speaking of which, the Hawks need another shooter to balance out Milsap and Horford.
Hawks need Nik Stauskas or James Young. Some good shooters who will open up space.
His defense is suspect enough....the guards will blow past him and the Lebrons/Carmellos/Wiggins will have field days with him. His slow, un-athletic quick step also means he won't be able to drive it in and dish out assists w/o turning it over so often. He'll simply be taking away from Teague by handling/dishing the ball. This also means Teague will have less opportunities to score.
Imo, he's really only effective if you have enough shooters on your team. Speaking of which, the Hawks need another shooter to balance out Milsap and Horford.
Hawks need Nik Stauskas or James Young. Some good shooters who will open up space.
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His lack of athleticism is troubling.
In order for him to flourish, he definitely needs to get into an ideal situation that provides significant minutes for him to utilise his skillset.
In order for him to flourish, he definitely needs to get into an ideal situation that provides significant minutes for him to utilise his skillset.
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Joshumitsu wrote:Not a good fit for the Hawks imo.
His defense is suspect enough....the guards will blow past him and the Lebrons/Carmellos/Wiggins will have field days with him. His slow, un-athletic quick step also means he won't be able to drive it in and dish out assists w/o turning it over so often. He'll simply be taking away from Teague by handling/dishing the ball. This also means Teague will have less opportunities to score.
Imo, he's really only effective if you have enough shooters on your team. Speaking of which, the Hawks need another shooter to balance out Milsap and Horford.
Hawks need Nik Stauskas or James Young. Some good shooters who will open up space.
Strongly agree with this assessment. Sadly I don't think Stauskas will be available when we draft.
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I agree with this assessment, but a few points to consider:Joshumitsu wrote:Not a good fit for the Hawks imo.
His defense is suspect enough....the guards will blow past him and the Lebrons/Carmellos/Wiggins will have field days with him. His slow, un-athletic quick step also means he won't be able to drive it in and dish out assists w/o turning it over so often. He'll simply be taking away from Teague by handling/dishing the ball. This also means Teague will have less opportunities to score.
Imo, he's really only effective if you have enough shooters on your team. Speaking of which, the Hawks need another shooter to balance out Milsap and Horford.
Hawks need Nik Stauskas or James Young. Some good shooters who will open up space.
1) His measurements are actually pretty good for a PF so I can't think that NBA teams are really looking at him as an SF (well, outside of a big lineup or some other exotic lineup) as opposed to a matchup nightmare for PFs - in fact, I'd guess he would play C as much as he'd play SF (again, he wouldn't play either much, but the mismatch against opposing C is more pronounced than putting him @ SF where his tools don't stand out as much). At 230, he doesn't need to add much weight to be a guy who could be someone who weighs as much as the guys who would be considered "bangers" at the position. Hence, he wouldn't be guarding LeBron / Melo / Wiggins or a G unless there was a switch or something in which case you tip your hat and move on. He'll be much more likely to guard the likes of Nene, McBob, and Bosh.
2) I'm not a D aficionado or anything, but I remember reading an article on the Spurs' D and the only thing that was required of their perimeter defenders was to a) not get blown out by the 1st step and b) play help defense. As with Korver, I think Anderson's D could actually play up in our scheme since we rely so much on help D where his length and b-ball IQ can play bigger factors than in a straight m2m game. I don't think he'll ever be considered a stopper or anything, but I don't think it'll be as hard to hide him as one would think.
3) Personally, I think he'd be a great fit on our O. As I noted, he'd be someone that other teams would have to account for. The 1st play (or concept) that I think of is when you use a big to move the ball across the court. (I'm sure you've seen it - the one bringing the ball up the court will push the ball up to one side and when he realizes he doesn't have the numbers, he'll pass to the C who was trailing at the top of the key who'll move the ball to the opposing wing to start the O.) Having someone known for perimeter skills at the top of the key in this alignment would be scary for opposing Ds. Not only have we opened up the high/low screen game after the pass, but Anderson has also added a nice Catch and Shoot jumper to his game that would force whoever is guarding him to stay out of the lane which opens up the initial ball push for a dribble drive... and that's just 1 of the sets we play.
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Kyle is a lottery talent that could be pushed to 15 because the draft is so deep. Kyle would be a great addition to the team, but the real question is, would you take Kyle Anderson over LaVine, James Young, Rodney Hood, Adreian Payne or McDermott if they are available at #15?
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After watching Diaw's impact this post-season, most recently in Game 1 of the NBA Finals...I'm becoming much more comfortable with drafting this Anderson kid.
