Official Trade Thread

[UConn celt]

I've seen Derrick Williams mentioned as the main piece in a deal for Varejao. Get Boston involved and Minny can throw Cleveland Melo and Boston's pick, as well...

I'm just having a hard time believing Boston has enough for both Love & Williams, and that Minny wants Bass. Yes, Williams is a pain, but he's the #2 pick from 2011, so should still has some good value.

Here's what I can see:

Boston deals - Green (8.1), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Melo (1.25), Barbosa (1.2), Collins (1.35) & 2014 pick (Total = $18.25 million)
Boston gets - Love (13.5), Barea (4.5), Josh Howard (1.3) (Total $19.3)

Minny deals - Love (13.5), Williams (4.95), Barea (4.5), Howard (1.3) (Total $24.25)
Minny gets - Green (8.1), Varejao (8.4), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Collins (1.35) (Total $24.15)

Cleveland deals - Varejao (8.4)
Cleveland gets - D. Williams (4.95), Melo (1.25), Boston 2014 pick, Barbosa (1.25) (Total $7.45)

Boston Rotation:
KG, Wilcox
Love, Bass
Pierce, Howard
Bradley, Terry
Rondo, Barea

Minny Rotation:
Pekovic, Steamer
Varejao, Sully
AK, Green
Shved, Lee
Rubio, Ridnour

Good trade but not sure it's enough for Cleveland. They like Williams but its not like hes proven anything to this point. They might just be trading a good player for a bust and scraps

[tfmiii]

Yeah I could totally understand Minny being open to moving Williams and in turn Williams wanting to be dealt.

the way I see it, Adelman is not getting any younger, he has definite notions of the type of players he wants on his team and is not going to soldier on with players he does not see fitting regardless of where Kahn drafted them.

That can be said of Williams but likely Love as well. Adelman does not have the time or ability to reverse all the damage Kahn/Tayler have wrought, that is water under the bridge. He has a system and he wants players who will fit that system. So if he can flip an asset to bring in the players he wants then he will do so, regardless of 'appearances.'

I have a lot of respect for Adelman, the man should have a ring (stolen from him and Sacto in that infamous game six). He apparently has definite opinions of what his team needs and what can be sacrificed to obtain those needs. Far be if from me to doubt his vision. But I believe trades can result in a win-win, and if this goes down then i would expect it would be an example of such.

[tfmiii]

Here's what I can see:

Boston deals - Green (8.1), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Melo (1.25), Barbosa (1.2), Collins (1.35) & 2014 pick (Total = $18.25 million)
Boston gets - Love (13.5), Barea (4.5), Josh Howard (1.3) (Total $19.3)

Minny deals - Love (13.5), Williams (4.95), Barea (4.5), Howard (1.3) (Total $24.25)
Minny gets - Green (8.1), Varejao (8.4), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Collins (1.35) (Total $24.15)

Cleveland deals - Varejao (8.4)
Cleveland gets - D. Williams (4.95), Melo (1.25), Boston 2014 pick, Barbosa (1.25) (Total $7.45)

Love the deal from Boston's perspective, but Howard can't be dealt until Feb 15th... at some point you have to worry about allowing for the team to gel prior to playoffs

[pfm]

Here's what I can see:

Boston deals - Green (8.1), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Melo (1.25), Barbosa (1.2), Collins (1.35) & 2014 pick (Total = $18.25 million)
Boston gets - Love (13.5), Barea (4.5), Josh Howard (1.3) (Total $19.3)

Minny deals - Love (13.5), Williams (4.95), Barea (4.5), Howard (1.3) (Total $24.25)
Minny gets - Green (8.1), Varejao (8.4), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Collins (1.35) (Total $24.15)

Cleveland deals - Varejao (8.4)
Cleveland gets - D. Williams (4.95), Melo (1.25), Boston 2014 pick, Barbosa (1.25) (Total $7.45)

Love the deal from Boston's perspective, but Howard can't be dealt until Feb 15th... at some point you have to worry about allowing for the team to gel prior to playoffs

Maybe swap Howard with Budinger?

