Revote: Where is Evan Turner best Positioned at?

[sully00]

Except Iguodala is an elite defender and Turner is...not.

Sorry, but I can't get down with the Turner/Iguodala comparison at all. Iguodala has great value as a defensive stopper alone, and his perimeter jumper is at least bearable. Sure, the book on Iguodala is that he can't shoot, but he has a career TS% of 55.1 percent. Turner's is 48.5 percent.

I personally think some of the excuses being made for Turner are ridiculous.

"He was on a bad team."

"He was in a bad system."

"He was in a bad locker room."

"He was playing with someone who had the same skillset."

The fact of the matter is that if Turner were any good in his first four seasons, none of that should have mattered. Would it have hindered his performance a bit? Sure, but not enough to post the kinds of paltry efficiency numbers he did, and as far as I'm concerned, the system and Iguodala should have had no ill effects on his defense at all. As a matter of fact, Iggy's presence should have helped him defensively.

I'm really rooting for the dude because he has an incredible and heartbreaking life story, but I'm just calling it how I see it. He has not been a good NBA player thus far in his career regardless of all of the extenuating circumstances everyone keeps coming up with here to excuse his poor production.

Iguodala an elite defender now? Explain his game now. For real this conversation is a clown show. Iggy goes to two other teams and is a statistical joke but that doesn't matter Turner had to be better then him in a crap role. How is Iggy a good player now if Turner has never been a good player? It isn't that the guy is Lebron or anything but the fact that it hasn't come easy means he is crap I am sorry that means we need to look in mirror pretty hard about the other guys on the roster.

Sorry, but when hasn't Iguodala been an elite defender? I mean, are you serious with this?

And Iguodala has been a statistical joke? Really? Do you even look at stats before you post stuff like this?

Iggy had a TS% of 57 percent and an eFG% of 54.8 percent last season. He even shot a respectable 35.4 percent from three while shooting a solid 48 percent from the floor.

Defensively, teams averaged 99 points per 100 possessions with Iguodala on the court and 106 with him off the court.

I'm not even a huge Iguodala fan (never have been), but let's call a spade a spade here.

I also don't know why you keep bringing up "other guys on the roster" because that has nothing to do with Turner as an individual player, but if you want to go that route, fine. Jared Sullinger is entering his third year and could make a big leap at the age of 22. Kelly Olynyk was awesome in the second half of last season and is going into his sophomore campaign. Marcus Smart and James Young are extremely talented rookies.

Likening Turner to a lot of the guys on this roster just isn't fair.

Your acting like Turner is 30.

If your can read you would understand I said

"I don't think Turner is quite as good as Iguodala but in 3/4 of a season he did a pretty good impression when he got a hold of that role."

As importantly is that Iguodala in 63 games as a starter in Golden State put up roughly the some production and per 36's as Turner did in IND he is just making 12 mil a season on a 4 year deal. Now that is only getting worse as Iggy is likely going to the bench making 12 mil a year and scoring 9 ppg he is overrated as a defender and is approaching Gerald Wallace production.. The difference between Iggy and Turner hasn't really been on the defensive end it is on the offensive end. Not that Iggy is a great offensive player plenty of poor 3 pt shooting years when it didn't stop him from gunning away and plenty of high turnover years and bad FT shooting but his team played pretty well with him on the floor and a lot of the offense running through him.

Turner has not performed very well offensively and his team hasn't performed well offensively. `That said he hasn't really been in a position for that to be the case. Does that happen in Boston maybe maybe not. But there has just been a big difference between the opportunity that Iggy has had in his career and what Turner has had. Sometimes there is a very good reason for that and that we shall see.

[sully00]

Iguodala an elite defender now?

It's weird when a Celtic fan of all the teams fans swings and misses re: defense.

I don't relate a 105 DRTG with elite defense. But your so smart you can explain it.

[FakeScreenName123]

105 DRTG

that's not a thing.

if you're comparing a stat to another stat (turner's sixers DRTG) then you have to take in account the skewed variables (playing on a terrible team, playing in the east, playing in the atlantic, amount of playing time, accounting for role on defense, matchups). All those things are checkmarks in iggy's favor. Comparing those two stats isnt an authentic argument. Stats are dumb. They're awesome; but dumb. Watch a game without bias and you're wrong. You're entitled to have the opinion that Evan Turner is a better defender than Andre Igoudala - you're just wrong. Salary is a totally different argument.

