The latest rumors/news after today's signings

[Froob]

Well, they may hold him in higher regard than people do here and I guess I don't view him as the 4th PG but that's besides the point, by how much did they pay him over the usual salary for a second rounder?

Over 2X as much in the first year it sounds like and at least 1.5x as much over the life of the deal.

A favor to an agent perhaps? I don't see it hamstringing the Celtics in any way, this type of money is more than ever a drop in the bucket

That'd make the most sense to me, wasn't Ainge tight with KD's agent? Little things like that could add up.

[rob4748]

No idea whether there is a shred of credibility here, but passing on any way. Did Doc back out?

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/758040231182565376

Doesn't this sound more plausible then the other trades proposed here? I honestly think it's relatively fair (depending on picks sent to SAC)

[Chris4Vikes]

No idea whether there is a shred of credibility here, but passing on any way. Did Doc back out?

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/758040231182565376

Doesn't this sound more plausible then the other trades proposed here? I honestly think it's relatively fair (depending on picks sent to SAC)

I think it's potentially win-win-win. Not sure the Clips don't get better (look at all the shooters + Reddick) plus a Nets pick.

[GoCeltics123]

No idea whether there is a shred of credibility here, but passing on any way. Did Doc back out?

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/758040231182565376

Doesn't this sound more plausible then the other trades proposed here? I honestly think it's relatively fair (depending on picks sent to SAC)

I think that was the old trade, no?

[OFWGKTA]

That's basically my trade except Olynyk instead of Jerebko

[Chris4Vikes]

That's basically my trade except Olynyk instead of Jerebko

Doesn't more salary need to go to Sac?

[CharlesBradleyLikesToDunk]

Hopefully Gaston can talk to his source at Grindr for us. And then he can post 17 times how barely knows the guy, doesn't believe him anyways, and it's not what is seems.

Groundhog day at RealGM!

[sully00]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is $375,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 4 mil over 4 years with QOs.

[Homerclease]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

I've been big on Rozier since last season so I'm curious as to why you think Jackson is a better player? I thought Rozier was excellent for the celts in the playoffs last year all things considered and certainly played well in the SL

[Froob]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

I've been big on Rozier since last season so I'm curious as to why you think Jackson is a better player? I thought Rozier was excellent for the celts in the playoffs last year all things considered and certainly played well in the SL

I think it was that Rockets game when Crowder got hurt that he first started playing and he came in during garbage time and went like 1/8. He was blowing right by guys to the rim but, did a horrific job at finishing. Could see the kid had talent from that first game.

[chakdaddy]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

But why are we giving out 4 year near minimum contracts for guys who may or may not be on the roster long-term? We already punted the 16th pick in order to avoid a long term contract. But now we add a long term contract we don't need to, even if it is small. I'd rather tie a little more money up in Labissiere than this small amount on Jackson.

[Homerclease]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

But why are we giving out 4 year near minimum contracts for guys who may or may not be on the roster long-term? We already punted the 16th pick in order to avoid a long term contract. But now we add a long term contract we don't need to, even if it is small. I'd rather tie a little more money up in Labissiere than this small amount on Jackson.

You have room for 4 guys next year when Amir, Jerebko, Green and Zeller are gone.

[canman1971]

Maybe he had a long term deal lined up in Europe or wherever and Danny really wanted to keep him, so he realized he wasn't gonna get him on his normal offer of a "3" year 2nd round pick deal with only the first year being guaranteed?

[Smitty731]

My main source on Griffin says:

"The Celtics are trying to push it back to the 3 team deal. Basic framework is:

Rozier, Young and Hunter/Mickey from BOS to SAC
Holland (would be waived by LAC), Johnson, Hunter/Mickey and 1 BRK (probably 2018) from BOS to LAC
Griffin and Pierce from LAC to BOS
Gay from SAC to LAC
Draft Rights for someone (I am guessing Maarty Leunen) from LAC to SAC to satisfy "touch" rules in a 3 team trade

Boston could kick Sacramento a future pick if necessary to get the deal done.

He said the Kings are intrigued, Boston is motivated, but LAC is still holding out and questioning if dealing Griffin is the right thing at this point. The Clippers are also questioning if just dealing with Boston is better and if they can get Crowder who Boston does not want to trade.

