IT 4 MVP

[ConstableGeneva]

I got nothing to back this up but it seems like this season Isaiah is really looking to take over scoring wise in the 4th quarter and in the first 3 quarters he's looking to get others involved more and run the offense. Last year his play seemed pretty steady from quarter to quarter. It comes from a better understanding of what the team needs when and the confidence that he can get his shot off when he wants to.

Assist Ratio Average for 1st-3rd Qtr: 23.1
Assist Ratio in 4th Qtr: 13.6

Usage Rate Average for 1st-3rd Qtr: 30
Usage Rate in 4th Qtr: 45.2

Scoring Average for 1st-3rd Qtr: 6.13
Scoring in 4th Qtr: 9.7

Numbers back up your observation for this season (too lazy to check previous season). Dynamic might change once Crowder and Horford are back.

[KGboss]

I got nothing to back this up but it seems like this season Isaiah is really looking to take over scoring wise in the 4th quarter and in the first 3 quarters he's looking to get others involved more and run the offense. Last year his play seemed pretty steady from quarter to quarter. It comes from a better understanding of what the team needs when and the confidence that he can get his shot off when he wants to.

Assist Ratio Average for 1st-3rd Qtr: 23.1
Assist Ratio in 4th Qtr: 13.6

Usage Rate Average for 1st-3rd Qtr: 30
Usage Rate in 4th Qtr: 45.2

Scoring Average for 1st-3rd Qtr: 6.13
Scoring in 4th Qtr: 9.7

Numbers back up your observation for this season (too lazy to check previous season). Dynamic might change once Crowder and Horford are back.

Wonder what those stats are now after the last couple of games as well.

IT continues to ball out.

Also i have been thinking about this to the people who want isaiah as a 6th man....usually if a guy cant handle or shouldnt be a starter there is a big tell before too long. Look at Ish Smith in Detroit for example filling in for Reggie Jackson. Hes a great bench guy 6th man type candidate but struggles in big minutes. Thomas excels and the team does well. I just dont understand the logic.

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[jrob23]

I'm one of the people who hope he eventually becomes a 6th man. The logic is his defense won't be such a concern and the 2nd unit has desperately needed scoring. Rozier has been playing much better so I'm thinking he'll start to assert himself more and the 2nd unit scoring will be somewhat improved so it might solve that issue making it a moot point. But I would like to know whether Rozier can be good enough to not make us regret passing on PG with BK17. These PG are elite. They would be the best prospect Boston has drafted since Pierce and Bias before that. Personally I'd draft whichever one we liked best, but knowing Danny, he won't, so it'd be great to get Rozier ready to take over for when IT inevitably leaves due to age and contract demands. Heck, maybe Rozier proves to be very capable allowing us to draft Giles. We won't know that unless he gets major run with the starters. I get that some of you feel like IT can be a championship PG, but I don't. His 3 pt shot is suspect, too often he drives and gets lost in the trees and turns the ball over, he plays hero ball too much and we become dependent on him for scoring because of it, and he's a trash defender and perpetual liability on D.

btw IT will have a tough time even be MVP of our team (Horford) let alone all of the NBA.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Lol^

[yeahM8]

Lol^

I know right.
I really don't know if people are watching the same games as I am.

Keep the doubts coming it only feeds IT

[DK-All Day]

We're going to have need IT to stay on his current pace and for the Celtics to get the #2 seed to even get consideration.

[greenroom31]

Hard to know what this thread is really about. If it's to be taken literally then no way is IT going to be league MVP or even a top 5 contender (LeBron, Harden, Curry or Durant, CP3, Westbrook all almost certain to be ahead of him).

If the thread is about whether or not IT is good enough to be the starting PG on a championship team I think the answer is obviously yes. Mario Chalmers is a two-time starting PG on a championship team. Derek Fisher was a championship PG (before he spent time trying to sleep with his buddies ex-wives). There are lots of worse PGs on that list.

If the thread is about whether or not IT is good enough to carry a team a championship that otherwise would be like a #4-6 seed, then the answer is no. He has too many deficiencies as a defender to singlehandedly elevate a team to a title. FWIW, so does pretty much every player in the NBA other than maybe LeBron.

I don't think the issue with the team is IT at all. The problem with winning a title is bringing in other quality player to help him. The style of team we seem to be trying to build is more like the 2004 Pistons team, with a bunch of borderline all-stars rather than a couple of superstars and some role players. Between AB, Crowder, IT and Horford we have 4 guys who fit the mold. We need another quality big man who can rebound and protect the rim (i.e. the Anti-Zeller) and then either need to acquire or develop a lead scorer for the bench unit.

Could IT fulfill that bench-scorer role? Sure, but then we have another big gap to fill with the starters which sort of defeats the purpose. It's like if a football team has two great wide receivers so they trade one for a running back. Well now that one great WR is going to get double teamed every game so you've turned a strength into a weakness and now you need another good WR.