[sully00]

105 DRTG

that's not a thing.

if you're comparing a stat to another stat (turner's sixers DRTG) then you have to take in account the skewed variables (playing on a terrible team, playing in the east, playing in the atlantic, amount of playing time, accounting for role on defense, matchups). All those things are checkmarks in iggy's favor. Comparing those two stats isnt an authentic argument. Stats are dumb. They're awesome; but dumb. Watch a game without bias and you're wrong. You're entitled to have the opinion that Evan Turner is a better defender than Andre Igoudala - you're just wrong.

I am not comparing Turner to Iggy as defender what is wrong with you? Take and remedial reading class c'mon.

"Lets talk stats unless the stats aren't going to agree me "

I never said Evan Turner was an elite defender.

I said Iguodala wasn't one. I can find a ton of times where people refer to Andre Iguodala as an elite defender and he isn't. Saying he is better than Turner doesn't make Iggy and elite defender.

My points in this where about opportunity. That Turner hasn't gotten the same opportunity that a guy like Iguodala has. When you then look at a guy like Iguodala when he is put in the same role as Turner has come up in over his first 4 years, not having the ball in his hands or being a focus of the offense all of a sudden his production becomes very pedestrian.

I don't want to pay Turner or Iguodala 12 mil a season I don't think these guys are that good. I am just refuting the idea that because one team that has seemed to quit on life and another team IND didn't resign Turner after a 27 game cameo that the guy is worthless.

[Valid]

Iguodala an elite defender now? Explain his game now. For real this conversation is a clown show. Iggy goes to two other teams and is a statistical joke but that doesn't matter Turner had to be better then him in a crap role. How is Iggy a good player now if Turner has never been a good player? It isn't that the guy is Lebron or anything but the fact that it hasn't come easy means he is crap I am sorry that means we need to look in mirror pretty hard about the other guys on the roster.

Sorry, but when hasn't Iguodala been an elite defender? I mean, are you serious with this?

And Iguodala has been a statistical joke? Really? Do you even look at stats before you post stuff like this?

Iggy had a TS% of 57 percent and an eFG% of 54.8 percent last season. He even shot a respectable 35.4 percent from three while shooting a solid 48 percent from the floor.

Defensively, teams averaged 99 points per 100 possessions with Iguodala on the court and 106 with him off the court.

I'm not even a huge Iguodala fan (never have been), but let's call a spade a spade here.

I also don't know why you keep bringing up "other guys on the roster" because that has nothing to do with Turner as an individual player, but if you want to go that route, fine. Jared Sullinger is entering his third year and could make a big leap at the age of 22. Kelly Olynyk was awesome in the second half of last season and is going into his sophomore campaign. Marcus Smart and James Young are extremely talented rookies.

Likening Turner to a lot of the guys on this roster just isn't fair.

Your acting like Turner is 30.

If your can read you would understand I said

"I don't think Turner is quite as good as Iguodala but in 3/4 of a season he did a pretty good impression when he got a hold of that role."

As importantly is that Iguodala in 63 games as a starter in Golden State put up roughly the some production and per 36's as Turner did in IND he is just making 12 mil a season on a 4 year deal. Now that is only getting worse as Iggy is likely going to the bench making 12 mil a year and scoring 9 ppg he is overrated as a defender and is approaching Gerald Wallace production.. The difference between Iggy and Turner hasn't really been on the defensive end it is on the offensive end. Not that Iggy is a great offensive player plenty of poor 3 pt shooting years when it didn't stop him from gunning away and plenty of high turnover years and bad FT shooting but his team played pretty well with him on the floor and a lot of the offense running through him.

Turner has not performed very well offensively and his team hasn't performed well offensively. `That said he hasn't really been in a position for that to be the case. Does that happen in Boston maybe maybe not. But there has just been a big difference between the opportunity that Iggy has had in his career and what Turner has had. Sometimes there is a very good reason for that and that we shall see.

You're going by counting stats, which is silly. By your logic, if a guy averages 16 PPG, it's 16 PPG regardless of how many shots he took per game. You are not taking efficiency into the equation at all.

But, once again, I'll indulge you.

