Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't know, I see that as a very underwhelming offer.

The Lakers pick is 50-50 to convey. I'd be shocked if Magic doesn't go all in on at least one star this summer, and they could easily be a fringe playoff team next year.

2019 is 3 drafts away. It's way too hard to seriously project where the Kings will be, and eve. If it's a future top 10 pick, discounted 3 drafts to today, it's not particularly valuable.

RoCo is nice, but has 1 more year before UFA and a 20M+ contract. Noel is nice too, but same story. There's a reason he was traded for Justin Anderson and a pair of seconds.

I see it as 2 late lottery picks and 2 role players-- that doesn't net you a star and is a very hard move to sell your fans on.

[Curmudgeon]

As I said elsewhere, Bird is screwed. As long as it is rumored that PG13 wants to play in LA, teams will shy away, because even if he agrees to an extension as part of the trade, you will be paying an absolute premium-- and if he could break his ankle once, he might do it again.

And as it stands, the team is a little too good to get high draft picks, and as a small market franchise, it's a little too poor to overpay for top free agents.

[24istheLAW]

As I said elsewhere, Bird is screwed. As long as it is rumored that PG13 wants to play in LA, teams will shy away, because even if he agrees to an extension as part of the trade, you will be paying an absolute premium-- and if he could break his ankle once, he might do it again.

And as it stands, the team is a little too good to get high draft picks, and as a small market franchise, it's a little too poor to overpay for top free agents.

Still think the LA thing is silly. George is making a scene because the Pacers aren't good enough. And we're supposed to believe he's a risk to bolt to LA? It would be unprecedented in the entire history of the NBA.

[Kolkmania]

I don't know, I see that as a very underwhelming offer.

The Lakers pick is 50-50 to convey. I'd be shocked if Magic doesn't go all in on at least one star this summer, and they could easily be a fringe playoff team next year.

2019 is 3 drafts away. It's way too hard to seriously project where the Kings will be, and eve. If it's a future top 10 pick, discounted 3 drafts to today, it's not particularly valuable.

RoCo is nice, but has 1 more year before UFA and a 20M+ contract. Noel is nice too, but same story. There's a reason he was traded for Justin Anderson and a pair of seconds.

I see it as 2 late lottery picks and 2 role players-- that doesn't net you a star and is a very hard move to sell your fans on.

Lakers pick carries over to an unprotected pick in 2018. With the Deng, Mozgov and Clarkson contracts the Lakers don't even have space to sign a great FA. A rookie and organic development within the roster isn't going to improve that team to a late lottery pick. Not sure if Lakers have the assets to trade for a star, will result in an untalented roster if done as well. I'll be surprised if they win more than 30 games next year.

I don't have any faith in Sacramento to be fair with Divac and Ranadive. They have to rely on a young core consisting out of Hield, WCS and Skal, plus two top 10 picks this year. We've seen that it takes a long time for teams like that to improve towards the late lottery (Sixers, Orlando, Wolves, Suns)

It sounds as an underwhelming offer for shortsighted fans, but letting George walk for nothing would be catastrophic. Like I said, this move would be the first step for a rebuild, sell valuable players like Thad Young, Monta Ellis, etc. and build upon Myles Turner, Pacers '17, Lakers '17/'18, Pacers '18, Kings '19, Pacers '19, talented role players and the additional picks from the trades.

Agree that there's a lot of uncertainty, but also a lot of upside with multiple top picks. Losing George for nothing will cement that franchise into treadmill territory.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't know, I see that as a very underwhelming offer.

The Lakers pick is 50-50 to convey. I'd be shocked if Magic doesn't go all in on at least one star this summer, and they could easily be a fringe playoff team next year.

2019 is 3 drafts away. It's way too hard to seriously project where the Kings will be, and eve. If it's a future top 10 pick, discounted 3 drafts to today, it's not particularly valuable.

RoCo is nice, but has 1 more year before UFA and a 20M+ contract. Noel is nice too, but same story. There's a reason he was traded for Justin Anderson and a pair of seconds.