Diaw uses smarts, guile, size to leave his imprint on the game. Anderson should be able to do that and more as he is (slightly) more athletic than the rotund Boris and has a better jump shot.
There are absolutely concerns regarding his perimeter defense. But this can be rectified by great team defense which we've seen SAS do consistently this post season.
Count me in as a believer that Slo-Mo Anderson could be exactly what this team needs: Solid rebounder, steady ball handler, experienced playmaker.
Due to his experience, high IQ and lack of athleticism, could this kid be the anti-Josh Smith? All brains, no hops...
Diaw uses smarts, guile, size to leave his imprint on the game. Anderson should be able to do that and more as he is (slightly) more athletic than the rotund Boris and has a better jump shot.
There are absolutely concerns regarding his perimeter defense. But this can be rectified by great team defense which we've seen SAS do consistently this post season.
Count me in as a believer that Slo-Mo Anderson could be exactly what this team needs: Solid rebounder, steady ball handler, experienced playmaker.
Due to his experience, high IQ and lack of athleticism, could this kid be the anti-Josh Smith? All brains, no hops...
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I don't believe you can be a successful wing player in the NBA with the type of speed (or lack thereof) that Kyle Anderson displays. There's a baseline level of athleticism required to be successful, and simply put I don't think Kyle Anderson meets the bar.
Best case, opposing teams will hide their worst defenders on him, because he doesn't have the speed to get open off-ball. Worst case, NBA-caliber defenders are going to be able to crowd him and successfully force turnovers or long jumpshots. Note that he already has turnover issues in college (3 TOV/game), which are only going to go up in the pros.
Best case, opposing teams will hide their worst defenders on him, because he doesn't have the speed to get open off-ball. Worst case, NBA-caliber defenders are going to be able to crowd him and successfully force turnovers or long jumpshots. Note that he already has turnover issues in college (3 TOV/game), which are only going to go up in the pros.
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Good analysis, Mike. I agree with this to an extent. But watching Diaw moving with and without the ball last night in that system really makes me think the kid could be a viable weapon.
Diaw will never be an offensive juggernaut, but his rebounding and ball distribution are legit. His drive and dish game is exceptional for a guy who plays against 4s and 5s. Kyle can do every bit of this in our system.
Read an article I think you'd like:
Kyle will never be able to beat his own man one-on-one, but his ability to cause mismatches and play multiple positions could prove a nightmare for opposing coaches going forward.
Regarding putting the worst defender on Anderson, his post game would negate throwing a weak defender (like say Kyle Korver) on him. Anderson has the ball skills and IQ to run of curls and finish in the lane against slow defenders and the strength to dominate down low against weak ones.
Diaw will never be an offensive juggernaut, but his rebounding and ball distribution are legit. His drive and dish game is exceptional for a guy who plays against 4s and 5s. Kyle can do every bit of this in our system.
Read an article I think you'd like:
HEREAll together, his impact on the Spurs’ production was incredible.
With Diaw on:
Offensive rating: 133.9
Defensive rating: 89.1
Net rating: 44.9
With Diaw off:
Offensive rating: 78.9
Defensive rating: 123.5
Net rating: -44.6
This wasn’t even an isolated game, either.
In Diaw’s last three contests, the Spurs have outscored their opponents by 59 points in his 102 minutes. In the other 47 minutes, they’ve been outscored by 11 points.
Kyle will never be able to beat his own man one-on-one, but his ability to cause mismatches and play multiple positions could prove a nightmare for opposing coaches going forward.
Regarding putting the worst defender on Anderson, his post game would negate throwing a weak defender (like say Kyle Korver) on him. Anderson has the ball skills and IQ to run of curls and finish in the lane against slow defenders and the strength to dominate down low against weak ones.
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theatlfan wrote:,,,,,,, Off the court, Anderson has decided that he is a PG (on O) and that he shouldn't adjust to what a team wants/needs him to be. Further, he apparently has family who not only are enabling this belief but furthering it.