[KGboss]

Hes is 8th in scoring currently at 26.8 ppg and he has a PER of 26.3 which is higher so far this year than Curry or Lebron.

Yah. Kids a star.

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[Writebloc]

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[jrob23]

Lol^

typical inarticulate fanboy. I'm sure you'll answer with a nonsense one word response, but tell me...where do you rank him among PGs in the NBA?

[jrob23]

Hes is 8th in scoring currently at 26.8 ppg and he has a PER of 26.3 which is higher so far this year than Curry or Lebron.

Yah. Kids a star.

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That's the problem with so many of you...all you seem to care about is offense. Hard to take your opinions seriously when you don't account for 50% of the game. It doesn't really matter, I can't see DA paying him what he'll be asking for in a couple of years when this team might be ready to win a championship with our young guys and BK picks.

[Pacino62]

Lol^

typical inarticulate fanboy. I'm sure you'll answer with a nonsense one word response, but tell me...where do you rank him among PGs in the NBA?

Hmmmmm

[KGboss]

Hes is 8th in scoring currently at 26.8 ppg and he has a PER of 26.3 which is higher so far this year than Curry or Lebron.

Yah. Kids a star.

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That's the problem with so many of you...all you seem to care about is offense. Hard to take your opinions seriously when you don't account for 50% of the game. It doesn't really matter, I can't see DA paying him what he'll be asking for in a couple of years when this team might be ready to win a championship with our young guys and BK picks.

we arent not accounting for his defensive limitations but he makes up[ for it on the offensive end in spades. Same goes for Harden. Another guard who sucks at defense but hes a star because offensively he kills it. If you excel at something that only maybe 10 guys in the league can match or beat you at, especially when it is as something as important as putting that orange in the basket, youre a star. You cant dismiss a guy all together just because hes not a full fledged 2 way player. Thats just idiotic.

[Curmudgeon]

He didn't look like an MVP tonight.

[KGboss]

He didn't look like an MVP tonight.

Another 23 point night. Do we win this game without him?

Answer is no.

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[OFWGKTA]

He didn't look like an MVP tonight.

Cmon at least wait til a worse game than 23/5. I understand that's a bad game by his standards, but he can't score 30 every night!

[Ed Pinkney]

Hes is 8th in scoring currently at 26.8 ppg and he has a PER of 26.3 which is higher so far this year than Curry or Lebron.

Yah. Kids a star.

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That's the problem with so many of you...all you seem to care about is offense. Hard to take your opinions seriously when you don't account for 50% of the game. It doesn't really matter, I can't see DA paying him what he'll be asking for in a couple of years when this team might be ready to win a championship with our young guys and BK picks.

Funny how many people also slay Smart on this board for his offense, considering his abilities in the other 50% of the game.

[Writebloc]

Lol^

typical inarticulate fanboy. I'm sure you'll answer with a nonsense one word response, but tell me...where do you rank him among PGs in the NBA?

Dude, you're posting on a Celtic's forum, guess what you're a "fanboy" too, except worse because you have an attitude where you think your the smartest guy on the board. We get it, Rozier is your binky he could play just as well as IT, Nader should be up and Brown should be in the D League, and Kay Felder, Dejonte Murray, and Brice Johnson are all next level elite talent. A piece of advice LBF amongst others have curried more favor on this board than any of your snide remarks ever will. Unless you're Woj himself you don't possess any more basketball knowledge than any of us, stop posting as if you do.

[jrob23]

Lol^

typical inarticulate fanboy. I'm sure you'll answer with a nonsense one word response, but tell me...where do you rank him among PGs in the NBA?

Dude, you're posting on a Celtic's forum, guess what you're a "fanboy" too, except worse because you have an attitude where you think your the smartest guy on the board. We get it, Rozier is your binky he could play just as well as IT, Nader should be up and Brown should be in the D League, and Kay Felder, Dejonte Murray, and Brice Johnson are all next level elite talent. A piece of advice LBF amongst others have curried more favor on this board than any of your snide remarks ever will. Unless you're Woj himself you don't possess any more basketball knowledge than any of us, stop posting as if you do.

triggered

[jrob23]

Hes is 8th in scoring currently at 26.8 ppg and he has a PER of 26.3 which is higher so far this year than Curry or Lebron.

Yah. Kids a star.

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That's the problem with so many of you...all you seem to care about is offense. Hard to take your opinions seriously when you don't account for 50% of the game. It doesn't really matter, I can't see DA paying him what he'll be asking for in a couple of years when this team might be ready to win a championship with our young guys and BK picks.

Funny how many people also slay Smart on this board for his offense, considering his abilities in the other 50% of the game.

Pretty much. I think the minor difference is Smart has great size for his position and isn't a finished product offensively at 22 y/o. IT for his contract is the best bargain in the league by far.