Of course Iguodala isn't going to put up huge per 36 numbers in Golden State because he is playing on a stacked roster and one of the best offensive teams in the league. Meanwhile, Turner was playing on an Indiana squad that was absolutely starved for offense.

I also don't really give a crap about their salaries. Iguodala is overpaid. News flash: we all know that. But let's put salaries aside for a minute and just focus on their games.

And where are you getting that he is "overrated" as a defender? Enlighten me, because you are the only person I have ever encountered who has questioned Iguodala's defense, and the fact that you are essentially saying there is no difference between Turner and Iggy on that end of the floor is hilarious.

Once again, I hope Turner knocks our socks off, but I just don't see it happening. This is a guy who was dumped by a historically bad 76ers team and then let go of by a Pacers team that opted to sign Rodney Stuckey as a replacement for Lance Stephenson rather than bring Turner back on the cheap. Seems to me there is a reason for that.

For what it's worth, I certainly don't think he's "worthless." I think he is a decent bench player, but if we're relying on him to be an integral part of our rebuild, we are in deep trouble.

P.S.: Stop with the insults. First, you say this conversation is a "clown show," and then you try and say that I can't read even though I perfectly understood what you said. You compared Turner to Iguodala. I responded.

[sully00]

P.S.: Stop with the insults. First, you say this conversation is a "clown show," and then you try and say that I can't read even though I perfectly understood what you said. You compared Turner to Iguodala. I responded.

My frustration is in you simplifying my point to comparing Turner to Iguodala which was not may point at all. If you read my post you would realize that. You did not "perfectly understand" what I said you glanced over my post and reacted.

[voodooguru]

VVV VVV

[voodooguru]

I'm a Sixers phan who, as a young vinnie del, saw Wilt Chamberlain play for both the Philadelphia Warriors and the Philadelphia 76ers.

The one "thing" missin' from y'alls ET debate is Doug Collins. If you want me to do the research on Doug's overbearing, hyper-emotional, failed stints in Chicago, DETROIT, and Washington I will. I do believe that some guy named Michael Jordan once said that Doug Collins cried e'ry day.

My one-fan's-opinion might sound, in part, crazy, but this is it, summarized :

1. Doug Collins intentionally ruined ET's development. Doug is real close with Jrue Holiday's daddy and was determined to make Jrue The Man in Illadelphia. Jrue's daddy, Jrue and Doug are all 24-7-365 christians, which deepened Doug's devotion to making Jrue a star (the crazy part?). ET was a Number Two pick on-baller who could easily crash Doug's donkey cart.

2 Doug didn't want ET coming out of college, he wanted a big. That was fair enough, but the GM (Stiff-phan-ski?) took the BPA, ET.

3. ET recently said that anyone who tries to make him a catch and shoot player is no genius. That's exactly what Doug did. Exclusively. On 75ish% of offensive sets he had ET come down the court and plant himself behind the arc in the corner and raise his hand if he was open. It's true, he had Holiday and some Iguodala to initiate his "offence", but thanks to your coach, you guys already know how effective ET can be on the ball.

4. I'm not saying that ET would have made a better PG than Jrue, but dang - ET had just won the NCAA MVP playing on the ball, you'd think he'd get some time there. Jrue would have been better at SG than PG, but Doug wanted him to have the spotlight, exclusively

5. I don't remember exactly when it was but there was a stretch of 4 games, coinciding with a rare (only?) trip to Philly by ET's "agent", where ET spent most of the games at PG on offence. The team won three of four, scored over a century in 3 and 90+ in the othe. Everybody (ET, Holiday and Enigmadala) got theirs. In the fifth game Evan was back in the corner (for the duration) waving his hand. Predicatbly, the losing, losing, losing recommenced and Doug got fired [EDIT-resigned before he got fired] from his final coaching job.

Right from the beginning Doug would bench ET after every mistake and after virtually every little run of form. Compare John "Two Major Injuries" Wall's career minutes with Evan's, and while you're there compare their shooting percentage. Don't worry about "Brick" Wall's turnovers, Evan has yet to spend any significant time on the ball like Wall.

If anything good came out of the Reverend Doctor Doogie Wowser, NBA Coach/Couch's utterly cactus approach to ET, it's that Evan can probably hit the trey at at a break even percentage, he has a money stop and pop on the baseline, and he can play some decent SF. My ideal perimeter for Philly was ET - PG/SF, Jrue SG/PG and Enigmadala SF/PtF (o-f-o).

