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WHAT WILL ALEX MERUELO CHANGE FIRST?

A Real GM
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A Real Head Coach
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A Real Center
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Post#41 » by drmaryb » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:01 pm

WHAT IS A MAN TO DO?

Is Alex Meruelo: Buying or Selling?

In other words, is Meruelo BUYING that The Hawks are an ELITE team that is only lacking a piece here and there!

Or, is Meruelo SELLING that notion, and will look to dismantle the bally-hooed CORE, by replacing the GM and COACH first and foremost?

I would like to know what you expert fan bloggers think?
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Post#42 » by Ruhiel » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:03 pm

drmaryb wrote:
by Ruhiel on Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:23 pm

How about another option drmaryb.

A real power forward who can dribble, draw fouls, and stretch the floor.



Drawing fouls is a good part of Josh's game and making the FT's is an OK skill he has.

Exactly

What does that say about the Atlanta Hawks.
MIN â–¾FTA
Josh Smith 2645 316
Jamal Crawford 2297 260
Joe Johnson 2554 243
Al Horford 2704 188
Zaza Pachulia 1244 179

Stretching the floor? Yikes! Josh should not be working on that during games.


"When they started double-teaming Joe we tried to space the floor. This was one of those games where we could have used Kirk, could have used Josh Smith. Because one thing those guys can do is space the floor. We turned down some shots out of the double team which we can’t do. If they double team and you get an open look you’ve got to take the shot. We had some guys that were a little bit reluctant."
- Larry Drew on Josh Smith's responsibility in the motion offense

If you want to look at Kevin Love, well he is superior to Josh at PF. I would do that trade straight up!

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WS/48
LeBron James-MIA 0.244
Dwight Howard-ORL 0.236
Pau Gasol-LAL 0.232
Chris Paul-NOH 0.232
Tyson Chandler-DAL 0.218
Dwyane Wade-MIA 0.218
Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 0.213
Kevin Love-MIN 0.210
Al Horford-ATL 0.179

Defense aside who wouldn't?

Ruhiel, [one of] our problem[s] is clearly at the Center position. The Hawks are just too small in the defensive post.

+1
Between Josh and Al the combined points scored is fine, I just wish they both scored primarily in the post and [/quote]

but they don't come playoffs this is the result after FOUR YEARS:
pts trb ast
11.5 8.7 2.7 Big Al 1385 minutes, 4years
15.5 8.0 2.6 Smith 1477 minutes, 4years

Al is definitely a stretch [4] in that regard. Al's problem is no handles and no low post offensive move s to score against anyone, at anytime in the post, this is more obvious against bigger opponents, e.g. Noah, Dwight, or other players of that ilk.


What four do you know can't handle the ball, still can't post up after Ilyasova debacle over a YEAR ago, cant drive past smaller defenders. Who?
Either he doesn't care about the postseason or he cant post up and dribble at the same time.
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We need a Real GM
We need a Real Coach

+1000
Our Hawks have too many duplicitous players and someone needs to be moved to balance the roster.
+1000 agreed
Jamal SG/PG
Teague PG
Hinrich PG
Joe SG/PG
Marvin SG
Josh PF/SF
Al PF
Z.P. C

We need to shake up this entire roster and get some players who KNOW their roles and some role players who are specialist to spell the starters and defend/rebound/shoot high percentages.xx


You must be stealing my material :lol:

In the NBA Playoffs you put your players in position to score by the pivot. This way if they miss you have offensive rebound % players.


Hasheem Thabeet's #s come from his rookie 883 minutes
Jordan Hill's #s come from when he was motivated in Houston. He's from ATL so we could motivate him in addition to consistent minutes in 10 man rotation.

Malcolm Thomas and Motiejunas #s are common numbers.
Yi Jianlian and Hakim Warrick's do those rebounding #s.
The shooting #s are asy if you have a post game that gets you free throws. IE tall guy (Motiejunas) or long guy (Elton Brand, David West) shows a very high pump fake, short or slow guy defending him thinks he'll shoot, jumps in air, PF drives and gets fouled.
No fake? Tall guy shoots over him. Its an either or proposition.

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Horford I suspect shoots a high percentage by being opportunistic rather than creating. WHen he is forced to create against a defender his numbers fall into flux.

