Jeff Green rant

[airjaw]

Ok, I really don't like Jeff Green, but my hatred for him notwithstanding, what is up with Jeff Green standing in the corner all the time?

Let me describe the typical Jeff Green touch on offense.

Jeff Green in corner.
Jeff Green is passed the ball.
Jeff Green holds it for half a second.
Jeff Green passes the ball back, with no move to the basket, pump fake, or any indication that he is alive.

I'm really struggling to understand what exactly Jeff Green's role is in the offense. He doesn't set picks. He doesn't cut. He doesn't handle the ball. He rarely shoots.

The only times Jeff is involved at all is when he has a favorable matchup. And even then his slow, awkward, clumsy footwork takes away much of any advantage he has. He doesn't have any post moves. He's not a great shooter. He's not faster than his defender most of the time. He looks like a 34-year old Paul Pierce, without the talent or drive.

From what I can see, when Jeff Green is doing his corner 'catch the ball and pass it back' thing, he's actually hurting the offense. He's a non-factor and hurts his team as his passivity loses the team offensive opportunities. Ok, the obvious aside, the baffling thing is why the team allows him to get away with this passive behavior? Why doesn't someone coach him how to play or give him a different role?

Jeff Green currently is not a skilled player. He is athletic and may wow with a dunk every now and then but he doesn't know how to play the game. All signs indicate to him not "getting it". He can't be traded fast enough.

EDIT:: actually I'm not sure if he should be traded now, as his stock is probably at an all-time low. If we're trying to win games he shouldn't be playing though. Maybe he should be sent to the D-League where he can learn how to play. I'm not even joking. He doesn't know how to play basketball. He needs another 1-2 years of learning.

[Bad-Thoma]

So he didn't get your all-star vote?

[PapaIrish]

I feel like him and Terry are in the same boat. They aren't having any offense run for them and they really don't look sure of what they want to do on offense, most of the time they just end up floating doing nothing. When they do get the ball, they look timid, like someone told them it's not their turn to shoot yet. Overall it's quite frustrating.

One solution I've been hoping Doc would input to make them both more comfortable and help the 2nd units offense in general, is running a pick and role with JT and Green similar to how the Mavs would kill teams using the Dirk and JT pick and role. Would force them into being a part of the offense and increase their comfort level IMO. I think just forcing Green to be a part of the offense would benefit him and the team greatly.

We've seen what Green's capable of doing, I think the challenge now is to find a way to get consistent productivity from him. The only other solution I've really thought about would be to start Green over Pierce, but for SOO many reasons I don't think it will happen or is a plausible solution.

[ermocrate]

I'm gonna say this is PMS, all time complaining about Green even when your SStar shot 3/6789 from the field... The top of the creativity and of the BBall nonsense is to claim Jeff mostly standing in the corner is his fault, yes he draws the plays with Doc...

[Rondo2Hondo]

I'm gonna say this is PMS, all time complaining about Green even when your SStar shot 3/6789 from the field... The top of the creativity and of the BBall nonsense is to claim Jeff mostly standing in the corner is his fault, yes he draws the plays with Doc...

He needs to step outside of the offense and go ham occasionally. We have such a boring and predictable offense.

[ermocrate]

I'm gonna say this is PMS, all time complaining about Green even when your SStar shot 3/6789 from the field... The top of the creativity and of the BBall nonsense is to claim Jeff mostly standing in the corner is his fault, yes he draws the plays with Doc...

He needs to step outside of the offense and go ham occasionally. We have such a boring and predictable offense.

We have to play more motion offense, especially when Rondo, Lee, Green, Bass and (eventually) Wilcox are on the floor, theese are the guys more damaged from our static offense... When did Green would be one relevant option in the team for the tough shot(Doc has to decide this) then he can start to work on ìhis static 1vs1 DURING THE GAMES...

Sincerely remains a mistery to me the reason why Doc uses uptempo and movement of the ball at this poor rate....

[Red2]

doc was not happy with green last night. late in the game he yanked him for bass and you could see doc telling green that he was not where he was supposed to be.

[ermocrate]

doc was not happy with green last night. late in the game he yanked him for bass and you could see doc telling green that he was not where he was supposed to be.

He got to stop talking and start acting...

[Celts17Pride]

I'm gonna say this is PMS, all time complaining about Green even when your SStar shot 3/6789 from the field... The top of the creativity and of the BBall nonsense is to claim Jeff mostly standing in the corner is his fault, yes he draws the plays with Doc...