In a way, the Celtics are ET's first team. Your coach knows his game. As an old-arsed Philly phan I'd venture to say that in spite of his ill treatment in "'Illy", he's still got what could end up as Ye Olde Celtic Spirit.

We're megalithic, ocean-going supertankers in Philly, good luck with ET y'all. He could do 14-5-5, minimum.

OT - Turner's middle name is Marcel. My full nickname for him was He's NOT the Doctor, he's the EMT, and EMT for short, e'ryday use.

If Rajon gets traded I really hope Evan gets a shot at initiating his play and his team's play from the top of the key, not the wing.

OT - Out of respect to the Celts and Rajon, I refrained from posting this on any Rajon-related threads.

OnT - I posted the following on yr last Celts-Ers game thread :

My favorite fun fact about Evan is that even though he was the college POTY at point, he's only played 5 games where he started and finished at point!

He played one for you guys, win, and his team won three of four at Philly. I posted on yr board [somewhere] more extensively [and outlandishly sensational] about ET in Phily imo, but this is a post from another forum, that was posted about 10 days after ET's last game as his team's starting point [until he got lucky with Smart and RR both out]:

March 7th
- 103-71 against Boston
- EMT 36 minutes, 26 points on 19 shots, 9 boards
- Rajon 5 points on 6 shots, 8 assists
March 9th
- 104-91 against Utah
- EMT 43 minutes, 16 points on 12 shots, 12 rebounds, 6 assists
March 11th
- 106-94 against New York
- EMT 40 minutes, 24 points on 14 shots, 15 rebounds
- Linsanity 14 points on 18 shots, 7 assists and 6 turns

Evan got 3 games at point (italics), then that big dummy Doug went back to JRU and Lou for no good reason that I can see. Result?

FAIL.

[jfs1000d]

Guy isn't a good enough ball handler for PG. He can't handle with pace and has PG skills, but not PG game.

He is a wing guard. Needs to be a better shooter from 3. Has to learn to play off the ball. Good scoring potential. Still has that.

[voodooguru]

Guy isn't a good enough ball handler for PG. He can't handle with pace and has PG skills, but not PG game.

He is a wing guard. Needs to be a better shooter from 3. Has to learn to play off the ball. Good scoring potential. Still has that.

Maybe, sure.

I've seen him play 5 NBA games at point. He's led his team to wins in four of five, including one for you guys when Rondo and Smart were both out.

[Krkrich]

On the trading block.

[Egregiousness]

hes a utility infielder. good guy to have coming off the bench and people are forgetting that the dude is cheap. lets give him a fair shake.

[voodooguru]

I'm a Sixers phan who, as a young vinnie del, saw Wilt Chamberlain play for both the Philadelphia Warriors and the Philadelphia 76ers.

The one "thing" missin' from y'alls ET debate is Doug Collins. If you want me to do the research on Doug's overbearing, hyper-emotional, failed stints in Chicago, DETROIT, and Washington I will. I do believe that some guy named Michael Jordan once said that Doug Collins cried e'ry day.

My one-fan's-opinion might sound, in part, crazy, but this is it, summarized :

1. Doug Collins intentionally ruined ET's development. Doug is real close with Jrue Holiday's daddy and was determined to make Jrue The Man in Illadelphia. Jrue's daddy, Jrue and Doug are all 24-7-365 christians, which deepened Doug's devotion to making Jrue a star (the crazy part?). ET was a Number Two pick on-baller who could easily crash Doug's donkey cart.

2 Doug didn't want ET coming out of college, he wanted a big. That was fair enough, but the GM (Stiff-phan-ski?) took the BPA, ET.

3. ET recently said that anyone who tries to make him a catch and shoot player is no genius. That's exactly what Doug did. Exclusively. On 75ish% of offensive sets he had ET come down the court and plant himself behind the arc in the corner and raise his hand if he was open. It's true, he had Holiday and some Iguodala to initiate his "offence", but thanks to your coach, you guys already know how effective ET can be on the ball.