We all see he just doesnt have the rare length or skill to create separation by himself. His post moves are as good as theyll get considering his physical gifts!
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Post#43 » by drmaryb » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:28 pm

[quote]Too Much Good Stuff!

Ruhiel, you bringing all that fire, passion, facts and stats? Thank You! I really appreciate all the research and admire the hard work that goes into gathering all that good information. So, Yeah!
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Man, I've been my banging drum hard over on the Beat Blog for many years. I really miss Sekou, he was undeniable at his craft. At any rate, IF I had a dollar for every time I heard, LONG & ATHLETIC when describing The Hawks? I would have enough money the buy the team myself!

I'm glad you agree with my ideas about this so called interchangeable parts rosters. We need some WINNERS man, we don't need any LOSERS!

Those 13 - 15 roster spots must be like Rod Blagoevich said in regards to Obama's vacant Senate Seat in Washington, "This is a very valuable THING! We can't just GIVE it away."

Aye Meruelo! Knock it off with all the b!tch-bench stuff:

Etan Thomas
Hilton Armstrong
Randolph Morris
Jason Collins

We need some real role players/specialist on this team:

Sam Perkins
Adrian Dantley
Vinnie Microwave Johnson
AC Green
Jerome Kersey
Xavier McDaniels
Anthony Mason
PJ Brown
Michael Cooper
Robert Horry

We could do this all day, but you get the point.
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Post#44 » by Ruhiel » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:28 pm

Shot Locations
At Rim 3-9 Feet 10-15 Feet 16-23 Feet
Min M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As
35.1 2.9 4.1 70.4 61.3 1.2 2.6 46.7 54.0 0.5 1.4 37.1 60.5 1.1 2.2 48.0 90.9
35.1 2.3 3.1 74.2 58.4 1.1 2.4 43.8 39.5 0.7 1.5 44.5 66.0 2.6 4.8 53.0 92.5
- Al Horford, 2010, 2011


All this time people were quoting Hoopdata... Horford has 90% of his "spacing" shots assisted. He cant create on his own.

Spoonfed like a baby. Those are role player #s.

Kevin Love, a guy people say is unathletic only was at 90% once in his career and even then he takes it inside more every year.
Notice the minute increase yet the attempts stay at 1.8. Why? Because that's one of the worst shots in basketball. Little chance to get fouled, floor spacing is not there compared to 3 pt. line and you're not in position to pivot (drop step) and draw fouls.

What love did increase was his inside scoring, and lowering his need for assisted shots in mid-range meaning what?

He increased his isolation moves. Something Horford has still not proved capable of 4 years in. Come playoffs Horford becomes a role player because he needs to be assisted on everything.
At Rim 3-9 Feet 10-15 Feet 16-23 Feet
Min M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As
25.3 2.4 4.5 55.0 51.0 0.6 1.2 45.0 55.6 0.2 0.7 31.0 77.8 0.7 1.8 37.0 90.6
28.7 2.6 4.6 56.2 45.8 0.7 1.7 41.7 53.5 0.3 0.9 32.1 58.8 0.7 1.8 38.0 75.6
35.8 3.1 5.2 60.1 53.7 1.3 3.0 41.9 50.5 0.4 1.0 34.2 30.8 0.6 1.8 34.0 64.4
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Post#45 » by drmaryb » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:54 pm

BOMBS AWAY!

Ruhiel!, hold on I wait!

Allegedly, Al said next year he is going to add the 3 point shot to his game's repertoire. Is Al attempting to avoid all contact, by any means necessary? Do we really need a BIG shooting threes?

I guess Joe was right when he said, "We're all jump shooters! It is what it is."

I look to the head coach to dispel such a notion. Say what you will, but Mr. Woodson had his BIGS glued to the paint or they were nailed to the bench! No doubt about it. IDK about that pentangle/princeton offense, I'm just not that smart. But, I do know this team stopped moving without the ball after about 23 games into this thing last season. The ball moved a lot less too.

IDK why Al was pounding the air out of the ball in the post, made NO quick step moves and then threw it to Josh standing behind the 3 point line with 3 seconds on the shot clock - all those plays. Or, why Josh never came to the ball to give Al a passing lane close in or a shot attempt around the hoop.

