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Post#1141 » by Jordan45822 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:19 am

Saberestar wrote:According to Gambo and Ash, the offer is 4 years , begining with the 17.7 of the next year, with increases of 10.5 %.
Resume - 82.7 millions over 4 years, is an extension ala Gasol but with a little more money.

2010-11 - 17.7 m
2011-12 - 19.55 m
2012-13 - 21.6 m
2013-14 - 23.85 m


He be an idiot to not accept. Unless NJ or NY offer him a 5 year deal (which I wouldn't be surprised by).
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Post#1142 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:21 am

Saberestar wrote:According to Gambo and Ash, the offer is 4 years , begining with the 17.7 of the next year, with increases of 10.5 %.
Resume - 82.7 millions over 4 years, is an extension ala Gasol but with a little more money.

2010-11 - 17.7 m
2011-12 - 19.55 m
2012-13 - 21.6 m
2013-14 - 23.85 m

If we can dump LB i'll take it. Lou/Frye would obviously leave which i'm also fine with. We'll keep Amare for 3 years then trade him as an expiring, hopefully. Those 2013 numbers are Arenas/Lewis-esque.
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Post#1143 » by Awoooga » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:38 am

I think Amare will take 4 years 82 if it is on the table. Too much $$ to pass up.
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Post#1144 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:39 am

Awoooga wrote:I think Amare will take 4 years 82 if it is on the table. Too much $$ to pass up.



And too much to pay - if that's what we do, I'll be disappointed.
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Post#1145 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:44 am

The news of PHX not willing to take D-Lee is disheartening. I really hope we hire a GM in the next day or so because they'd know that getting David Lee for a player who's walking is a great deal. I'd rather go 5/65 for Lee than 4/82 for Amare. If Sarver is running the show thru July we're done.
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Post#1146 » by sunsfever68 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:53 am

Well if the Suns rationale is that we don't want Lee because we want to go after Dirk and try to win a title with him as opposed to Lee I agree that Dirk gives us a better chance to win it all right now.

But realistically say we sign Dirk we're going to beat the Lakers with Dirk and Lopez? I mean maybe but it's not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. If we get Dirk we have to keep Lou more so over Channing. Lou's defense and rebounding would be sorely needed. I'd like to keep Lou and Channing but if we sign Dirk we need to keep Lou around next year.

Amare I think signs the extension.


Here's the preference for me.

1. Amare signs the 4 year extension
2. Amare walks we get Dirk
3. We work a sign and Trade for Amare to a team for young players and 1st round pick
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Post#1147 » by Traxxe » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:07 am

So the last I've heard is that Amare turned down the Chicago offer but we're still talking about dollars. Don't know about the L.A. offer yet and what has been changed. The expectation is that Amare will not be a Sun within the FO.

There are a few Amare scenarios but right now everyone is waiting on Lebron. If Lebron goes to the Heat then look for Bosh to follow. Same with the Bulls. If he stays in Cleveland Bosh may for for Miami with Wade. The Knicks are interested in getting Amare and so are the Nets. Amare is a bit irritated because he's not being mentioned or considered part of the 'circle' of players dictating this free agency.

As of right now I can tell you absolutely no one knows what's going to happen. It's one big cluster.
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Post#1148 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:12 am

DirtyDez wrote:The news of PHX not willing to take D-Lee is disheartening. I really hope we hire a GM in the next day or so because they'd know that getting David Lee for a player who's walking is a great deal. I'd rather go 5/65 for Lee than 4/82 for Amare. If Sarver is running the show thru July we're done.



David Lee for 5 years :noway: Do you guys not realize how small he is? He is shorter than Amare. Wait until he meets Gasol and Bynum without any muscle game....I'll pass.

Amare for four years 28,29,30,31..He would be fine. Plus Nash, JRich and LB expire freeing up more cash. We can afford him for that price and years.
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Post#1149 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:17 am

JMac1 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:The news of PHX not willing to take D-Lee is disheartening. I really hope we hire a GM in the next day or so because they'd know that getting David Lee for a player who's walking is a great deal. I'd rather go 5/65 for Lee than 4/82 for Amare. If Sarver is running the show thru July we're done.



David Lee for 5 years :noway: Do you guys not realize how small he is? He is shorter than Amare. Wait until he meets Gasol and Bynum without any muscle game....I'll pass.

Amare for four years 28,29,30,31..He would be fine. Plus Nash, JRich and LB expire freeing up more cash. We can afford him for that price and years.

I'll take a 6-9 PF who gives me 12 boards per over a 6-10 PF who doesn't at 20 mil per.
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Post#1150 » by 7Insomniac » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:42 am

Traxxe wrote:So the last I've heard is that Amare turned down the Chicago offer but we're still talking about dollars. Don't know about the L.A. offer yet and what has been changed. The expectation is that Amare will not be a Sun within the FO.

There are a few Amare scenarios but right now everyone is waiting on Lebron. If Lebron goes to the Heat then look for Bosh to follow. Same with the Bulls. If he stays in Cleveland Bosh may for for Miami with Wade. The Knicks are interested in getting Amare and so are the Nets. Amare is a bit irritated because he's not being mentioned or considered part of the 'circle' of players dictating this free agency.

As of right now I can tell you absolutely no one knows what's going to happen. It's one big cluster.


Thanks traxxe, this is exactly how I see things playing right now.
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Post#1151 » by AZWildByNature » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:05 am

Thank you, Traxxe.

