Start Green at PF!

[wigglestrue]

Are you frigging kidding me?

Jeff has had a great run since Rondo went down, and has put up some great numbers of late - the best stretch of his career. I am happy for him. But he is not anywhere near Paul, not even close.

Maybe you missed the part where Paul has put up staggering ALL PRO stat lines since the ASG and during March 2013. And three triple doubles. And multiple clutch Js down the stretch of multiple games. I have only posted these numbers every other frigging day.

If Jeff can continue to play this well consistently, it bodes very well for the Celtics, but he has a long long long long long long way to go before his name is spoken in the same sentence as Paul Pierce.

Consistency aside, since that may just be a matter of waiting...
Green as a starter has been, like, pretty damn amazing.
Yes, Pierce had a pretty damn amazing March. But...
Pierce's March vs. Green's starts? I take Green.

Knock yourself out.

Look, it's just a question, now, is the point, not a totally unreasonable question.
Is he? No, probably not. But for the sake of argument...

15 games, 33.5 min, 6.5-13.0 (.503), 2.1-4.6 (.464), 4.7-6.1 (.772)
7.3 reb, 5.9 ast, 0.8 blk, 0.7 stl, 2.7 pf, 3.9 to, 19.9 pts

10 min, 37.7 min, 7.7-14.1 (.546), 1.7-3.3 (.515), 4.3-5.7 (.754)
5.9 reb, 3.6 ast, 1.4 blk, 1.1 stl, 2.3 pf, 1.9 to, 21.4 pts

And that doesn't include tonight's start for Green.
Just in this narrow comparison...
You don't take the latter?

[exculpatory]

[quote="exculpatory"]Are you frigging kidding me?

Jeff has had a great run since Rondo went down, and has put up some great numbers of late - the best stretch of his career. I am happy for him. But he is not anywhere near Paul, not even close.

Maybe you missed the part where Paul has put up staggering ALL PRO stat lines since the ASG and during March 2013. And three triple doubles. And multiple clutch Js down the stretch of multiple games. I have only posted these numbers every other frigging day.

If Jeff can continue to play this well consistently, it bodes very well for the Celtics, but he has a long long long long long long way to go before his name is spoken in the same sentence as Paul Pierce.

Consistency aside, since that may just be a matter of waiting...
Green as a starter has been, like, pretty damn amazing.
Yes, Pierce had a pretty damn amazing March. But...
Pierce's March vs. Green's starts? I take Green.

Knock yourself out.

Look, it's just a question, now, is the point, not a totally unreasonable question.

Is he? No, probably not.

But for the sake of argument...

15 games, 33.5 min, 6.5-13.0 (.503), 2.1-4.6 (.464), 4.7-6.1 (.772)
7.3 reb, 5.9 ast, 0.8 blk, 0.7 stl, 2.7 pf, 3.9 to, 19.9 pts

10 GAMES, 37.7 min, 7.7-14.1 (.546), 1.7-3.3 (.515), 4.3-5.7 (.754)
5.9 reb, 3.6 ast, 1.4 blk, 1.1 stl, 2.3 pf, 1.9 to, 21.4 pts

And that doesn't include tonight's start for Green.
Just in this narrow comparison...
You don't take the latter?[/quote]

Is he? Definitely not.

You are comparing the All Pro stats of Paul during the 15 games he played in March VS what? - 10 consecutive starts by Jeff where he literally played the best stretch of his career?

A nice beginning. Talk to me about Paul VS Jeff with a 50-100 game sample size.

All those numbers tell me is future HOFER/still elite Paul had a **** brilliant All Pro March 2013 & Jeff had a fabulous stretch of 10 starts for the first time in his career.

And I am glad they both play for the Boston Celtics.

[wigglestrue]

Right. I hear you, ex.

So, all other considerations aside...

The former 15-game stretch, or the latter 11-game stretch?

15 games, 33.5 min, 6.5-13.0 (.503), 2.1-4.6 (.464), 4.7-6.1 (.772)
7.3 reb, 5.9 ast, 0.8 blk, 0.7 stl, 2.7 pf, 3.9 to, 19.9 pts

11 games, 38.1 min, 8.2-14.5 (.563), 1.8-3.4 3pt (.541), 4.4-5.8 ft (.750)
5.9 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.6 blk, 1.1 stl, 2.5 pf, 2.0 to, 22.5 pts

It's a simple, narrow question.
Answering it has no bearing on one's opinion on which player is better, not now, nor before.

[GreenBloodedC]

gary washburn ‏@GwashNBAGlobe 11m
Doc says Jeff Green is a permanent starter. “I think he’s earned that,” Rivers said. Green could start at various positions #celtics

[wigglestrue]

gary washburn ‏@GwashNBAGlobe 11m
Doc says Jeff Green is a permanent starter. “I think he’s earned that,” Rivers said. Green could start at various positions #celtics

:bananadance:

Better late than never!

Yay, Doc!

[Fantaxp7]

gary washburn ‏@GwashNBAGlobe 11m
Doc says Jeff Green is a permanent starter. “I think he’s earned that,” Rivers said. Green could start at various positions #celtics

:bananadance:

Better late than never!

Yay, Doc!

+1

[Froob]

Finally! Will it be Bradley Pierce Green Bass KG or Lee Bradley Pierce Green KG? I like the size of the former but I don't like Bradley at the point even though Pierce will likely be point forward.

[AgentGreen]

gary washburn ‏@GwashNBAGlobe 11m
Doc says Jeff Green is a permanent starter. “I think he’s earned that,” Rivers said. Green could start at various positions #celtics

Oh thankgod for this. Doc has seen the light? Now we need another quote where he prefers Randolph over Wilcox.

