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jayu70 wrote:If they were able to bring back BOTH, the Tiago deal would not have occurred.
Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:If they were able to bring back BOTH, the Tiago deal would not have occurred.
I simply need some type of corroborating evidence. Some whisper, insider, off the record comment.
Cause that makes no sense.
(NAH, we need a center but keep your affordable, championship winning Center to yourself. We have Mike Muscala and Edt Tavares instead?)Kevin Arnovitz ✔ @kevinarnovitz
Hawks had a breaking point on Carroll in the neighborhood of 4/$50M. Might have nudged up a bit, but not significantly.
12:06 PM - 1 Jul 2015 · Los Angeles, CA, United States
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I can't locate the article (maybe by C-Viv) about the Hawks surprise in the wee hours of FAcy that the Hawks were surprised by what DMC's camp was being offered and what guys like Aminu were getting.(That's where not having Ferry would have helped)The Atlanta Hawks wanted to bring the band back after winning 60 games in the regular season, but couldn't do so for financial reasons. DeMarre Carroll agreed to a four-year, $60 million deal with the Toronto Raptors on the first day of free agency, and he said in a radio interview on Sunday that the Hawks told him they had to choose between him and Paul Millsap, who agreed to a three-year, $59 million deal:
PandaKidd wrote:WHAT THE EFFFFFF IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND HERE LOL
The Spurs wanted LMA, they needed cap space. They had a "deal" in place with the Hawks to help each other out. Hawks get DEPTH and "REBOUNDING" and the SPurs walk into a meeting with LMA with the ability to match other suitors offers. That was the WHOLE POINT.
Demarre Carroll wasnt staying here unless he took a 8-10 million dollar hometown discount, which he said during the playoffs and after the season ended, WASNT HAPPENING.
Did the Hawks EVEN make DMC an offer? I dont think they did.
HereMark Bradley wrote:The more I see of the post-Ferry Hawks’ moves, the more I miss Danny Ferry. Since Budenholzer and Wes took charge of personnel, the Hawks have:
- Traded Adreian Payne to Minnesota for a lottery-protected pick
- Parlayed the 15th pick in the 2015 draft into Tim Hardaway Jr, the Hawks’ 10th man
- Traded for Tiago Splitter (who has done little here before getting hurt)
Now...They traded two guards who didn’t play much plus a second-round pick for a 35-year-old guard who was past his prime four years ago.
Last spring, Mike Budenholzer was named the NBA’s coach of the year. He finished fourth in the voting for executive of the year.
Question: How many votes — even third-place ones — is Budenholzer apt to draw for anything this season?
When you plunge from 46-12 after 58 games to 31-27, you’re no longer flavor of the month.
...the man who once had all the answers appears stumped. The Hawks’ only successful major move since Budenholzer became de facto team president has been to keep Paul Millsap as a free agent, and even that hasn’t had the desired effect. They’re on pace to go 44-38, which is exactly how they fared in Years 1 and 3 under Larry Drew.
A year later, here’s what they have: A president who had no background in presidential matters but fell into the job on an interim basis, and a coach whose master plan — Pace and Space! — has already reached the point of diminishing returns.
Take away DeMarre Carroll, slash Kyle Korver’s effect by two-thirds, cut Jeff Teague’s production by a fourth, and what do you have? A reminder that, in the NBA, scheme is nice but it’s the players who matter. As was revealed in the playoffs, the 60-win Hawks weren’t exactly a team of top-shelf talent. If we credit Budenholzer for making that talent look better than it was, we must debit him for not effecting any sort of offseason upgrade.
Jamaaliver wrote:Bradley at AJC notes that the luster has fallen off of Budenholzer less than a year after winning Top Coaching Honors and being named Pres of BBall Operations:Last spring, Mike Budenholzer was named the NBA’s coach of the year. He finished fourth in the voting for executive of the year.
Question: How many votes — even third-place ones — is Budenholzer apt to draw for anything this season?
When you plunge from 46-12 after 58 games to 31-27, you’re no longer flavor of the month.
...the man who once had all the answers appears stumped. The Hawks’ only successful major move since Budenholzer became de facto team president has been to keep Paul Millsap as a free agent, and even that hasn’t had the desired effect. They’re on pace to go 44-38, which is exactly how they fared in Years 1 and 3 under Larry Drew.
A year later, here’s what they have: A president who had no background in presidential matters but fell into the job on an interim basis, and a coach whose master plan — Pace and Space! — has already reached the point of diminishing returns.
Take away DeMarre Carroll, slash Kyle Korver’s effect by two-thirds, cut Jeff Teague’s production by a fourth, and what do you have? A reminder that, in the NBA, scheme is nice but it’s the players who matter. As was revealed in the playoffs, the 60-win Hawks weren’t exactly a team of top-shelf talent. If we credit Budenholzer for making that talent look better than it was, we must debit him for not effecting any sort of offseason upgrade.
SichtingLives wrote:life hack:
When a man heaves a live chainsaw towards you from distance, stand still. No one has good accuracy throwing a chainsaw.
ATL Boy wrote:Can't really argue with that.
Like Bradley says: good coaching is nice, but championships are dependent on the players you have to work with, and that comes from the GM office. Bud isn't a good enough GM to make this team a title contender IMO.