I just don't know why?
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Post#46 » by Ruhiel » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:06 pm

One person Hawks fans should really be excited about is Malcolm Thomas, he has the proportions of a true pivot SF.

6'8.5 7'2 wingspan Hakim Warrick high scoring pivot man with 56% true shooting
6'8.5 7'0.5 wingspan Richard Jefferson 56% true shooting
6'8.5 7'1.5 wingspan Danny Granger 56% true shooting
6'8.5 7'2 wingspan Malcolm Thomas ??? 6'9 pivot SF/PF

Malcolm could make Josh compete for minutes, has more length to shoot a higher percentage, and run faster in transition.
Unfortunately he went undrafted because he was pigeonholed at PF.
But guys with his physical tools develop to play the same style.

Here's footage from the Drew League with NBA guys Nick Young and Javale McGee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKosBf3gn-o

Like Josh at the SF too big for wings and if they switch the PF onto him you post up the SF with Jordan Hill or Motiejunas and Thomas is a better knockdown shooter. So Smith will have to work for his ;)
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Offense and Defense Comparisons

-110 is common for a good isolation specialist. They take up shots and hit a good rate.
Shoots a lot but low percentage because he isos so much. His defense? yuk.

weaknesses: more suited to defend sfs with his length. More suited
OFF DEF
119 109 Dantley career
112 108 James Worthy career
109 110 Hakim Warrick career, more suited at SF so he can foul guys out before they score
110 109 Carmelo Anthony's 2 best years
110 108 Carmelo Anthony's 2 best years
111 110 Xavier McDaniel's best year (couldn't defend)
108 107 Bernard King, 23ppg career scoring rate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6KwsleD_0#t=0m30s homing missile to the rim > Josh
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Post#47 » by Ruhiel » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:16 pm

Al is Amare without the length to dribble around or shoot high release.

Believe it or not they both had the same vertical when drafted.

If you ask any Knicks/Suns fan Amare Stoudemire is very mechanical in his post and like Al is called soft.

The only difference is Al doesn't have that one inch that would let him do stuff like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnwNRtcnsBA

If Horford had one inch more length he'd be that much more robotic but he'd have the tools to shoot over people and attempt those kind of one handed dunks
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Post#48 » by drmaryb » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:13 am

Over Yonder!


kito Benson playing in Italy can only help his game and the Hawks! If he can pattern his game after Theo Ratliff, Benson should carve out a nice career for himself. All he needs to do is gain muscle and sneaky strength (ala The Worm) and he should be able to worm is way around for some rebounds to add to those blocks!

One can only hope!
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Post#49 » by Ruhiel » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:12 am

Yeah I noticed the Theo Ratliff draft weight. He is taller than Theo so he'll probably have worse dribbling but... maybe he can make it up with strength...Hopefully he is not a skinny gunner...Theo's offensive awareness and defense as well were solid.
I liked him from when he was with the 76ers but his game deteriorated with his athleticism.
He even showed up on one of my "elite defensive center" queries just confirming his "adequateness".

Hopefully Benson can Defend and score on both PF and center. Like Theo.

One can hope.
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Post#50 » by drmaryb » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:37 am

Ruhiel wrote:Yeah I noticed the Theo Ratliff draft weight. He is taller than Theo so he'll probably have worse dribbling but... maybe he can make it up with strength...Hopefully he is not a skinny gunner...Theo's offensive awareness and defense as well were solid.
I liked him from when he was with the 76ers but his game deteriorated with his athleticism.
He even showed up on one of my "elite defensive center" queries just confirming his "adequateness".

Hopefully Benson can Defend and score on both PF and center. Like Theo.

One can hope.


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Yeah my new friend, Ruhiel, we seem to think ALIKE when it come to what the Hawks need.. The only difference is I'm unable to gather all the Stats & Facts like you do. That is way above my pay - grade! LOL!

Now, Theo had some pelvis issues, was never properly diagnosed, corrected and rehabilitated. Some teams have superior medical staffers than others. Phoenix seems to be an ELITE organization in the rehab - rooms conversely, Portland has always been the grave yard for bad knees, going back as far as Sam Bowie! The #1 Draft Bust of all time ahead of Michael Jordan picked at #5 (I think?) All the way down to The #1 Draft Bust - Greg Oden over Kevin Durant! (smdh) Go Figure - right?