So it will be.. Bradley, Pierce, Green, Bass and KG

Lee from the bench for Bradley is a better idea and TWill is doing a fine job as a substitute for Pierce.

Now if only Jet can be a more consistent shooter.

[Celtic Esquire]

gary washburn ‏@GwashNBAGlobe 11m
Doc says Jeff Green is a permanent starter. “I think he’s earned that,” Rivers said. Green could start at various positions #celtics

About freakin' time that Green became a starter full-time. Check his stats as a starter vs. coming off the bench.

Doc with his usual too late lineup change.

[Slartibartfast]

I'd imagine that Green will be starting at the 3 with Pierce moving up to the 2 and Lee staying on the bench.

[Fencer reregistered]

I'd imagine that Green will be starting at the 3 with Pierce moving up to the 2 and Lee staying on the bench.

I'm inclined to agree with you, for two reasons.

1. Bradley/Pierce/Green/Bass/Garnett are currently our 5 best players, excluding the emphatically non-starting Terry.

2. For reasons I don't wholly understand, starting line-ups tend to be on the big side -- as opposed to, say, game-finishing ones, when there's a difference.

[wigglestrue]

12 games, 37.7 min, 8.2-14.4 fg (.566), 1.8-3.2 3pt (.553), 4.5-6.0 ft (.750)
6.2 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.5 blk, 1.0 stl, 2.7 pf, 2.0 to, 22.6 pts

Okay, small sample, I know. 12 starts. (None with both Pierce and Garnett, still.)
But that's somewhat on Doc, who was slow to realize Green should be starting.
Anyway, imagine this:

82 games, 37.7 min, 8.2-14.4 fg (.566), 1.8-3.2 3pt (.553), 4.5-6.0 ft (.750)
6.2 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.5 blk, 1.0 stl, 2.7 pf, 2.0 to, 22.6 pts

Where does that hypothetical player probably finish in MVP voting?
4th? 6th? 9th? 15th?

[Bluewhale]

To be honest, Green's 50%+ 3 point is not going to sustain.

I think he shows enough to be a 40% 3 point set-up shooter, especially in the corner. (Not pull up shooter as Terry/Ray)
Green also shows good sign as a mid-range shooter.

For 24 game after all star break, Jeff Green puts 18pt/5rb/2.9ast/1.3bk and 51%/44% shooting in 34 minutes, that is very impressive.

The concern to start Pierce/Green in 2/3 is it is too energy consuming for Pierce to defend at 2, as player get older, they tends to play the slower position. (Like KG play C rather than PF)

But Green shows that he could defend 2 except some very quick/small combo guard, so it should be fine.

[bucknersrevenge]

To be honest, Green's 50%+ 3 point is not going to sustain.

I think he shows enough to be a 40% 3 point set-up shooter, especially in the corner. (Not pull up shooter as Terry/Ray)
Green also shows good sign as a mid-range shooter.

For 24 game after all star break, Jeff Green puts 18pt/5rb/2.9ast/1.3bk and 51%/44% shooting in 34 minutes, that is very impressive.

The concern to start Pierce/Green in 2/3 is it is too energy consuming for Pierce to defend at 2, as player get older, they tends to play the slower position. (Like KG play C rather than PF)

But Green shows that he could defend 2 except some very quick/small combo guard, so it should be fine.

Well the way I see the playoffs. If they play NY I feel confident Paul can stay with Kidd if he starts, and to some degree JR Smith also. And Paul is definitely good enough to make those guys have to play defense at the other end and put pressure on them. I think he'd be alright against George as well. What playing Paul at the 2 does for certain is give us an option that can create fouls and attack the defense at his position better than Lee can. And it's important, so very important that we make opponents best offensive players have to play BOTH ends of the floor. They shouldn't get to just coast on defense. Playing Paul at the 2 and Green at the 3 for the first 8 minutes of a game will make sure of it. Then Lee can come off the bench for KG, pushing Bass to impromptu Center and sliding everyone up.

[wigglestrue]

The concern to start Pierce/Green in 2/3 is it is too energy consuming for Pierce to defend at 2

But see, the concern there has always been founded on the premise that the Celtics absolutely need Pierce to have a maximum amount of energy on offense because Pierce is our only true go-to guy. Not so much, anymore. Not with Green emerging as a go-to guy himself. So now, Pierce can defend the 2, and maybe even devote maximum energy to that, taking it easy on offense, capitalizing on open looks, hanging out around the arc, indulging in the role of facilitator more, a role he's pretty damned good at when he wants to be, and just crushing the wings he guards at the other end. I suspect Pierce could be a revelation defending the 2.

[InsidersExec]

Once the Boston Celtics realize DJ White, Shav, Wilcox are all better options at the 4 then Bass. We will see a better Celtic product.

[wigglestrue]

LOL at today's game.
For a day, at least, I get to eat crow.
I had almost forgotten what it tastes like!
Now it's coming back...the one thousand crow sandwiches I've eaten.
Well, Mr. Green, your first Pierce + Garnett start wasn't impressive, at all.
Let's get 'em next game! Maybe someday you can reach the heights Mr. Bass has ascended.

[AgentGreen]

I posted this already in another thread, so here you go.

So i guess this lineup works for us.

The only problem is that Green looks more and more passive lately during the game. He just started on 3 and maybe Doc is still figuring out how to use Green in a more effective way. But he needs to be more aggressive and demanding. Also most of our offensive plays should end with him. He isn't taking enough shots and shows only a couple of drives during the game. Its not going to work like this for us,

We need a more dominant Green in the playoffs, like the Green against Miami. Doc needs to figure this out with KG and Pierce on the court.