DarealJuice Draft Series Part 4: Jayson Tatum

[bwgood77]

Gross. I personally want no parts of Markkanen or that tweener. Isaac I wouldn't mind though.

I don't understand why so many people (not here as much but all over realgm) are so low on Markkanen. While I don't think WE need him, I don't know how one of, if not THE best 3 pt shooting 7 foot freshman ever in college is not valuable. I mean he shot better from 3 than ANY top prospect, even all the guards. You can't block his shot. He's aIso a good rebounder. He doesn't protect the rim or play great defense, but being more of a PF than C, that's not as big of a deal. I mean he sounds an awful lot like Dirk to me. If he was on our team he'd probably be the best 3 pt shooter immediately. He was even better than Booker from 3 in college on higher volume.

Who would you say is his best NBA comparison?

He reminds me a little bit of Frank the Tank, but I could be way off base as I've only seen him play a few times. He is obviously a much better shooter than Kaminsky was at the same age.

Well I just said in the post you quoted that I've always thought he looked like Dirk. Kaminsky is not a good comp because he could barely get on the court at the same age. He's also got a lot more muscle than Frank, and likely is a better rebounder.

[Preacherpj]

I don't understand why so many people (not here as much but all over realgm) are so low on Markkanen. While I don't think WE need him, I don't know how one of, if not THE best 3 pt shooting 7 foot freshman ever in college is not valuable. I mean he shot better from 3 than ANY top prospect, even all the guards. You can't block his shot. He's aIso a good rebounder. He doesn't protect the rim or play great defense, but being more of a PF than C, that's not as big of a deal. I mean he sounds an awful lot like Dirk to me. If he was on our team he'd probably be the best 3 pt shooter immediately. He was even better than Booker from 3 in college on higher volume.

Who would you say is his best NBA comparison?

He reminds me a little bit of Frank the Tank, but I could be way off base as I've only seen him play a few times. He is obviously a much better shooter than Kaminsky was at the same age.

Well I just said in the post you quoted that I've always thought he looked like Dirk. Kaminsky is not a good comp because he could barely get on the court at the same age. He's also got a lot more muscle than Frank, and likely is a better rebounder.

Yea I don't see the Markkanen / Kaminsky comp, personally Kaminsky was a much better prospect coming out, Kaminsky was basically better at everything when he entered the league than Markkanen except 3pt% and even that was close.

Markkanen is younger which has to be accounted for, but Kaminsky had a great feel in the post that Markkanen isn't likely to develop and was also a very good passer for a big man.

I'm not a fan of Markkanen at all for where he's getting considered.

[bwgood77]

Who would you say is his best NBA comparison?

He reminds me a little bit of Frank the Tank, but I could be way off base as I've only seen him play a few times. He is obviously a much better shooter than Kaminsky was at the same age.

Well I just said in the post you quoted that I've always thought he looked like Dirk. Kaminsky is not a good comp because he could barely get on the court at the same age. He's also got a lot more muscle than Frank, and likely is a better rebounder.

Yea I don't see the Markkanen / Kaminsky comp, personally Kaminsky was a much better prospect coming out, Kaminsky was basically better at everything when he entered the league than Markkanen except 3pt% and even that was close.

Markkanen is younger which has to be accounted for, but Kaminsky had a great feel in the post that Markkanen isn't likely to develop and was also a very good passer for a big man.

I'm not a fan of Markkanen at all for where he's getting considered.

At the same age, as a freshman and even as a sophomore, Kaminsky wasn't even in the same league as Markkanen. Markkanen still shot better from 3 as a freshman than Kaminsky ever did in college. Markannen is two years younger than him coming into the league so will have two years of pro experience, development and coaching to get to where Kaminsky was as a prospect coming out after his senior year. Sure, Kaminsky was more polished, but Markkanen is taller and thicker.

[Preacherpj]

Well I just said in the post you quoted that I've always thought he looked like Dirk. Kaminsky is not a good comp because he could barely get on the court at the same age. He's also got a lot more muscle than Frank, and likely is a better rebounder.

Yea I don't see the Markkanen / Kaminsky comp, personally Kaminsky was a much better prospect coming out, Kaminsky was basically better at everything when he entered the league than Markkanen except 3pt% and even that was close.

Markkanen is younger which has to be accounted for, but Kaminsky had a great feel in the post that Markkanen isn't likely to develop and was also a very good passer for a big man.

I'm not a fan of Markkanen at all for where he's getting considered.

At the same age, as a freshman and even as a sophomore, Kaminsky wasn't even in the same league as Markkanen. Markkanen still shot better from 3 as a freshman than Kaminsky ever did in college. Markannen is two years younger than him coming into the league so will have two years of pro experience, development and coaching to get to where Kaminsky was as a prospect coming out after his senior year. Sure, Kaminsky was more polished, but Markkanen is taller and thicker.

Totally understand the age difference, but Markkanen isn't going to develop the post game that Kaminisky did by going to the league, Kaminsiky's value is that he became a player that could score at all three levels with an ability to pass and make plays for others. I don't see that with Markkanen at all, and Markkanen isn't really taller or thicker.

I think sometimes people put too much stock into projecting, sure guys develop, but the skills gap between where Lauri is right now and where Kaminisky was as a college senior is HUGE. Even as just a pure shooter, there's not much of a gap.