4. I'm not saying that ET would have made a better PG than Jrue, but dang - ET had just won the NCAA MVP playing on the ball, you'd think he'd get some time there. Jrue would have been better at SG than PG, but Doug wanted him to have the spotlight, exclusively

5. I don't remember exactly when it was but there was a stretch of 5 games, coinciding with a rare (only?) trip to Philly by ET's "agent", where ET spent most of the games at PG on offence. The team won four of five, scored over a century in 4 and 90+ in the other, and e'rybody (ET, Holiday and Enigmadala) got theirs. In the sixth game Evan was back in the corner (for the duration) waving his hand. Predicatbly, the losing, losing, losing recommenced and Doug got fired [EDIT-resigned before he got fired] from his final coaching job.

Right from the beginning Doug would bench ET after every mistake and after virtually every little run of form. Compare John "Two Major Injuries" Wall's career minutes with Evan's, and while you're there compare their shooting percentage. Don't worry about "Brick" Wall's turnovers, Evan has yet to spend any significant time on the ball like Wall.

If anything good came out of the Reverend Doctor Doogie Wowser, NBA Coach/Couch's utterly cactus approach to ET, it's that Evan can probably hit the trey at at a break even percentage, he has a money stop and pop on the baseline, and he can play some decent SF. My ideal perimeter for Philly was ET - PG/SF, Jrue SG/PG and Enigmadala SF/PtF (o-f-o).

In a way, the Celtics are ET's first team. Your coach knows his game. As an old-arsed Philly phan I'd venture to say that in spite of his ill treatment in "'Illy", he's still got what could end up as Ye Olde Celtic Spirit.

We're megalithic, ocean-going supertankers in Philly, good luck with ET y'all. He could do 14-5-5, minimum.

OT - Turner's middle name is Marcel. My full nickname for him was He's NOT the Doctor, he's the EMT, and EMT for short, e'ryday use.

Three seasons in Collinsdelphia? Got in a fight with Lance in the monumental meltdown at Insane-diana?

This is his first season.

Nice game "rookie".

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

I'm a Sixers phan who, as a young vinnie del, saw Wilt Chamberlain play for both the Philadelphia Warriors and the Philadelphia 76ers.

The one "thing" missin' from y'alls ET debate is Doug Collins. If you want me to do the research on Doug's overbearing, hyper-emotional, failed stints in Chicago, DETROIT, and Washington I will. I do believe that some guy named Michael Jordan once said that Doug Collins cried e'ry day.

My one-fan's-opinion might sound, in part, crazy, but this is it, summarized :

1. Doug Collins intentionally ruined ET's development. Doug is real close with Jrue Holiday's daddy and was determined to make Jrue The Man in Illadelphia. Jrue's daddy, Jrue and Doug are all 24-7-365 christians, which deepened Doug's devotion to making Jrue a star (the crazy part?). ET was a Number Two pick on-baller who could easily crash Doug's donkey cart.

2 Doug didn't want ET coming out of college, he wanted a big. That was fair enough, but the GM (Stiff-phan-ski?) took the BPA, ET.

3. ET recently said that anyone who tries to make him a catch and shoot player is no genius. That's exactly what Doug did. Exclusively. On 75ish% of offensive sets he had ET come down the court and plant himself behind the arc in the corner and raise his hand if he was open. It's true, he had Holiday and some Iguodala to initiate his "offence", but thanks to your coach, you guys already know how effective ET can be on the ball.

4. I'm not saying that ET would have made a better PG than Jrue, but dang - ET had just won the NCAA MVP playing on the ball, you'd think he'd get some time there. Jrue would have been better at SG than PG, but Doug wanted him to have the spotlight, exclusively

5. I don't remember exactly when it was but there was a stretch of 5 games, coinciding with a rare (only?) trip to Philly by ET's "agent", where ET spent most of the games at PG on offence. The team won four of five, scored over a century in 4 and 90+ in the other, and e'rybody (ET, Holiday and Enigmadala) got theirs. In the sixth game Evan was back in the corner (for the duration) waving his hand. Predicatbly, the losing, losing, losing recommenced and Doug got fired [EDIT-resigned before he got fired] from his final coaching job.

Right from the beginning Doug would bench ET after every mistake and after virtually every little run of form. Compare John "Two Major Injuries" Wall's career minutes with Evan's, and while you're there compare their shooting percentage. Don't worry about "Brick" Wall's turnovers, Evan has yet to spend any significant time on the ball like Wall.