SAC also doesn't have a roster spot for 3 guys when sending out just Gay. But that isn't a major hold up and they'll try to sort that out later this year. Even if it means paying someone to take on a contract later.

[ddb]

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[canman1971]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

But why are we giving out 4 year near minimum contracts for guys who may or may not be on the roster long-term? We already punted the 16th pick in order to avoid a long term contract. But now we add a long term contract we don't need to, even if it is small. I'd rather tie a little more money up in Labissiere than this small amount on Jackson.

And you realize as Smitty said, Young may be gone. I was a supporter and had hope, but that guy has done nothing to warrant a roster spot, and yes I know he's still only 20.

[Tai]

No idea whether there is a shred of credibility here, but passing on any way. Did Doc back out?

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/758040231182565376

For anyone that cares I did find the hour on the F&M podcast that Bob's referring to;

http://radio.com/audio/felger-massarotti/

Hour 3 of today, start at 24:50.

To be honest, seems like a very fair trade depending on the picks the Kings are getting. The Celtics don't give up Crowder, Smart, OR Brown? I can dig it. I can't imagine this doesn't get revisited.

[Froob]

My main source on Griffin says:

"The Celtics are trying to push it back to the 3 team deal. Basic framework is:

Rozier, Young and Hunter/Mickey from BOS to SAC
Holland (would be waived by LAC), Johnson, Hunter/Mickey and 1 BRK (probably 2018) from BOS to LAC
Griffin and Pierce from LAC to BOS
Gay from SAC to LAC
Draft Rights for someone (I am guessing Maarty Leunen) from LAC to SAC to satisfy "touch" rules in a 3 team trade

Boston could kick Sacramento a future pick if necessary to get the deal done.

He said the Kings are intrigued, Boston is motivated, but LAC is still holding out and questioning if dealing Griffin is the right thing at this point. The Clippers are also questioning if just dealing with Boston is better and if they can get Crowder who Boston does not want to trade.

SAC also doesn't have a roster spot for 3 guys when sending out just Gay. But that isn't a major hold up and they'll try to sort that out later this year. Even if it means paying someone to take on a contract later.

Wow...that's not bad assuming that's not 2017 Brooklyn pick. I hate losing Rozier but no AB OR CROWDER!?!

[Slartibartfast]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

But why are we giving out 4 year near minimum contracts for guys who may or may not be on the roster long-term? We already punted the 16th pick in order to avoid a long term contract. But now we add a long term contract we don't need to, even if it is small. I'd rather tie a little more money up in Labissiere than this small amount on Jackson.

I'm guessing positional opportunity. Bumping Rozier up the 2nd unit opened up a spot for 3rd string PG.

[sully00]

Definitely seems crazy for a guy who should be a candidate to be replaced in a year or two if not cut this year. Multiyear deal for Phil Pressey basically. I guess they like him a lot, he does sound good on paper, just looked bad in the Summer league. But why guarantee a guy that should be on the roster bubble with other 2nd rounders every year?

Jackson is much better than Pressey, I think he is a better player than Rozier who everyone thinks a future All Star after summer league. Pressey wasn't even drafted Jackson was considered to be a first rounder even as high as 20.

The deal is a little rich it is essentially $400.000 less than what the 30th pick in the draft will get on a 4 year deal. But if your Jackson and you just watched Zeller get 8 mil a season for being tall why would you accept anything less for giving up FA years.

In reality it is less than $500,000 a year above minimum over 4 years which would have been 3.62 mil over 4 years.

But why are we giving out 4 year near minimum contracts for guys who may or may not be on the roster long-term? We already punted the 16th pick in order to avoid a long term contract. But now we add a long term contract we don't need to, even if it is small. I'd rather tie a little more money up in Labissiere than this small amount on Jackson.

That is a valid point that I can't refute. I edited my post because the extra money is even less because to keep him you would have to give him a QO two year in a row so the money is more like an extra $375000 per year.

if your still signing guys past 15 with guaranteed deals them something is obviously going down. There is no reason for Rozier and Jackson to be on the same team long term unless someone else is leaving.