I really don't see Markannen as much more than a spacing big off the bench, a guy like Channing Frye -- and there's certainly value there, but not worth a top-8 lotto pick.

[bwgood77]

Yea I don't see the Markkanen / Kaminsky comp, personally Kaminsky was a much better prospect coming out, Kaminsky was basically better at everything when he entered the league than Markkanen except 3pt% and even that was close.

Markkanen is younger which has to be accounted for, but Kaminsky had a great feel in the post that Markkanen isn't likely to develop and was also a very good passer for a big man.

I'm not a fan of Markkanen at all for where he's getting considered.

At the same age, as a freshman and even as a sophomore, Kaminsky wasn't even in the same league as Markkanen. Markkanen still shot better from 3 as a freshman than Kaminsky ever did in college. Markannen is two years younger than him coming into the league so will have two years of pro experience, development and coaching to get to where Kaminsky was as a prospect coming out after his senior year. Sure, Kaminsky was more polished, but Markkanen is taller and thicker.

Totally understand the age difference, but Markkanen isn't going to develop the post game that Kaminisky did by going to the league, Kaminsiky's value is that he became a player that could score at all three levels with an ability to pass and make plays for others. I don't see that with Markkanen at all, and Markkanen isn't really taller or thicker.

I think sometimes people put too much stock into projecting, sure guys develop, but the skills gap between where Lauri is right now and where Kaminisky was as a college senior is HUGE. Even as just a pure shooter, there's not much of a gap.

I really don't see Markannen as much more than a spacing big off the bench, a guy like Channing Frye -- and there's certainly value there, but not worth a top-8 lotto pick.

I doubt you would have seen much in Kaminsky coming out after his freshman year or even his sophomore year either. No one knew what he would develop into. Weird thing is that when I saw Markkanen compared with him before people thought that was a knock on Markkanen, who has been compared to a player who had strengths similar to Dirk. I hadn't seen this take.

[Preacherpj]

At the same age, as a freshman and even as a sophomore, Kaminsky wasn't even in the same league as Markkanen. Markkanen still shot better from 3 as a freshman than Kaminsky ever did in college. Markannen is two years younger than him coming into the league so will have two years of pro experience, development and coaching to get to where Kaminsky was as a prospect coming out after his senior year. Sure, Kaminsky was more polished, but Markkanen is taller and thicker.

Totally understand the age difference, but Markkanen isn't going to develop the post game that Kaminisky did by going to the league, Kaminsiky's value is that he became a player that could score at all three levels with an ability to pass and make plays for others. I don't see that with Markkanen at all, and Markkanen isn't really taller or thicker.

I think sometimes people put too much stock into projecting, sure guys develop, but the skills gap between where Lauri is right now and where Kaminisky was as a college senior is HUGE. Even as just a pure shooter, there's not much of a gap.

I really don't see Markannen as much more than a spacing big off the bench, a guy like Channing Frye -- and there's certainly value there, but not worth a top-8 lotto pick.

I doubt you would have seen much in Kaminsky coming out after his freshman year or even his sophomore year either. No one knew what he would develop into. Weird thing is that when I saw Markkanen compared with him before people thought that was a knock on Markkanen, who has been compared to a player who had strengths similar to Dirk. I hadn't seen this take.

Oh I totally agree on Kaminsky, nobody could have predicted what he developed into; and age vs competition is definitely something to consider when evaluating college prospects.

I think my point is, what Kaminsky did is pretty rare, most players don't have that type of developmental curve, Marks would need to improve quite a bit to become that type of player - I don't think that's going to happen in the NBA where teams are going to park him outside the arc and use him as a floor spacer.

[bwgood77]

Totally understand the age difference, but Markkanen isn't going to develop the post game that Kaminisky did by going to the league, Kaminsiky's value is that he became a player that could score at all three levels with an ability to pass and make plays for others. I don't see that with Markkanen at all, and Markkanen isn't really taller or thicker.

I think sometimes people put too much stock into projecting, sure guys develop, but the skills gap between where Lauri is right now and where Kaminisky was as a college senior is HUGE. Even as just a pure shooter, there's not much of a gap.

I really don't see Markannen as much more than a spacing big off the bench, a guy like Channing Frye -- and there's certainly value there, but not worth a top-8 lotto pick.

I doubt you would have seen much in Kaminsky coming out after his freshman year or even his sophomore year either. No one knew what he would develop into. Weird thing is that when I saw Markkanen compared with him before people thought that was a knock on Markkanen, who has been compared to a player who had strengths similar to Dirk. I hadn't seen this take.

Oh I totally agree on Kaminsky, nobody could have predicted what he developed into; and age vs competition is definitely something to consider when evaluating college prospects.

I think my point is, what Kaminsky did is pretty rare, most players don't have that type of developmental curve, Marks would need to improve quite a bit to become that type of player - I don't think that's going to happen in the NBA where teams are going to park him outside the arc and use him as a floor spacer.

Perhaps not, but you put him on a team like Dallas with a rim protector defensive big in Noel and it gives you the perfect combo. A 7 footer who has a shot that is near impossible to block or even interfere at all with (similar to Dirk in that respect) and Noel covering his weaknesses.

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[bwgood77]

I'm going to move this to the Celtics forum and I'm sure they know him well enough already but some may be interested. darealjuice took so much time writing it up, I felt I should put it in the best place as I'm sure some will want to read it.