If anything good came out of the Reverend Doctor Doogie Wowser, NBA Coach/Couch's utterly cactus approach to ET, it's that Evan can probably hit the trey at at a break even percentage, he has a money stop and pop on the baseline, and he can play some decent SF. My ideal perimeter for Philly was ET - PG/SF, Jrue SG/PG and Enigmadala SF/PtF (o-f-o).

In a way, the Celtics are ET's first team. Your coach knows his game. As an old-arsed Philly phan I'd venture to say that in spite of his ill treatment in "'Illy", he's still got what could end up as Ye Olde Celtic Spirit.

We're megalithic, ocean-going supertankers in Philly, good luck with ET y'all. He could do 14-5-5, minimum.

OT - Turner's middle name is Marcel. My full nickname for him was He's NOT the Doctor, he's the EMT, and EMT for short, e'ryday use.

Three seasons in Collinsdelphia? Got in a fight with Lance in the monumental meltdown at Insane-diana?

This is his first season.

Nice game "rookie".

Cool article, timely bump.

[Golabki]

Offensively Turner is probably best as a play making PG... but he's not good enough to be a primary play-maker in a good offense.

Defensively Turner is a mediocre defensive wing with the size to play the 2 or 3.

This is why Turner is only useful on crappy teams like the 6ers or the Celtics.

[Gomes3PC]

He's best as a PG offensively who can slide over to the wing on defense. The good thing is we have guards like Bradley and Smart who are undersized but play well off the ball, so they can defend the PG spot. He's a decent player when he's paid like he is today, but I wouldn't stretch much further, mainly because he can't shoot and his defense looks spotty at best right now.

[voodooguru]

Start him at point, run three isos for a couple shots and a pass, then do whatcha like. Let him post up smaller guards a couple times in the first quarter. Easy-ish scores to start.

His game is better from the top of the key than from the elbow.

Think of him as a "rookie-ish" player.

[rmal8852]

Start him at point, run three isos for a couple shots and a pass, then do whatcha like. Let him post up smaller guards a couple times in the first quarter. Easy-ish scores to start.

His game is better from the top of the key than from the elbow.

Think of him as a "rookie-ish" player.

And 1.... I completely agree. And ET (or EMT AS YOU CALL HIM) was in a real sucky situation at Indy.




In a way, the Celtics are ET's first team. Your coach knows his game. As an old-arsed Philly phan I'd venture to say that in spite of his ill treatment in "'Illy", he's still got what could end up as Ye Olde Celtic Spirit.

We're megalithic, ocean-going supertankers in Philly, good luck with ET y'all. He could do 14-5-5, minimum.

OT - Turner's middle name is Marcel. My full nickname for him was He's NOT the Doctor, he's the EMT, and EMT for short, e'ryday use.

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I think this perspective,if valid, explains a lot and gives much hope for ET's future. which I hope is here.

ET went into a situation in Indiana that was toxic and hostile for a couple of reasons.

First, he was NOT Danny Granger. Granger was the glue and veteran presence that held that locker room together, not David West (and I know I'm biased against West because I'm still bummed he didn't come here, where he could have made a championship difference for us). In addition, Paul George, Granger's heir apparent, idolized Granger. George was angry that Granger was no longer there, so the locker-room was not exactly a welcoming place for Turner, right off the bat. Add that to Turner being in direct competition with another George favorite, Sir Lance, for minutes with both being in a contract year, and the friction increases.


Second, since the locker-room lack of cohesion showed itself in Indiana's precipitous drop off in play at the end of last season, tempers were very short all-around come playoff time.

In a pre-playoff game practice, Sir Lance (the real gentleman that he isn't) allegedly called out Hibbert in front of everyone about his poor play, saying that Hibbert was bum-sore because "Catfish" George was banging Hibberts girlfriend. ET, the class act and gentleman that he IS, stood up to Stevenson, defending Hibbert, and the fists started flying and the blood literally and figuratively flowed.

The Pacers bled out in the playoffs.

That's why it didn't work out in Indy.

Turner takes a lot of undeserved crap on this board and on other boards, especially celticsblog, being called Evan Turnover and whatnot. Well, like D'Amico commented, now he's Evan Takeover

[voodooguru]

He's-only-going-to-get-better-BUMP

[RondoToKG]

Nice to see he got a triple dub tonight. That means for the next 3 games he's scoring 2/2/2.