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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Godmoney on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:27 am

Green is kind of nice off the bench. Remember, this is a guy who vanishes if he plays with guys who are more assertive than him. It makes a lot of sense to me to put him on a unit where he is more of a focal point than to play him on the starting unit where he is a tertiary player.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby ermocrate on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:50 am

Godmoney wrote:Green is kind of nice off the bench. Remember, this is a guy who vanishes if he plays with guys who are more assertive than him. It makes a lot of sense to me to put him on a unit where he is more of a focal point than to play him on the starting unit where he is a tertiary player.

I don't think we have low personality players, since he make up his mind to be aggressive, nobody is gonne take his shots away from him, I've seen multiple times give instructions to his teammates and eve yell in this last 15 games...
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby AgentGreen on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:56 am

Godmoney wrote:Green is kind of nice off the bench. Remember, this is a guy who vanishes if he plays with guys who are more assertive than him. It makes a lot of sense to me to put him on a unit where he is more of a focal point than to play him on the starting unit where he is a tertiary player.


Did you see how he played defense on Lebron a few weeks ago, and how he dunked on Bosh? He played a great game against the Heat starting 5.

With this theory Bass shouldnt be our starter at all, heck he should be our waterboy then.

Our starter at 4 should be Green of Wilcox, not Bass.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Godmoney on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:04 am

Ok. If you guys think that Jeff Green is an all-star now, that's your opinion. This is a guy who has terrible for the entire time he has been a Celtic up until literally the day Rondo went down about three weeks ago. If he is in a position where he is having success, I'd say leave him in it rather than mess with what is working. Bass is what he is, you kick it to him for jumpers he has no upside that he isn't reaching or anything. He obviously isn't as good as Green but I just want Green to be in a position to succeed. And yes I did see Green on LeBron I was in the building for it. I thought he played well too, but why don't you go take a look at LeBron's stat line from that game to refresh your memory about exactly how effective he really was.

Additionally, the Jeff Green at the 4 thing has been tried over and over again in the NBA. We have maybe 100s of games of evidence that it doesn't work. He can't defend the position or rebound. His primary benefit is supposed to be that he will be limiting Pierce's minutes at the 3 not switching to an entirely different position. What matters is if he play well enough to close games when they matter.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Berkcelt on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:11 am

Green can match up with some guys at the 4, and given our lack of any quality bigs, he'll probably get time there whether he matches up or not. Looks like a heavier dose of small ball is in the offing. But he's not going to get Luis Scola on the last place Suns the day after the trade deadline (and as much as I loved that game, I have a feeling some guys were high on life at not being traded) every game. I can't see starting him even though it is tempting.

I do really like how Jeff is playing. I don't really have a lot of expectations for his offense right now; I just hope he keeps up the stellar defense.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby ermocrate on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:15 am

Godmoney wrote:Ok. If you guys think that Jeff Green is an all-star now, that's your opinion. This is a guy who has terrible for the entire time he has been a Celtic up until literally the day Rondo went down about three weeks ago. If he is in a position where he is having success, I'd say leave him in it rather than mess with what is working. Bass is what he is, you kick it to him for jumpers he has no upside that he isn't reaching or anything. He obviously isn't as good as Green but I just want Green to be in a position to succeed. And yes I did see Green on LeBron I was in the building for it. I thought he played well too, but why don't you go take a look at LeBron's stat line from that game to refresh your memory about exactly how effective he really was.

Additionally, the Jeff Green at the 4 thing has been tried over and over again in the NBA. We have maybe 100s of games of evidence that it doesn't work. He can't defend the position or rebound. His primary benefit is supposed to be that he will be limiting Pierce's minutes at the 3 not switching to an entirely different position. What matters is if he play well enough to close games when they matter.

False and his defense on LeBron was amazing, LBJ made most of his buckets with someone else guarding him.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby exculpatory on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:18 am

Godmoney wrote:Ok. If you guys think that Jeff Green is an all-star now, that's your opinion. This is a guy who has terrible for the entire time he has been a Celtic up until literally the day Rondo went down about three weeks ago. If he is in a position where he is having success, I'd say leave him in it rather than mess with what is working. Bass is what he is, you kick it to him for jumpers he has no upside that he isn't reaching or anything. He obviously isn't as good as Green but I just want Green to be in a position to succeed. And yes I did see Green on LeBron I was in the building for it. I thought he played well too, but why don't you go take a look at LeBron's stat line from that game to refresh your memory about exactly how effective he really was.

Additionally, the Jeff Green at the 4 thing has been tried over and over again in the NBA. We have maybe 100s of games of evidence that it doesn't work. He can't defend the position or rebound. His primary benefit is supposed to be that he will be limiting Pierce's minutes at the 3 not switching to an entirely different position. What matters is if he play well enough to close games when they matter.