[Pogue Mahone]

1. My friend is in his sixties. He is not a "basketball guy" in the strictest sense but he has been known to arrange things and fix situations. Think Bret Bearup, though clearly not having that kind of pull and mostly done at a smaller level.

2. Unfortunately, he and I have not watched a game together since Seattle's Key Arena. I sat up behind the bench for a **** ton of Sonics games in the 90s at Seattle Center, Tacoma Dome and then later at KeyArena. I didn't pay a cent. He arranged for that to happen.

3. Assistants in this league have the coaches ear and know what coaches think.

4. I haven't been to Portland since my cousin's judo tournament in 2001. I have been to the Seattle-area a half dozen times, however, as I have ties in Puyallup, Everett, Federal Way, Bremerton and Vancouver (WA).

5. It was me assuming Bass. Otherwise, I know the money won't work. So, there is that hurdle. Additionally, from a value standpoint, if the deal was to go through, Boston would be buying at a discount (even counting two 1st RD'ers that I assumed) because a.) the player is somewhat disgruntled because of what he deems as unprofessional behavior by the front office and ownership, b.) his team, particularly the owner, thinks he is attempting to poison the team/be a **** -house lawyer, and c.) because of the past of GM and coach, GM is attempting to give the coach everything he desires.

The final tally from Boston's side would be something similar to this:

Green
Lee
Sullinger
Bass (could be the holdup but his salary is needed)
$3M
Two 1st RD'ers (because of the value needed. Might cost more if no team wants Bass, again me assuming)

[ddb]

It's gotta be Love and Derrick Williams.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I've seen Derrick Williams mentioned as the main piece in a deal for Varejao. Get Boston involved and Minny can throw Cleveland Melo and Boston's pick, as well...

I'm just having a hard time believing Boston has enough for both Love & Williams, and that Minny wants Bass. Yes, Williams is a pain, but he's the #2 pick from 2011, so should still has some good value.

Here's what I can see:

Boston deals - Green (8.1), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Melo (1.25), Barbosa (1.2), Collins (1.35) & 2014 pick (Total = $18.25 million)
Boston gets - Love (13.5), Barea (4.5), Josh Howard (1.3) (Total $19.3)

Minny deals - Love (13.5), Williams (4.95), Barea (4.5), Howard (1.3) (Total $24.25)
Minny gets - Green (8.1), Varejao (8.4), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Collins (1.35) (Total $24.15)

Cleveland deals - Varejao (8.4)
Cleveland gets - D. Williams (4.95), Melo (1.25), Boston 2014 pick, Barbosa (1.25) (Total $7.45)

Boston Rotation:
KG, Wilcox
Love, Bass
Pierce, Howard
Bradley, Terry
Rondo, Barea

Minny Rotation:
Pekovic, Steamer
Varejao, Sully
AK, Green
Shved, Lee
Rubio, Ridnour

Good trade but not sure it's enough for Cleveland. They like Williams but its not like hes proven anything to this point. They might just be trading a good player for a bust and scraps

Yes, it's a gamble. Minny might have to throw in their pick, as well. I've seen Cleveland wants to stockpile young assets, so they'll have 4 in such a trade, if MN throws in their 2014 pick.

[pfm]

Finding a suitor that will swap Bass for an expiring definitely seems logical to match up salaries in this trade or in other potential trades for a big.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Here's what I can see:

Boston deals - Green (8.1), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Melo (1.25), Barbosa (1.2), Collins (1.35) & 2014 pick (Total = $18.25 million)
Boston gets - Love (13.5), Barea (4.5), Josh Howard (1.3) (Total $19.3)

Minny deals - Love (13.5), Williams (4.95), Barea (4.5), Howard (1.3) (Total $24.25)
Minny gets - Green (8.1), Varejao (8.4), Lee (5), Sully (1.3), Collins (1.35) (Total $24.15)

Cleveland deals - Varejao (8.4)
Cleveland gets - D. Williams (4.95), Melo (1.25), Boston 2014 pick, Barbosa (1.25) (Total $7.45)

Love the deal from Boston's perspective, but Howard can't be dealt until Feb 15th... at some point you have to worry about allowing for the team to gel prior to playoffs

Didn't know that. Howard's not an essential part, so perhaps Boston gets a sf elsewhere, as they can't heavily rely on Pierce @ the 3..