Anyway, Theo Ratliff suffered from a "sprung pelvis" which is extremely rare and difficult to diagnose, because nothing really jumps out at you on X-Ray or MRI. But, I treated a similar case in my office this Summer. A high school kid crashed on his Street Styled Skate Board routine. When I diagnosed him, I thought of Theo Ratliff and his time before and with the Hawks.

Kito Benson should give us something similar to him and hopefully, not what we saw from Solomon Jones, Randolph Morris, Hilton Armstrong and probably Magnum Rolle type role players. Those latter guys just don't fit the bill for me anyways.

Now, PJ Brown, Jerome Kersey, Anthony Mason, AC Green, Kevin Willis, Antoine Carr? ....
We getting warm. Those guys played for a lot more than money - they played for the ladies! LOL!
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Post#51 » by brigadierjerry » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:49 pm

Ruhiel,

Sorry been away for awhile. Was looking for another gig and found one so been busy with that and family.. My comment is if Horford had the type of offense Amare had he would get criticized less so. Both are not good defensive players but Amara is much better offensively. Living up here in the North I see a lot of Amare Horford actually has a bit of a better move as far as hook shot in the post than Amare but as you stated Amare is quicker to get his shot off and jumps higher.

My question is what type of player do you want Smith to become or pattern his game after? Also where do you see Teague?Do you see him as a Jameer Nelson type of player or someone different?

Drmaryb, Good to hear from you!!
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Post#52 » by Ruhiel » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:54 pm

brigadierjerry wrote:Ruhiel,

Sorry been away for awhile. Was looking for another gig and found one so been busy with that and family.. My comment is if Horford had the type of offense Amare had he would get criticized less so. Both are not good defensive players but Amara is much better offensively. Living up here in the North I see a lot of Amare Horford actually has a bit of a better move as far as hook shot in the post than Amare but as you stated Amare is quicker to get his shot off and jumps higher.

It's more about reach than vertical, espicially with all Amare's injuries. Wingspan can help your leaping or hurt it. It often gives the illusion of jumping high.
IE A guy like Kahwi Leonard is a great dunker and as a pg you always llook out for him in leakout situations. How ever he only has a 28" running vertical. This is because he has the wings of a 7'3 guy on a 6'7 body. It messes his running motion up as far as vert but he really doesnt need it.

In Amare, Horford's or similar guys like Marreese Speights and Jordan Hill they all have similar running motions and vertical.
Horford has to dunk with two hands and has developed in the opposite direction. As opposed to a scorer Horford has become a passer. Also he is seemingly more stockier and while he might not make a game changing block or alter a shot on Derrick Rose with his athleticism or Boozer with his 7'2 length and high shooting motion he is a bit more solid on defense due to awareness, defensive boards and a seemingly stockier build. He just cant contest shots.


[quote]My question is what type of player do you want Smith to become or pattern his game after?[quote]
I think Smith has gotten it, he patterned his game on posting up, crashing boards and shooting the short jumper (17 feet). He developed the either or proposition in the post. You shoot a hook shot over him or fakes to go around.
These fundamentals without realizing it makes him similar to a Gerald Wallace.

Problem is his body is hampering his skills. His 1st step is too slow. His stamina deteriorated, thus he is prone to settling for his jumper.

I'd like him to pattern his body after Kobe Bryant or Carmelo Anthony, who has more skill than him yet never allows his weight to slack off for it. Part of his new size was for rebounding, but his overall game does not translate to postseason w.o athleticism.
His pace needs to be higher than 'everyone else' because he's just not as skilled to be playing slow down halfcourt ball, w/o a first step. I mean he played the SF in playoffs and how many leakouts did he get where he just had 1 half step advantage and outran Luol Deng.

His game will improve with him slimming up. Optimally he's a younger, bigger Gerald Wallace.
But as is he's a tad slow on both sides of the ball and it piles up into losses.

[quote]Also where do you see Teague?Do you see him as a Jameer Nelson type of player or someone different?[quote]
Optimally see him as part of a 2-headed monster with the aging Hinrich. He helps us preserve Hinrich for playoffs and maybe we can extend Hinrich if it works.