I see it as 2 late lottery picks and 2 role players-- that doesn't net you a star and is a very hard move to sell your fans on.

Lakers pick carries over to an unprotected pick in 2018. With the Deng, Mozgov and Clarkson contracts the Lakers don't even have space to sign a great FA. A rookie and organic development within the roster isn't going to improve that team to a late lottery pick. Not sure if Lakers have the assets to trade for a star, will result in an untalented roster if done as well. I'll be surprised if they win more than 30 games next year.

I don't have any faith in Sacramento to be fair with Divac and Ranadive. They have to rely on a young core consisting out of Hield, WCS and Skal, plus two top 10 picks this year. We've seen that it takes a long time for teams like that to improve towards the late lottery (Sixers, Orlando, Wolves, Suns)

It sounds as an underwhelming offer for shortsighted fans, but letting George walk for nothing would be catastrophic. Like I said, this move would be the first step for a rebuild, sell valuable players like Thad Young, Monta Ellis, etc. and build upon Myles Turner, Pacers '17, Lakers '17/'18, Pacers '18, Kings '19, Pacers '19, talented role players and the additional picks from the trades.

Agree that there's a lot of uncertainty, but also a lot of upside with multiple top picks. Losing George for nothing will cement that franchise into treadmill territory.

Unless the Lakers trade Russell/their pick this year/Ingram/Randle for an established star. They've been irrelevant for too many years now, I'd be shocked if they tried to continue the youth movement with an unprotected pick outstanding.

The thing with the SAC pick is that it's 3 drafts away. That's a lifetime in the NBA. It may be a mid lotto pick, but what's that worth today? There are too many variables for Bird to value it as anything other than late lottery.

Who said anything about letting George walk for nothing? The Sixers aren't the only team offering something for George--the Lakers and Celtics both will investigate this in the offseason. I'd personally prefer a top 3 pick in this draft and another young asset than the offer from Philly. It's a lot easier to sell a move for a top pick in the current draft than it is to sell then on role players and future uncertain picks.

[Kolkmania]

I don't know, I see that as a very underwhelming offer.

The Lakers pick is 50-50 to convey. I'd be shocked if Magic doesn't go all in on at least one star this summer, and they could easily be a fringe playoff team next year.

2019 is 3 drafts away. It's way too hard to seriously project where the Kings will be, and eve. If it's a future top 10 pick, discounted 3 drafts to today, it's not particularly valuable.

RoCo is nice, but has 1 more year before UFA and a 20M+ contract. Noel is nice too, but same story. There's a reason he was traded for Justin Anderson and a pair of seconds.

I see it as 2 late lottery picks and 2 role players-- that doesn't net you a star and is a very hard move to sell your fans on.

Lakers pick carries over to an unprotected pick in 2018. With the Deng, Mozgov and Clarkson contracts the Lakers don't even have space to sign a great FA. A rookie and organic development within the roster isn't going to improve that team to a late lottery pick. Not sure if Lakers have the assets to trade for a star, will result in an untalented roster if done as well. I'll be surprised if they win more than 30 games next year.

I don't have any faith in Sacramento to be fair with Divac and Ranadive. They have to rely on a young core consisting out of Hield, WCS and Skal, plus two top 10 picks this year. We've seen that it takes a long time for teams like that to improve towards the late lottery (Sixers, Orlando, Wolves, Suns)

It sounds as an underwhelming offer for shortsighted fans, but letting George walk for nothing would be catastrophic. Like I said, this move would be the first step for a rebuild, sell valuable players like Thad Young, Monta Ellis, etc. and build upon Myles Turner, Pacers '17, Lakers '17/'18, Pacers '18, Kings '19, Pacers '19, talented role players and the additional picks from the trades.

Agree that there's a lot of uncertainty, but also a lot of upside with multiple top picks. Losing George for nothing will cement that franchise into treadmill territory.

Unless the Lakers trade Russell/their pick this year/Ingram/Randle for an established star. They've been irrelevant for too many years now, I'd be shocked if they tried to continue the youth movement with an unprotected pick outstanding.