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you couldn't be further from the truth.
kyle's #1 priority is the team, and he will do whatever the team wants and do whatever it takes. that has always been in his dna. certainly, he feels more comfortable with the rock, but look, he settled at playing sf to larry drew2's pg without a word of complaint even though howland never gave kyle a chance to compete at pg. people said he couldn't shoot - he came back and showed them he could. he will do whatever it takes to win - he doesn't care if he's 0-0-0 as long as the team wins.
he has the mindset of a spur, so the atl staff probably appreciates that. btw, it looks a lot like atl is closing in on ka. we're talking about a player who was slated at late 1st round at the beginning of the year and has moved up steadily. kyle, for obvious reasons, has been the most dissected player and the most known quantity in the last 3yrs - there is nothing anyone doesn't already know him. kyle's dad is enabling him to be the best player he can be and to have the best career he can have, and that is all. kyle wanted to leave after 1 year. his dad told him to stay. but make no mistake, neither kyle nor his dad has any illusions about kyle's game.
you know when pops said(about his player) "they've gotten over themselves"?...kyle was never full of himself to begin with. that's why everyone he's played with loved playing WITH him. kyle is a very special kid. me,,,,i wish he'd be drafted by the spurs because that's the kind of player kyle is. and if he gets drafted by a team that knows how to play him, kyle will be the steal of the draft. UCLA literally fell apart without him. he was asked to do more than any player UCLA has ever had in their entire history, and like kevin love. kyle has had doubters at every level. he is used to that pressure place on him by others and himself. he was clutch at UCLA, and he never failed the team
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Look like I hit a nerve with a UCLA fan...miltk wrote:you couldn't be further from the truth.
kyle's #1 priority is the team, and he will do whatever the team wants and do whatever it takes. that has always been in his dna. certainly, he feels more comfortable with the rock, but look, he settled at playing sf to larry drew2's pg without a word of complaint even though howland never gave kyle a chance to compete at pg. people said he couldn't shoot - he came back and showed them he could. he will do whatever it takes to win - he doesn't care if he's 0-0-0 as long as the team wins.
he has the mindset of a spur, so the atl staff probably appreciates that. btw, it looks a lot like atl is closing in on ka. we're talking about a player who was slated at late 1st round at the beginning of the year and has moved up steadily. kyle, for obvious reasons, has been the most dissected player and the most known quantity in the last 3yrs - there is nothing anyone doesn't already know him. kyle's dad is enabling him to be the best player he can be and to have the best career he can have, and that is all. kyle wanted to leave after 1 year. his dad told him to stay. but make no mistake, neither kyle nor his dad has any illusions about kyle's game.
you know when pops said(about his player) "they've gotten over themselves"?...kyle was never full of himself to begin with. that's why everyone he's played with loved playing WITH him. kyle is a very special kid. me,,,,i wish he'd be drafted by the spurs because that's the kind of player kyle is. and if he gets drafted by a team that knows how to play him, kyle will be the steal of the draft. UCLA literally fell apart without him. he was asked to do more than any player UCLA has ever had in their entire history, and like kevin love. kyle has had doubters at every level. he is used to that pressure place on him by others and himself. he was clutch at UCLA, and he never failed the team
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The problem is that a lot of the "facts" you put up here can be read in multiple ways. You hypothesize that Kyle was perfectly happy in Howland's system. He still figured he wanted to go pro though until his dad stepped in and informed him that he could continue to grow under the new coach. He then blows up with a year of experience and a new coach. While this is perfectly plausible, there are much more plausible scenarios that explain all this. Another scenario: he was willing to give Howland's system a try (as a FR - why not?) but by the end of the season he was miserable and had already had it in his mind that he was gone which is a much better explanation for why a player with athleticism questions is trying to be a one-and-done after a season that would only generously be described as "sub-par" (aka, 0-0-0 means he ain't sticking around). After Howland's firing, Alford comes in and promises Anderson a much bigger role in the Offense. Dad Anderson only steps in when Kyle is still leaning toward leaving to point out to Kyle that if he goes pro now, then he might not break the 1st round (sub-par athleticism with limited defensive potential; offensive game would be highly questioned after posting below average efficiency on low usage his FR year) and encourages him to give the new coach who has promised him the moon a try. From an outsider with some understanding of college athletics and the allure of pro ball, this is much, much more plausible scenario then the one you give.
Still, my comments aren't necessarily reading tea leaves - there was a report at the time relaying as much as well (the comment not the scenario in the paragraph above). I went looking for the source, but it's been 3 weeks since the comment so that link is apparently lost for me right now. Still though, it agrees with the scenario in the above paragraph in that he doesn't want to end up in another situation like he was with Howland and is willing to use whatever leverage he has in an attempt to land in a situation he likes better. As I said in the same post that you quote (and, for whatever reason, decided to remove), there is part of me that agrees with him here: you should know yourself and strive to put yourself in the best situation possible for you. I took this to mean that he is actively encouraging those who think he's a stretch 4 and shouldn't overstep those bounds to look elsewhere. Still though, I do think that if being a stretch 4 gets him on the court in the best league in the World, then he should be more open to the suggestion. You should prove that you belong on the floor 1st, then you can prove that he should have a bigger role.
