BREAKING: Thabo Sefolosha

[ATLHawksfan21]

Trading for green would be a terrible idea. Tie up 10 million in cap going in to next off season on an average player.

No thanks

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[PandaKidd]

Deng over green

Green is a terrible option he's just not that good.

I think we are letting the dust settle . see what's left. Still A LOT of good impact players out there .

Monroe , parsons , Deng , hawes , GH , PP etc

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[hawkschop1]

None of those six names are UNrealistic IMO


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[Hawk Eye]

Can someone fill me in..

Do we or do we not have the option of using a TPE or MLE for Thabo?
And if we don't, then why the crap did we just pick him up? That shaves off 4 million in cap space and sends our chances of getting a big name FA down the drain.

[Phunkabilly]

Although I'm not completely opposed to picking up Thabo (I think he does fit the team fairly well), it seems like this is the type of guy you can pick up later on in free agency for 1-2 years with DMC type money. Giving this guy 3 guaranteed years @ 4M per seems like a bit of an overpay to me, and very un-Ferrylike. At least make the third year a team option, or something. I'd imagine that's why Thabo jumped at the deal.

I'm guessing Ferry sees Thabo as our version of Bruce Bowen. And if Thabo does end up being just as productive as Bowen on both ends of the floor, then I'll change my tune and will give the deal two thumbs up.

[ATL Boy]

Can someone fill me in..

Do we or do we not have the option of using a TPE or MLE for Thabo?
And if we don't, then why the crap did we just pick him up? That shaves off 4 million in cap space and sends our chances of getting a big name FA down the drain.

If we did just shave this money off our cap then Ferry is an idiot. We'd essentially have traded Lou and Bebe for Thabo, I've been a big Ferry supporter but this would just be a stupid thing to do.

[Hawk Eye]

Can someone fill me in..

Do we or do we not have the option of using a TPE or MLE for Thabo?
And if we don't, then why the crap did we just pick him up? That shaves off 4 million in cap space and sends our chances of getting a big name FA down the drain.

If we did just shave this money off our cap then Ferry is an idiot. We'd essentially have traded Lou and Bebe for Thabo, I've been a big Ferry supporter but this would just be a stupid thing to do.

If we cant use a TPE or MLE for Thabo then i dont get it? I gotta believe Ferry is smarter than this..

Perhaps Milsap could be out the door? His value is at its highest and we would possibly get more cap room depending on what we trade him for

[Hawk Eye]

If Sefolosha can play this kind of D for us next season, then shooting slump or not this will make a HUGE impact for us. Obviously it would be an even bigger bonus if he gets his shot back.

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[D21]

So what your saying is that we basically traded Lou and Bebe for Thabo...

It may look like that at this moment, but it's not.
Without the trade, we would have less cap room now, and it can be the difference between getting someone for 12M and not getting him at all because you only have 10M available.

Don't forget that we can get 4.5M from the difference between Williams' contract and Salmon's buyout,
and another 1.5M of room by sending Bebe to TOR (his cap hold)

So we got 6M more.
If we spend 16M of room by buying one player at 4M, then one at 12M, it's the same thing in the end than buying one at 12M first, then one at 4M.
And the fact to get 4M guy first leaves you with less money, but at least, if you think that your target is worth 12M and nothing more, you offer 12M and nothing more, and the agent can't say you "hey, you have 16M to spend, give us at least 14M..."

max for Monroe would be about $12 million per year, so that would just wipe out the rest of the cap for the Hawks.

Max for Monroe will certainly be around 14.8M, not 12M, so we can't offer him his Max now, but it doesn't change anything, because it would be a mistake to offer him a Max contract.
At least, we are to not over-offer him now

Can someone fill me in..
Do we or do we not have the option of using a TPE or MLE for Thabo?
And if we don't, then why the crap did we just pick him up? That shaves off 4 million in cap space and sends our chances of getting a big name FA down the drain.

If we did just shave this money off our cap then Ferry is an idiot. We'd essentially have traded Lou and Bebe for Thabo, I've been a big Ferry supporter but this would just be a stupid thing to do.

Ferry is maybe less stupid than we can't think : if all the information is getting are showing that not top F.A. will sign in ATL, and that only the guy worth less than 12M are maybe interested to sign here, then this move is good, because we won't overpay someone, and it's what SAS always did.

SAS just sign Mills first for 4M/year...

Only James, Anthony and maybe Bosh are now worth more than 12M, and they won't come here, so what's the point to keep more than what other players are worth ?