Agree. Play with second unit at the 3 mostly - hopefully he will continue to assert himself. Occasionally at the 4 together w Truth.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby AgentGreen on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:21 am

ermocrate wrote:
Godmoney wrote:Ok. If you guys think that Jeff Green is an all-star now, that's your opinion. This is a guy who has terrible for the entire time he has been a Celtic up until literally the day Rondo went down about three weeks ago. If he is in a position where he is having success, I'd say leave him in it rather than mess with what is working. Bass is what he is, you kick it to him for jumpers he has no upside that he isn't reaching or anything. He obviously isn't as good as Green but I just want Green to be in a position to succeed. And yes I did see Green on LeBron I was in the building for it. I thought he played well too, but why don't you go take a look at LeBron's stat line from that game to refresh your memory about exactly how effective he really was.

Additionally, the Jeff Green at the 4 thing has been tried over and over again in the NBA. We have maybe 100s of games of evidence that it doesn't work. He can't defend the position or rebound. His primary benefit is supposed to be that he will be limiting Pierce's minutes at the 3 not switching to an entirely different position. What matters is if he play well enough to close games when they matter.

False and his defense on LeBron was amazing, LBJ made most of his buckets with someone else guarding him.


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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Godmoney on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:30 am

I know you think you can just say things and they become true, but it actually takes me about 10 seconds to bring up the game log and see that LeBron scored 12 points in the 4th/OTs with Jeff Green on him. I said I agree that Jeff made him work. Not sure why I'm even being grilled on that statement. Also how has Jeff Green not been terrible since the Rondo injury? You both actually think he was having a good season?
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Ben-N1ce on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:40 am

Godmoney wrote:I know you think you can just say things and they become true, but it actually takes me about 10 seconds to bring up the game log and see that LeBron scored 12 points in the 4th/OTs with Jeff Green on him. I said I agree that Jeff made him work. Not sure why I'm even being grilled on that statement. Also how has Jeff Green not been terrible since the Rondo injury? You both actually think he was having a good season?


http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/ ... bron-james

The final tally for Green defending James: 3-for-11 shooting (27.3 percent) with one foul and a total of nine points allowed. Given that James averages around a point per possession this season, limiting him to nine points on 12 possessions is a stellar afternoon for Green. But maybe we shouldn't be surprised.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Bosceltics on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:05 pm

I say why not. Might as well give it a shot no?
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby WhateverBro on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:06 pm

Godmoney wrote:I know you think you can just say things and they become true, but it actually takes me about 10 seconds to bring up the game log and see that LeBron scored 12 points in the 4th/OTs with Jeff Green on him. I said I agree that Jeff made him work. Not sure why I'm even being grilled on that statement. Also how has Jeff Green not been terrible since the Rondo injury? You both actually think he was having a good season?


What? Anyway, Green has had a good season so far nomatter how you spin it. Yes he started slow, understandable considering he hadn't played ball for a year. But his overall production this year has exceeded my expectations for him, I mean just look at the numbers;

10.9 ppg (55.8 TS%), 3.4 rpg, 1.1 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.8 bpg and 1.4 topg in just 25.2 mpg.

That's ~ 15, 5, 2, 1, 1 on above average scoring efficiency per 36 mins.

I have no clue what more people expected, his overall production this year has been good and the best part is that he's improving after starting slow. I would've been worried if he went the other way but the fact that he's looking better out there for every game and better as his role grows, makes me optimistic about his future.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Bosceltics on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:40 pm

Lets stop hating on Jeff Green
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby Valid on Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:05 pm

Godmoney wrote:Green is kind of nice off the bench. Remember, this is a guy who vanishes if he plays with guys who are more assertive than him. It makes a lot of sense to me to put him on a unit where he is more of a focal point than to play him on the starting unit where he is a tertiary player.

He is "kind of" nice off the bench? I can assure you that every single team in the league would LOVE to have Green coming off the bench.

Some of you guys have a weird personal vendetta against this kid and can't admit you were wrong about him. He is a damn good player.
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Re: Start Green at PF!

Postby sam_I_am on Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:30 pm

Per 48

Green 21 ppg on 16 shots, 6.5 reb, 2.5 apg. 8 million per year
Gay 23 ppg on 22 shots, 7.9 reb, 3.3 apg. 17 million per year
Pierce 25 on 21, 9, 6, 16 million

I think he stacks up pretty well. Obviously his game would suffer if he was # 1 option without PP.

I think he is almost as good as Rudy Gay and getting better as the season goes on. Perkins trade looking like a steal.
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