You don't get it. Part of the reason Pierce is playing like crap is because the Celtics have to play him all the time because they have no other option. The whole game plan was for Jeff Green to take the heavy load off of Pierce and gradually replace him in the starting lineup and move Pierce to a 6th man role. Think Avery Bradley and Ray Allen last year. Pierce is 36 years old.

The problem is Jeff Green sucks. People can make all the excuses they want for Green but the bottomline is he is not getting it done. Last night he played 19 minutes with 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks. Doc Rivers had no choice put to keep playing Pierce. Jeff Green is killing the Celtics in more ways than one.

[ermocrate]

I'm gonna say this is PMS, all time complaining about Green even when your SStar shot 3/6789 from the field... The top of the creativity and of the BBall nonsense is to claim Jeff mostly standing in the corner is his fault, yes he draws the plays with Doc...

You don't get it. Part of the reason Pierce is playing like crap is because the Celtics have to play him all the time because they have no other option. The whole game plan was for Jeff Green to take the heavy load off of Pierce and gradually replace him in the starting lineup and move Pierce to a 6th man role. Think Avery Bradley and Ray Allen last year. Pierce is 36 years old.

The problem is Jeff Green sucks. People can make all the excuses they want for Green but the bottomline is he is not getting it done. Last night he played 19 minutes with 2 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks. Doc Rivers had no choice put to keep playing Pierce. Jeff Green is killing the Celtics in more ways than one.

Green doesn't play like Pierce, he is a different player, but plays for his are nowhere to be seen, nowhere... He has the same role on the team than a 14 minutes sub-par player that has to shot 2-3 jumpers while the SStar starter rests. Green is not that type of player, or you threat him like a co-starter or it's a complete waste of talent. It's not that when you need him he has to be a Star and when you don't need he plays 10 minutes, such players are rare, very rare.

[Celts17Pride]

Green doesn't play like Pierce, he is a different player, but plays for his are nowhere to be seen, nowhere... He has the same role on the team than a 14 minutes sub-par player that has to shot 2-3 jumpers while the SStar starter rests. Green is not that type of player, or you threat him like a co-starter or it's a complete waste of talent. It's not that when you need him he has to be a Star and when you don't need he plays 10 minutes, such players are rare, very rare.

Didn't seem to keep Avery Bradley from being productive when he played behind Ray Allen in limited minutes and then pushed Ray Allen to the bench. Just another excuse for Jeff Green. The Celtics have been waiting for Jeff Green to be productive and push Paul Pierce to the bench. It just isn't happening.

I never get this theory of Jeff Green sucks so the problem is Doc Rivers is not running enough plays for him. Makes no sense IMO. Jeff Green has to go out and get it. Right now he is showing no interest that he wants to do that.

[ermocrate]

Green doesn't play like Pierce, he is a different player, but plays for his are nowhere to be seen, nowhere... He has the same role on the team than a 14 minutes sub-par player that has to shot 2-3 jumpers while the SStar starter rests. Green is not that type of player, or you threat him like a co-starter or it's a complete waste of talent. It's not that when you need him he has to be a Star and when you don't need he plays 10 minutes, such players are rare, very rare.

Didn't seem to keep Avery Bradley from being productive when he played behind Ray Allen in limited minutes and then pushed Ray Allen to the bench. Just another excuse for Jeff Green. The Celtics have been waiting for Jeff Green to be productive and push Paul Pierce to the bench. It just isn't happening.

I never get this theory of Jeff Green sucks so the problem is Doc Rivers is not running enough plays for him. Makes no sense IMO. Jeff Green has to go out and get it. Right now he is showing no interest that he wants to do that.

1st Bradley was 20yo

2nd Didn't flourish until Ray got injured, never ever pushed Ray on the bench when Ray was playing and healty

3rd He had several months to put up a decent jumpshot, with Ray teaching him


Jeff Green is a 4 years NBA player, his numbers and game are written in the stone, so let's not pretend he is a19 rookie with potential that hasn't shown anything in the NBA, ok? This just an embarrassment for people head.


And, he is coming of a full year off and a open heart surgery.

[Rondo2Hondo]

Green and Pierce are completely different players. Pierce could probably thrive in any system, Green needs a system that suits his skills. We are not providing that. We need to get him more involved, and to run more. Our offense is stale - I feel like I could go out there and shout instructions to the opposing team and help them out.

[Rondo2Hondo]

Doc isn't going to change though. Coaches don't change their offense in season ,but by next season it will be too late. KG and Pierce will be too old to lead us anywhere next year

[Turgon]

Just the other day I was sort of defending his contract on the GB and, right on cue, Green pulls two disappearing acts on two straight games. Typical...