IMO, it sounds like the Suns are putting all their eggs in one basket. I would not be surprised if Amar'e walks and the Suns do not sign a replacement PF, that we could see the Suns being sold off piece by piece. I even start to wonder if Nash & Hill would want to stick around after the FO Meltdown and the Suns striking out on FAs.
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Post#1152 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:20 am

DirtyDez wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:The news of PHX not willing to take D-Lee is disheartening. I really hope we hire a GM in the next day or so because they'd know that getting David Lee for a player who's walking is a great deal. I'd rather go 5/65 for Lee than 4/82 for Amare. If Sarver is running the show thru July we're done.



David Lee for 5 years :noway: Do you guys not realize how small he is? He is shorter than Amare. Wait until he meets Gasol and Bynum without any muscle game....I'll pass.

Amare for four years 28,29,30,31..He would be fine. Plus Nash, JRich and LB expire freeing up more cash. We can afford him for that price and years.

I'll take a 6-9 PF who gives me 12 boards per over a 6-10 PF who doesn't at 20 mil per.


He might get you 15 rebs from all of the shots he'll be missing going against Gasol and Bynum.
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Post#1153 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:41 am

Traxxe wrote:So the last I've heard is that Amare turned down the Chicago offer but we're still talking about dollars. Don't know about the L.A. offer yet and what has been changed. The expectation is that Amare will not be a Sun within the FO.

There are a few Amare scenarios but right now everyone is waiting on Lebron. If Lebron goes to the Heat then look for Bosh to follow. Same with the Bulls. If he stays in Cleveland Bosh may for for Miami with Wade. The Knicks are interested in getting Amare and so are the Nets. Amare is a bit irritated because he's not being mentioned or considered part of the 'circle' of players dictating this free agency.

As of right now I can tell you absolutely no one knows what's going to happen. It's one big cluster.


Thank you for the information Traxxe.

First off - Gambo reported the Suns do not have interest in Lee. I have no problem with Sarver being fiscally responsible and not signing -- overpaying for Lee just to fill the shoes. As long as in two weeks he doesn't go "marcus banks" and panics and sign some player. One year deal, fine. But if its not the right fit, don't do it

Second, - the Nowitzki thing. Now, the team would have to trade LB (which means probably moving a first rounder in 2012); renouncing Frye, Louis and Amare to get it done. In some ways, its appealing as I think Dirk and Nash are better and smarter players then there time in Dallas. Plus Lopez would be possibly the best center Dirk has ever played with. So, worse options then Dirk. I give this like 5-10% chance of happening; maybe less.

It will be interesting. I have read Jason Maxiel and Chris Wilcox are available but that might mean taking Rip Hamiltons contract. So that would be LB and JRich for Maxiel, Wilcox and Rip - but I don't like the long term deals for any of the guys coming back - so forget that idea.
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Post#1154 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:42 am

DirtyDez wrote:The news of PHX not willing to take D-Lee is disheartening. I really hope we hire a GM in the next day or so because they'd know that getting David Lee for a player who's walking is a great deal. I'd rather go 5/65 for Lee than 4/82 for Amare. If Sarver is running the show thru July we're done.


where did you see that we didn't want Lee? Last I read was that Sarver like him, a lot

edit - sorry, missed the Gambo reference. Honestly, I don't credit anything the guy says - too many on-air hours to fill with not nearly enough actual news. He's paid to keep talking, not to be accurate. Just the nature of talk radio

however, I also don't know how reliable the story that Sarver was hot for Lee is, either.

Lee would not be entirely thrilled, as he has a nice life in NY, a beautiful GF and he's a young, star athlete. But PHX is anice place to be, too, especially if you're rich, and I bet he wouldn't mind winning
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Post#1155 » by Nando88 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:48 am

JohnVancouver wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:The news of PHX not willing to take D-Lee is disheartening. I really hope we hire a GM in the next day or so because they'd know that getting David Lee for a player who's walking is a great deal. I'd rather go 5/65 for Lee than 4/82 for Amare. If Sarver is running the show thru July we're done.


where did you see that we didn't want Lee? Last I read was that Sarver like him, a lot


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Post#1156 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:51 am

Thanks - Twitter or radio, I still say we shouldn't take anything Gambo says as gospel.
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Post#1157 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:52 am

AZWildByNature wrote:Thank you, Traxxe.

IMO, it sounds like the Suns are putting all their eggs in one basket. I would not be surprised if Amar'e walks and the Suns do not sign a replacement PF, that we could see the Suns being sold off piece by piece. I even start to wonder if Nash & Hill would want to stick around after the FO Meltdown and the Suns striking out on FAs.


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Post#1158 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:06 am

Traxxe wrote:So the last I've heard is that Amare turned down the Chicago offer but we're still talking about dollars. Don't know about the L.A. offer yet and what has been changed. The expectation is that Amare will not be a Sun within the FO.

There are a few Amare scenarios but right now everyone is waiting on Lebron. If Lebron goes to the Heat then look for Bosh to follow. Same with the Bulls. If he stays in Cleveland Bosh may for for Miami with Wade. The Knicks are interested in getting Amare and so are the Nets. Amare is a bit irritated because he's not being mentioned or considered part of the 'circle' of players dictating this free agency.

As of right now I can tell you absolutely no one knows what's going to happen. It's one big cluster.



Thanks for the info! :D
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Post#1159 » by ruiner » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:14 am

JohnVancouver wrote:Thanks - Twitter or radio, I still say we shouldn't take anything Gambo says as gospel.


Coro also tweeted after him that Lee's deemed to pricey for a stepback.
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Post#1160 » by havsum » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:21 am

Traxxe wrote:So the last I've heard is that Amare turned down the Chicago offer but we're still talking about dollars. Don't know about the L.A. offer yet and what has been changed. The expectation is that Amare will not be a Sun within the FO.



How can Chicago or L.A. offer anything right now?

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