[jirrit]

Why don't you just tell? Or say if it's been said in this topic?

[Pogue Mahone]

Why don't you just tell? Or say if it's been said in this topic?

It has already been mentioned but the mid-priced veteran, as I understand it, is the wrong one.

[UConn celt]

Ridnour not Barea?

[ddb]

Wolves could be sending retired Spreewell and Cassell to us if it means we also get Love.

[djFan71]

2. Unfortunately, he and I have not watched a game together since Seattle's Key Arena. I sat up behind the bench for a **** ton of Sonics games in the 90s at Seattle Center, Tacoma Dome and then later at KeyArena. I didn't pay a cent. He arranged for that to happen.

I've lived in Seattle for almost 20 years now. Those early-mid 90s Sonics teams were a blast to watch. Payton & Kemp for sure, but really everyone - Nate, Det, Big Smooth, Michael Cage, Vincent Askew. I still boycott Starbucks since Howard sold them away to OKC. Not too hard to find better coffee here anyways...

[Waider]

Why don't you just tell? Or say if it's been said in this topic?

It has already been mentioned but the mid-priced veteran, as I understand it, is the wrong one.

If it is the Wolves I hope the mid-priced vet isn't Brandon Roy, if it was 2009 Brandon Roy, but not the 2012 version.

[greenbeans]

Pogue ol buddy ol pal, just spill the damn beans already. How about some of my finest pencil shavings in exchange for your knowledge, deal?

[greenbeans]

Pogue's time in Seattle would appear to coincide with George Karl's. Javale as the fringe all-star?

[Pogue Mahone]

Why don't you just tell? Or say if it's been said in this topic?

It has already been mentioned but the mid-priced veteran, as I understand it, is the wrong one.

If it is the Wolves I hope the mid-priced vet isn't Brandon Roy, if it was 2009 Brandon Roy, but not the 2012 version.

As I understand it, they want cash to pay most of what is remaining for this year on Roy. Minny has protection in year 2 with an injury clause according to Storyteller.

2013-14 is currently guaranteed but might become non-guaranteed if certain health issues arise / Signed 7/31/12 for an assumed $10,429,500 for 2 years

So, since the cat is out of the bag, here is how I understand it:

Green
Lee
Bass (going somewhere, don't know where, but deal doesn't work without him*)
Sullinger
Two 1st RD Picks (assuming because of time left on contracts and the going rate of stars is generally two 1st RD picks)
$3M

for

Love
Williams
Ridnour

*Maybe Boston doesn't want Williams and he would be combined with Bass? I have no idea, really, just attempting to figure out how this would reasonably work.

Back when the KG deal appeared to be dead, my friend did tell me about a possible SEA-BOS deal but he had it wrong. He was led to believe it was Rashard Lewis, not Ray Allen, that was coming to Boston but the price would have been Jefferson and Ratliff's contract with Boston retaining the #5 overall.

The point being, he knew BOS and SEA were talking back then. I tried to search for the post I made back then on this board but I can't find it as of yet.

[humblebum]

Personally I am not in love with this idea. Kevin Love is an interesting guy but he's not a rim protector and he can't matchup with Bron at PF which is a problem because you lose Green/Lee/Bass who are all guys you would look to throw at James. It leaves you awfully thin behind Bradley and Pierce defensively as Williams is raw and unproven.

Not sure you're better off in the long run either by giving up those picks on a team that's going to be cash strapped.

[klemen4]

Finally Pogue, dont know why did you not say in the start

It is to good to be true no doubt

For me I would have no problem adding Bradley to that package to get Love and still imo it would not be enough.

I also think between Barea and Ridnour MIN would prefer to keep Ridnour not Barea. Now adding Williams, this makes even less sense.

Just to good to be true, but thanks for info Pogue...you sure gave us hope to dream