Here are the exact numbers if we waived Salmons :
- as long as we keep Mack and Scott Q.O. : $12,683,582 of room left
- if we renounce their Q.O. : $13,932,316 left

It's all explained here : Hawks Salaries Information

[atlantabbq99]

Max for Monroe will certainly be around 14.8M, not 12M, so we can't offer him his Max now, but it doesn't change anything, because it would be a mistake to offer him a Max contract.
At least, we are to not over-offer him now

Its not 14.8 million. The contract is prorated so it will start off at 13.6 million in the first year, which is still with in the Hawks' current cap.

So the Hawks can still offer max to Monroe.


2014-15..... $13,601,250
2015-16..... $14,628,844
2016-17..... $15,656,438
2017-18..... $16,684,031
2018-19..... $17,711,625

[jagstang76]

Don't forget guys, with the expiring contracts we have right now (Millsap, DMC, and Salmons), we have more options than you think. Also, don't we still have that cap exception from Al's injury last season? I mean, we have a lot of options on top of our cap space. I could see DF making a trade or SnT deal to bring in someone of better star potential. Yes, we may be able to sign Monroe outright, but we also theoretically make a deal with the Knicks to get them some cap flexibility in a deal to SnT for Melo. Not saying that is going to happen, but it would mean Melo would make his coin and the Knicks would be able to have a quicker turnaround with all that cap coming off the books next season (not to mention still being pretty competitive).

[D21]

Max for Monroe will certainly be around 14.8M, not 12M, so we can't offer him his Max now, but it doesn't change anything, because it would be a mistake to offer him a Max contract.
At least, we are to not over-offer him now

Its not 14.8 million. The contract is prorated so it will start off at 13.6 million in the first year, which is still with in the Hawks' current cap.

So the Hawks can still offer max to Monroe

???
When talking about a Max contract, it's the value of the first that is calculated. It doesn't mean that you are only able to increase the following years, you can stay flat or decrease, but all Max contracts are based on the first year.

In 2013-14 with a Salary Cap of $58.679M, the Max for 0-6 years was $13.7M
so it won't be $13.6M in 2014-15 with a Salary Cap of $63.2M

Without trading more contracts than we receive, and get almost 1M more of room, we won't be able to send him a Max offer, but again, that's doesn't change anything since I doubt that Ferry and Bud think Monroe is worth that kind of money.

Once again, here are the exact numbers if we waived Salmons :
- with Mack and Scott Q.O. : $12,683,582 of room left
- if we renounce their Q.O. : $13,932,316 left

Since we don't know if Thabo's contract is decreasing or increasing, it can change by 0.17M more room to 0.19M less room :
- with Mack and Scott Q.O. : between 12.49M and 12.85M
- without them : between 13.74M to 14.1M

[Lundahl]

Lawd some of you guys criticizing this signing are absolutely ridiculous. We weren't going to get Melo or Lebron anyways and I hope some of you guys aren't/weren't delusional enough to think we had a real chance to get either one (Of course I will eat my words if we do).

This is a good pickup. We struggled without DMC and Korver this year, but Thabo can seriously alleviate that as he is the 3 and D player that can thrive in our system in a 24-28 mpg role. He isn't a wing that can create his own shot, unfortunately, but to get him for 4 million is a GOOD signing.

I see us now going hard after Monroe, giving us a 9 man rotation of Monroe/Horford/Korver/Thabo/Teague with Millsap, DMC, Payne, and Mack/Shroeder as our sparks off the bench.

[theatlfan]

The 1 thing about the cap that does get me is that it takes away the threat of a max contract to an RFA. If we could go to say, DET, and say "we'd prefer to work out an SNT for Monroe, but if push comes to shove, we will offer him a max offer sheet" then we have some leverage in those negotiations. If we come in and say "We want Monroe for $12M - please work an SNT with us so that we can get him for our price" then we've handed over a hammer to the other team. DET's greatest leverage is the threat to match an offer sheet, but the smaller the initial offer sheet, the greater the likelihood of matching the contract and the easier it is to trade Monroe next year.

[atlantabbq99]

Max for Monroe will certainly be around 14.8M, not 12M, so we can't offer him his Max now, but it doesn't change anything, because it would be a mistake to offer him a Max contract.
At least, we are to not over-offer him now

Its not 14.8 million. The contract is prorated so it will start off at 13.6 million in the first year, which is still with in the Hawks' current cap.

So the Hawks can still offer max to Monroe

???
When talking about a Max contract, it's the value of the first that is calculated. It doesn't mean that you are only able to increase the following years, you can stay flat or decrease, but all Max contracts are based on the first year.

