Official "get the Hawks a center" thread

[Hawk Eye]

Exactly what the title says. I think we can all agree that after losing to the 1-9 Lakers, this team needs a center. This thread is for specific trade scenarios/ideas for us as well as outside fans to get the Hawks a center.

[Chuck Everett]

Koufus, Perkins, NBA draft. Someone who will box out and defend the paint. Need a real center just to do the dirty work, nothing fancy.

[SBM]

Don't need necessarily need a C.

JJ Hickson
Faried
Reggie Evans

guys like that have shown time and time again that the will to rebound trumps size.

[PandaKidd]

I agree with SBM at this point we have hitched our wagon to AH, we just need anyone serviceable.

Hell COLE ALDRICH, PERKINS anyone with size.

We would take on thabo but not Perkins?

Why not make a run at zaza again last year.

I see almost every other team with at least 1 serviceable big, we have none. Pero and brand ....

Even NYK found some size

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[Hawk Eye]

I agree with SBM at this point we have hitched our wagon to AH, we just need anyone serviceable.

Hell COLE ALDRICH, PERKINS anyone with size.

We would take on thabo but not Perkins?

Why not make a run at zaza again last year.

I see almost every other team with at least 1 serviceable big, we have none. Pero and brand ....

Even NYK found some size

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Why not do cole Aldrich for John Jenkins? Win win. NYK is clearly in heavy tank mode and they get a prospect out of the deal and we actually get immediate rebound help instead of watching Jenkins rot on the bench.

[Yungsta404]

I agree with SBM at this point we have hitched our wagon to AH, we just need anyone serviceable.

Hell COLE ALDRICH, PERKINS anyone with size.

We would take on thabo but not Perkins?

Why not make a run at zaza again last year.

I see almost every other team with at least 1 serviceable big, we have none. Pero and brand ....

Even NYK found some size

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Why not do cole Aldrich for John Jenkins? Win win. NYK is clearly in heavy tank mode and they get a prospect out of the deal and we actually get immediate rebound help instead of watching Jenkins rot on the bench.

the knicks already have a log jam at the SG position with shump, hardaway, and smith.

[atlantabbq99]

Don't need necessarily need a C.

JJ Hickson
Faried
Reggie Evans

guys like that have shown time and time again that the will to rebound trumps size.

I was also thinking of Reggie Evans or Biyombo

[atlantabbq99]

I would be willing to trade Horford, .50c to the dollar for a 10rpg center...... maybe Horford for Mason Plumlee

[SBM]

I would be willing to trade Horford, .50c to the dollar for a 10rpg center...... maybe Horford for Mason Plumlee

Got damn man, your really ready to move on.

[atlantabbq99]

I would be willing to trade Horford, .50c to the dollar for a 10rpg center...... maybe Horford for Mason Plumlee

Got damn man, your really ready to move on.

...... how about Horford for Gorgui Dieng..... his PER36 has him at 14/13

[SBM]

I would be willing to trade Horford, .50c to the dollar for a 10rpg center...... maybe Horford for Mason Plumlee

Got damn man, your really ready to move on.

...... how about Horford for Gorgui Dieng..... his PER36 has him at 14/13

Not straight up.

Maybe Dieng, Martin, and a 1st.

[simon24]

The Hawks don't need a center. They just need Horford to get 100% soon so Coach Bud stop playing Antic so much.

Some strange reason Bud gives extended minutes to Antic over Brand and Muscula but that's another issue. I'm guessing they both stinking it up in practice.

Bud is going to need Brand and Muscula in Friday's game against DET. It's not a guaranteed Josh will start at PF so they may go with their Smith/Monroe/Drummond lineup.

[Hawk Eye]

I feel like Payne would do a heck of a job rebounding and attacking the glass for us but i don't think Bud will ever give him playing time unless as a unit we become severely injured.

[djjob23]

We could wait and attempt to sign RFA Enes Kanter next offseason, but I've Gorgui Dieng on my radar for a while now. How about:

Horford / Antic for Dieng / Young / 1st


I also have Meyers Leonard and Spencer Hawes on my radar.

[Hawk Eye]

What about Greg Monroe? How would trade talks work "legal wise" since he took the QO this summer?

[D21]

...Some strange reason Bud gives extended minutes to Antic over Brand and Muscula but that's another issue. I'm guessing they both stinking it up in practice...