As far as the draft and the possibility of drafting him, I really don't know. On the one hand, I do think that we are one of 2 teams, along with UTH who recently hired our assistant coach, that could give him the best combination of having the proven ability to use his unique skill set and the situation that can offer immediate PT. We can use our relations with SAS to sell Diaw's role here. OTOH, I don't see the fit in terms of where we are drafting, the rumors we've been connected to, and Kyle. We like him, but at 15, we're a little ahead of his range. We've been linked to trading up for Saric and/or Stauskas and have supposedly promised Prozingis at 15. If this is true, then Anderson is, at best, 4th on our list of guys who would be available after the top 8 and at 15, there's only 7 slots available. The much more plausible scenario would that that, assuming we can't figure out how to move up and land Saric, we shop for a pick in the late 1st/early 2nd area to land Anderson if he starts to fall.
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theatlfan wrote:Look like I hit a nerve with a UCLA fan...
The problem is that a lot of the "facts" you put up here can be read in multiple ways. You hypothesize that Kyle was perfectly happy in Howland's system. He still figured he wanted to go pro though until his dad stepped in and informed him that he could continue to grow under the new coach. He then blows up with a year of experience and a new coach. While this is perfectly plausible, there are much more plausible scenarios that explain all this. Another scenario: he was willing to give Howland's system a try (as a FR - why not?) but by the end of the season he was miserable and had already had it in his mind that he was gone which is a much better explanation for why a player with athleticism questions is trying to be a one-and-done after a season that would only generously be described as "sub-par" (aka, 0-0-0 means he ain't sticking around). After Howland's firing, Alford comes in and promises Anderson a much bigger role in the Offense. Dad Anderson only steps in when Kyle is still leaning toward leaving to point out to Kyle that if he goes pro now, then he might not break the 1st round (sub-par athleticism with limited defensive potential; offensive game would be highly questioned after posting below average efficiency on low usage his FR year) and encourages him to give the new coach who has promised him the moon a try. From an outsider with some understanding of college athletics and the allure of pro ball, this is much, much more plausible scenario then the one you give.
Still, my comments aren't necessarily reading tea leaves - there was a report at the time relaying as much as well (the comment not the scenario in the paragraph above). I went looking for the source, but it's been 3 weeks since the comment so that link is apparently lost for me right now. Still though, it agrees with the scenario in the above paragraph in that he doesn't want to end up in another situation like he was with Howland and is willing to use whatever leverage he has in an attempt to land in a situation he likes better. As I said in the same post that you quote (and, for whatever reason, decided to remove), there is part of me that agrees with him here: you should know yourself and strive to put yourself in the best situation possible for you. I took this to mean that he is actively encouraging those who think he's a stretch 4 and shouldn't overstep those bounds to look elsewhere. Still though, I do think that if being a stretch 4 gets him on the court in the best league in the World, then he should be more open to the suggestion. You should prove that you belong on the floor 1st, then you can prove that he should have a bigger role.
As far as the draft and the possibility of drafting him, I really don't know. On the one hand, I do think that we are one of 2 teams, along with UTH who recently hired our assistant coach, that could give him the best combination of having the proven ability to use his unique skill set and the situation that can offer immediate PT. We can use our relations with SAS to sell Diaw's role here. OTOH, I don't see the fit in terms of where we are drafting, the rumors we've been connected to, and Kyle. We like him, but at 15, we're a little ahead of his range. We've been linked to trading up for Saric and/or Stauskas and have supposedly promised Prozingis at 15. If this is true, then Anderson is, at best, 4th on our list of guys who would be available after the top 8 and at 15, there's only 7 slots available. The much more plausible scenario would that that, assuming we can't figure out how to move up and land Saric, we shop for a pick in the late 1st/early 2nd area to land Anderson if he starts to fall.
i think the most plausible reason for kyle wanting to be a 1done is that's the way he was brought up. he was a #3 ranked elite in high school and that's what top5 players do. like bazz, kyle came into UCLA thinking he was a 1done. and unfortunately UCLA has a bad record of keeping it's players
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Not comparing him to Larry bird but, His lack of athleticism don't scare me. At 15, he's just one part to make our team better. I rather get a guy that I know when he steps on the court, will be a great teammate and make everyone better than a another raw athlete that may not pan out.