Teague
+free throw ability
+operate a drive and dish system with Joe Johnson and a shooting PF who gets OFF.boards as well.
+ floater
+ drive off of a big man screen layups
+transition layups
+ feed the post
+ slash off the ball
- needs to learn how to rebound better to start break himself
- lacks pull up jumper and hesitation dribble off pick and roll

His numbers were good for playoffs but he (and the coaching staff) need to realize that him scoring is not as good as him passing.

If we had D-Mo we could just hand him the reigns and let him be a Chauncey Billups. As long as we play Teague through mistakes and develop him on ball he'll be even more impact player come playoffs.

But in the current scenario how does he coexist with Josh, Horford, Joe, and center?
With no spacing we'll go back to Marvin Williams and then when Teague starts deferring to Marvin we'll go with Hinrich.
A defensive slashing guard like Teague you can see his flaws. But Hinrich is more experienced and gives the impression of controlling game simply because hes aware.
However Hinrich has his flaws as well.

Unless we put Teague in position to be more of the sole offensive initiator (vs 3 guard lineups) his development will probably not go well.
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Post#53 » by drmaryb » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:48 pm

brigadierjerry wrote:Ruhiel,

Sorry been away for awhile. Was looking for another gig and found one so been busy with that and family.. My comment is if Horford had the type of offense Amare had he would get criticized less so. Both are not good defensive players but Amara is much better offensively. Living up here in the North I see a lot of Amare Horford actually has a bit of a better move as far as hook shot in the post than Amare but as you stated Amare is quicker to get his shot off and jumps higher.

My question is what type of player do you want Smith to become or pattern his game after? Also where do you see Teague?Do you see him as a Jameer Nelson type of player or someone different?

Drmaryb, Good to hear from you!!



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Briggs! Like they say ... IF you want something done right! - YOU have to do it yourself!
The AJC Blog has become a one man trolling festival. I no longer have the privilege of posting under my own established user I'd on that blog site. (smh)

Thank God for The Real GM Blog Site! I really enjoyed your comments on this thread and Ruhiel's respones to them. I read them last night before retiring. I would love to jump into that conversation, however, I have to pay some bills this morning.

Glad to hear you are well! Equally pleased to hear that Kito Benson is working on his body and game skills in Italy. Too bad he can't take Marvin with him and leave him there permanently.
I'm very excited about the Hawks new owner and look forward to all the changes that are coming our way.

One can only hope Mr. Meruelo takes this franchise in the right direction as the regression began last season in a downward spiral under ASKG, Sund and Drew.
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Post#54 » by brigadierjerry » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:14 pm

drmaryb wrote:
brigadierjerry wrote:Ruhiel,

Sorry been away for awhile. Was looking for another gig and found one so been busy with that and family.. My comment is if Horford had the type of offense Amare had he would get criticized less so. Both are not good defensive players but Amara is much better offensively. Living up here in the North I see a lot of Amare Horford actually has a bit of a better move as far as hook shot in the post than Amare but as you stated Amare is quicker to get his shot off and jumps higher.

My question is what type of player do you want Smith to become or pattern his game after? Also where do you see Teague?Do you see him as a Jameer Nelson type of player or someone different?

Drmaryb, Good to hear from you!!



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Briggs! Like they say ... IF you want something done right! - YOU have to do it yourself!
The AJC Blog has become a one man trolling festival. I no longer have the privilege of posting under my own established user I'd on that blog site. (smh)

Thank God for The Real GM Blog Site! I really enjoyed your comments on this thread and Ruhiel's respones to them. I read them last night before retiring. I would love to jump into that conversation, however, I have to pay some bills this morning.

Glad to hear you are well! Equally pleased to hear that Kito Benson is working on his body and game skills in Italy. Too bad he can't take Marvin with him and leave him there permanently.
I'm very excited about the Hawks new owner and look forward to all the changes that are coming our way.

One can only hope Mr. Meruelo takes this franchise in the right direction as the regression began last season in a downward spiral under ASKG, Sund and Drew.