It's simple : at this moment, with Horford not at 100% and with just a few games played, the team is his best with Antic. Sad but true. He makes some ugly plays, doesn't rebound, but he creates mismatch problems.
He has the best +/- by far since the beginning of the season, even if he was in negative on the last three games.

The main problem IMO, is that he should be used as an option, depending on opponent, but not on the same regular basis like a primary option. We have to test other player like Payne.

I feel like Payne would do a heck of a job rebounding and attacking the glass for us but i don't think Bud will ever give him playing time unless as a unit we become severely injured.

It would be interesting to at least try him now, instead of discovering at the end of the season that he can rebound more than other players.

What about Greg Monroe? How would trade talks work "legal wise" since he took the QO this summer?

He can't be traded without his consent, and if traded, he loses his bird rights, so we would be able to offer 4.5% raise like any other team next summer, and use cap room to sign him (would not be consider like our own F.A.)

[simon24]

...Some strange reason Bud gives extended minutes to Antic over Brand and Muscula but that's another issue. I'm guessing they both stinking it up in practice...

It's simple : at this moment, with Horford not at 100% and with just a few games played, the team is his best with Antic. Sad but true. He makes some ugly plays, doesn't rebound, but he creates mismatch problems.
He has the best +/- by far since the beginning of the season, even if he was in negative on the last three games.

The main problem IMO, is that he should be used as an option, depending on opponent, but not on the same regular basis like a primary option. We have to test other player like Payne.

I feel like Payne would do a heck of a job rebounding and attacking the glass for us but i don't think Bud will ever give him playing time unless as a unit we become severely injured.

It would be interesting to at least try him now, instead of discovering at the end of the season that he can rebound more than other players.

What about Greg Monroe? How would trade talks work "legal wise" since he took the QO this summer?

He can't be traded without his consent, and if traded, he loses his bird rights, so we would be able to offer 4.5% raise like any other team next summer, and use cap room to sign him (would not be consider like our own F.A.)

Yeah I've seen those numbers about Antic. I believe it showed he was an underrated post defender. They're going to get tested Friday with the big DET front court.

[Jamaaliver]

I would be willing to trade Horford, .50c to the dollar for a 10rpg center...... maybe Horford for Mason Plumlee

Got damn man, your really ready to move on.

...... how about Horford for Gorgui Dieng..... his PER36 has him at 14/13

It's worth noting that Horford's Per36 avg have him with 16/8 with a comparable def rating and Wins Share as Gorgui.

I really like Gorgui Dieng, but don't think he and Millsap paired make us much better or tougher up front. I'd love to get Dieng and a healthy Horford paired together. THAT would be a matchup that could give fits in the playoffs when the game slows down.

Horford will get better. The last time he came back from this injury, he caught fire in February and was unstoppable.

Dieng is indeed a worthy trade target. But to complement AL. Not replace him.

[atlantabbq99]

Got damn man, your really ready to move on.

...... how about Horford for Gorgui Dieng..... his PER36 has him at 14/13

It's worth noting that Horford's Per36 avg have him with 16/8 with a comparable def rating and Wins Share as Gorgui.

I really like Gorgui Dieng, but don't think he and Millsap paired make us much better or tougher up front. I'd love to get Dieng and a healthy Horford paired together. THAT would be a matchup that could give fits in the playoffs when the game slows down.

Horford will get better. The last time he came back from this injury, he caught fire in February and was unstoppable.

Dieng is indeed a worthy trade target. But to complement AL. Not replace him.

I think you have to accept the fact that it has nothing to do with Horford's "health", and it all has to do with Horford's "decline"

[Jamaaliver]

I think you have to accept the fact that it has nothing to do with Horford's "health", and it all has to do with Horford's "decline"

Decline?

At age 28? After 11 games?

Less than a year after the best production of his career?

I would respectfully disagree. Two weeks ago you posited that Millsap might need to go to the bench similar to Manu after a rough 5 game stretch to start the season. A week later he's playing some of the best ball of his life.

I would simply preach patience regarding AL. The guy went 10 months without playing organized team ball. He's only been back a handful of weeks.

One point brought up here that is very telling: Horford has now changed his workout regimen. Eliminating the bench press from his daily workout. This will inevitably lead to less upper body strength and a smaller AL . With him already an undersized Center who struggles against the big 5s in the league, this could absolutely be an issue going forward.

I agree with the overall point that we need a Center. A point I have been stating repeatedly for years.