In 2013-14 with a Salary Cap of $58.679M, the Max for 0-6 years was $13.7M
so it won't be $13.6M in 2014-15 with a Salary Cap of $63.2M

Without trading more contracts than we receive, and get almost 1M more of room, we won't be able to send him a Max offer, but again, that's doesn't change anything since I doubt that Ferry and Bud think Monroe is worth that kind of money.

Once again, here are the exact numbers if we waived Salmons :
- with Mack and Scott Q.O. : $12,683,582 of room left
- if we renounce their Q.O. : $13,932,316 left

Since we don't know if Thabo's contract is decreasing or increasing, it can change by 0.17M more room to 0.19M less room :
- with Mack and Scott Q.O. : between 12.49M and 12.85M
- without them : between 13.74M to 14.1M

Your numbers don't make any sence. If you get Monroe, you don't need Scott

$12,000,000 - Horford
$9,500,000 - Millsap
$8,000,000 - Teague
$4,000,000 - Thabo
$6,253,521 - Korver
$2,500,000 - Carroll
$1,690,680 - Dennis
$1,690,680 - Payne
$1,312,920 - Jenkins
$1,250,000 - Antic
$1,148,163 - Mack

total - $49,345,964
cap - $13,654,036

[ATLHawksfan21]

I saw an infographic somewhere yesterday that said we still had like 15+ million if we renounced mack and scott and let antic go. This was also with 1 million of our cap being counted for salmon, so we could have another million if we traded him.

I will look around and see if I can find it.

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[ATLHawksfan21]

I found the graphic, but I can't figure out how to embed it. Jason Walker tweeted the graphic last night.

From the graphic, it looks like we can have 15,637,842 if we let go of Mack, Scott, Antic and traded Salmons.

Couldnt we keep Mack's offer on the table, which would leave us around 14.5 mil. Sign whoever we are after, and then use the mini exception on Scott or Antic?

[Jamaaliver]

CBS Sports take on us acquiring Thabo:

Thabo Sefolosha | SG

Free agent ranking: 64
Team: Hawks | Deal: 3-year, $12 million deal
Comment: I understand what the Atlanta Hawks are trying to accomplish with this move, but how you view it is also what you think about his outside shooting moving forward. Thabo is a career 34.8 percent 3-point shooter. In 2011-12, he made 43.7 percent of his shots from downtown (albeit on just 71 attempts). In 2012-13, he made 41.9 percent of his threes on 258 attempts. Last season, he regressed right back toward his career average with an accuracy of 31.6 percent. So which Sefolosha is the real Sefolosha? Is he a good enough defender still to placate a possible poor shooting season from him?

And what do the Hawks get out of him if his defense isn't up to snuff? The Hawks really need a creator on the wing to help out and Sefolosh can't do that at all. If the plan is to make him the starter for this team, it just doesn't feel like this is a proper signing. If he's going to be a role player off the bench, then it's not a bad gamble but a third year seems unnecessary. They gave up Lou Williams to the Raptors to have extra cap space and they're settling by using it on Sefolosha. They need him to be able to shoot. Grade: C

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24607288/free-agency-grades-for-thursday-july-3-dirk-stays-in-dallas

[D21]

1)

Your numbers don't make any sence. If you get Monroe, you don't need Scott

Please, can you tell me where did I say such a thing ?

- You put numbers of what you would do if you make an offer to Monroe
- I put numbers of lowest and highest room limits (up to you to do anything between those limits) to mainly show that the highest room at this moment and even if we don't keep both Scott and Mack doesn't allow to offer Monroe a Max offer (when you were saying that it was possible).

Anybody is free to pick an option between these lowest and highest room option, including not keeping Mack or what you says of not keeping Scott, because I never said that we need to keep Scott if we make an offer to Monroe.

2)

$12,000,000 - Horford
$9,500,000 - Millsap
$8,000,000 - Teague
$4,000,000 - Thabo
$6,253,521 - Korver
$2,500,000 - Carroll
$1,690,680 - Dennis
$1,690,680 - Payne
$1,312,920 - Jenkins
$1,250,000 - Antic
$1,148,163 - Mack

total - $49,345,964
cap - $13,654,036

It would be 13,854,036, but as it's for 11 players, you have to add one roster charge of $507,366, so the real cap room in this case (not keeping Scott) is $13,346,670 (13,854,036 - 507,336)

[Baller2014]

Good signing. He'll be useful in a slightly bigger role on the Hawks.