Drmaryb,

yeah unfortunately the AJC hawks board quality has gone down the tubes as of late. I dont really post on there anymore i just read the comments. Also here on realgm trolls will usually get called out and a better chance they will get banned here since this board is constantly have moderators.
drmaryb let me ask you since you live in ATL. I ask my brother and other relatives who live down there. What do you think would attract the Hawks to become more attractive or maketable to fans?Is it they need a star, team has to be say what the Braves was in the 90's or the Falcons recently?

Ruhiel,

You made a good comment about Smith and you seem to have realized Smith or Horford has to go. I also agree with you Smith needs to get in better shape, he seemed to have lost some of his athleticism. I remember when Melo was out of shape one year. He bulked up his body and got in shape. You know I am not sure Smith will ever reach his potential but in my opinion Horford has reached his. Smith reminds me in some ways how Lebron has become with some lack of athleticism he is losing as well but Lebron is talented enough he can make up for it. Smith to me at times looked very sluggish as if he had trouble running up and down the court and now he should be reaching his prime but he seems to be getting worse athletically and he isnt even 30 as of yet. I also agree with your comments on the topic of marketing the Hawks trying to do the Nets thing of focusing on the other teams stars wont work.

Also what of your thoughts comparing Smith and Zack Randolph?
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Post#55 » by Ruhiel » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:28 pm

Well thats comparing an SF to a PF!

Randolph is around 6'10 and carries weight better than Smith. Randolph has a 6'11 wingspan and thus a more natural compact shooting stroke and a lower dribble.

Smith's stroke has a longer windup and he dribbles higher than Randolph and as he got bigger his shot became more of a set shot and he got worse off the dribble.

Smith ideally would lose that weight and be an SF version of Randolph getting layups, muscling and second jumping for offensive rebounds when he does miss and having a nice consistent ten foot jumpshot on the baseline. Emphasis on 'jump'.

This is without touching his decreased block #s and end to end transition buckets/assists.
He peaked in 2009,2010 as far as making his teammates better and end to end play. The only way he can get better is losing weight and playing with 'go-to-scorers' who take pressure off of him and let him be a pinch hitter more often as opposed to averaging 3 assists (he'll also give you 2 turnovers).

The small ball with Smith was a Great team construction for a fantasy league team bad for playoff basketball. Smith needs his role minimized to a Zach Randolph SF, low post, baseline jumper, always in position to get FTA and rebounds. Athleticism for game changing blocks, feed Teague for the break with Joe {and Motiejunas for THREE!}.
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Post#56 » by brigadierjerry » Fri Sep 2, 2011 1:44 am

Ruhiel,

I want to ask you who do you think is a better player Lamarcus Aldrige or Horford?
Also, can you compare Al Horfrod to the likes of Otis Thorpe, Antonio Davis, Michael Cage, Xavier Mcdaniel, Armon Gillian, Jayson Williams and Buck Williams as far as their peak years?

Also someone mentioned on the General Forum post if you replaced Al Horford with Chris Bosh the Hawks would be a better team, would you agree with that?That is interesting question to me. Actually if the Hawks and Heat ever made a trade with each other not that it would ever happen between Bosh and Horford, I actually think it would work well for both teams


Also, one of the biggest problems with that Hawks are that their go to player which is Joe Johnson doesnt get to the line enough in big spots and has the mentality of a blend in player than a put the player of my back type of player. Aside from the fact that Smith doesnt seem as quick, Horford is a 3-4th option at best and he doesnt take the ball to the basket. Smith if he had his head on straight and was in better shape could be a 2nd-3rd option if paired with a star player but I am not sure if will ever see Smith true potential. Horford every one know what he can do and cant do but i feel that we have seen the best of Horford. I am not sure we have seen the best of smith but I do not think we ever will because his problem is between his ears and he thinks he is better than he really is. He is the type of player that needs a drill sergent next to him all the time to keep his head in the game.
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Post#57 » by Ruhiel » Sat Sep 3, 2011 6:09 am

sorry brigadierjerry for the long response delay
brigadierjerry wrote:Ruhiel,

I want to ask you who do you think is a better player Lamarcus Aldrige or Horford?



Also, can you compare Al Horford to the likes of Otis Thorpe, Antonio Davis, Michael Cage, Xavier Mcdaniel, Armon Gillian, Jayson Williams and Buck Williams as far as their peak years?