The thing with the SAC pick is that it's 3 drafts away. That's a lifetime in the NBA. It may be a mid lotto pick, but what's that worth today? There are too many variables for Bird to value it as anything other than late lottery.

Who said anything about letting George walk for nothing? The Sixers aren't the only team offering something for George--the Lakers and Celtics both will investigate this in the offseason. I'd personally prefer a top 3 pick in this draft and another young asset than the offer from Philly. It's a lot easier to sell a move for a top pick in the current draft than it is to sell then on role players and future uncertain picks.

Will Paul George + Lakers roster without Russell really move the needle? Would still lead to a (nearly) capped roster, so they can't improve during free agency. Will Magic if even be willing to trade young assets if George's agent implies he's interested to sign the next year without losing assets? But I get your point, there's a chance that both picks end up underwhelming, but there's also the other end of the spectrum with two top three picks plus two young defensive specialists.

Oh sure, other franchises will investigate as well, I'm not sure which franchises are willing to part with their top 3 pick and a young talent for a win-now player like George. We'll see at the draft.

[London2Boston]

Lakers aren't a threat. They've sucked for what feels like an eternity and still haven't got anyone from the draft worth shouting loud about. If they make a trade then they will also be gutting their squad in the process and George isn't Lebron who will still be able to carry that squad. I almost hope they trade for him jus to see their excitement turn to tears.

[Darth Celtic]

Imagine the offseason for the lakers if they didn't have 33million tied up in Mosgov and the entity that ate Luo Deng for next year.

[165bows]

Imagine the offseason for the lakers if they didn't have 33million tied up in Mosgov and the entity that ate Luo Deng for next year.

Really it is so nice that Boston's front office doesn't make these kinds of brutal unforced errors these days.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Imagine the offseason for the lakers if they didn't have 33million tied up in Mosgov and the entity that ate Luo Deng for next year.

Jim Buss will be missed. They could have had room for Westbrook and George next year.

[2Mas]

Clippers lost again last night. Just playing around here .. BUT,

You think there's any chance we can do a Bradley + KO based deal for Blake?

[24istheLAW]

Clippers lost again last night. Just playing around here .. BUT,

You think there's any chance we can do a Bradley + KO based deal for Blake?

I like the Blake and I think he's a really good player.

But he and Horford are far too similar in terms of where they fit on a team with title aspirations.

You'd turbocharge the team offensively. But they'd make each other look a lot worse than they are at the other end.

[Murta]

Clippers lost again last night. Just playing around here .. BUT,

You think there's any chance we can do a Bradley + KO based deal for Blake?

We might do nothing for Blake deal this summer. Clippers are toast. Done. Blank. Empty. That team is going nowhere with Doc. It's only a question whether Griffin wants money (LA ads + Bird rights) or does he want to win enough to sacrifice 30 mil. $ or whatever.
Underrated aspect of Blake signing elsewhere is he could do 3+1 and cash in once again after 3 years. There is no way he keeps up long enough to cash in after 5.

[165bows]

Ringer piece about A. Davis.

Cites other similar players on bad teams and how they were almost all moved. Does seem somewhat inevitable.

https://theringer.com/players-like-anthony-davis-dont-stay-with-teams-like-new-orleans-bd38d5d54682#.f4wrcwgep

[Celts17Pride]

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[165bows]

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Sign and trade for Hayward, then make it happen. Arrange it 16/15/14/13, he'll be a steal by the end.

[jmr07019]

I'll take Kelly at 13/year I still think some team is gonna offer him 15 or more per year. but 13% of the cap for one of the better bench bigs in the league is a good deal

[jmr07019]

I'd much rather try to win sooner but if Indy and Chicago still have outrageous asking prices and we draft Ball or Fultz I wonder if IT could get the Knick's pick. Take Lauri, Isaac or Bridges.

[Shamrock]

Would people rather have Hayward or Griffin?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Would people rather have Hayward or Griffin?

Hayward's the better player and more durable.