I've seen a handful of those names today in a Player Season Finder. Horford is likely "superior" role player than those guys. Why? McDaniels was an SF, Buck was 6'8. Thorpe was more fluid and a better offensive rebounder but iirc Horford is more involved passing wise.

I will check but why? What attribute are you looking for?

Also someone mentioned on the General Forum post if you replaced Al Horford with Chris Bosh the Hawks would be a better team, would you agree with that? That is interesting question to me. Actually if the Hawks and Heat ever made a trade with each other not that it would ever happen between Bosh and Horford, I actually think it would work well for both teams


They are similar to equal in value. Bosh shoots the same percentage as Al but shoots more.
Mobility wise this is funny too Horford is a tad awkward and stocky but Bosh is very awkward via being long/gangly.
A 7'0 in Dirk smothered him defensively. The problem with Bosh is he's like Carmelo. Built perfect for offense and knocking down jumpers at a HoF efficiency but obviously can't defend as well as you'd expect a near 7'0.
Lot of scorers aren't built for defense. Bosh reminds me of a shorter Garnett.

Our problem with Bosh would be we still have no center. We get offense that Horford didn't have but get worse on defense. Is Bosh's shooting good enough to overcome his defense? idk

All Heat need is one more defensive spark at PF/C. I would never trade with the Heat but they are likely near equal in value. Gangly Bosh is also a worse rebounder than Al.

Also, one of the biggest problems with that Hawks are that their go to player which is Joe Johnson doesnt get to the line enough in big spots and has the mentality of a blend in player than a put the player of my back type of player.

Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Joe Johnson are all the same height. Rudy Gay has a 7'3 wingspan and can't defend.
Hall of Famer Lebron James can't post up. It seems once you get to 6'8 something has to give :lol:

Johnson's only as good as the shots he takes. Ideally we drive and dish all day for 3 and take his isos away. He should be going for 3 point plays always. Of course he tries to get to the line but he is 6'8 has tiny arms by NBA standard and is tall. How many players take over with that combination?

Johnson's game is perfectly fine if he gets Teague and Josh and ONE MORE FORWARD to dribble drive for him he'd be open all day. Having 3 slashers and transition leaders would get Joe open as much as the guy people always say should play with him, Lebron.

7'3.5 Marvin Williams < 6'11 Motiejunas
Off of measurements I reckon Motiejunas would lead the break and complement more than Marvin.
Off of video its a no-brainer.

Aside from the fact that Smith doesnt seem as quick, Horford is a 3-4th option at best and he doesnt take the ball to the basket. Smith if he had his head on straight and was in better shape could be a 2nd-3rd option if paired with a star player but I am not sure if will ever see Smith true potential.
I agree on Horford as a 4th option, his role is assisting.
But on no team is Josh consistently a 2nd option. His use is at 25%. If 25% of our possessions are his transition dunk attempts, and offensive putbacks then fine but this is what I have.

dunkers/inside= Teague+20% Smith+ 22.5% Thabeet+ 10% = 52.5%
Joe Johnsons= Johnson+ 25% Motiejunas+ 22.5% = 47.5%

I have "2010 Smith" no more jumpers or slow first steps
Back to lighter weight and getting dunks crashing boards and slashing for hooks and being opportunistic but just dribbling to make passes for others Donatas + Joe for three.
Or Teague for pull up. :D

Key: 82games says his best pass is to guys for 3. I agree. We lose Crawford's defense and inconsistent slashing and gain another 235lb PF with better man to man defense and CAN space. But can also slash off of Joe and Josh and gets fouled easily.
The shot distribution is so simple and natural for everyone.

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Horford every one know what he can do and cant do but i feel that we have seen the best of Horford.

3 years in college=mature. Here's Al's assessment 3 years back:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=852559&start=15

I am not sure we have seen the best of smith but I do not think we ever will because his problem is between his ears and he thinks he is better than he really is.

Smith at his best was in 2010, a bigger slower Gerald Wallace. Phenomenal shot blocker. 4th best defensive anchor. He and Motiejunas are two 235lb Slashing point forwards.
in the scheme.

We don't need a true star, just one more guy who gets double teamed and make them pay at the rim or from three.

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