RealGM Top 100 List -- 2011

[ElGee]

Updated In/Out runs from the project:


Allen 2007 (27g) 3.8 to -1.7
Allen 2002 (13g) 1.8 to 0.1
Allen 2004 (26g) 1.7 to -0.1
Allen 2008 (9g) -4.2 to 9.8
Anthony 2010 (13g) 3.5 to 4.6
Anthony 2007 (17g) 2.2 to 1.8
Anthony 2009 (16g) 1.1 to 3.6
Anthony Den 2011 (32g) -4.9 to 2.9
Anthony NYK 2011 (55g) 1.6 to 1.9
Barkley 1994 (17g) 7.8 to 6.5
Barkley 1996 (11g) 4.9 to 1.0
Barkley 1997 (29g) 3.4 to 5.7
Barkley 1987 (14g) 2.9 to 0.3
Barkley 1991 (15g) 1.2 to 0.0
Barkley 1995 (14g) 0.1 to 3.9
Baylor 1962 (32g) 4.5 to 4
Baylor 1966 (16g) 0.4 to 3.2
Billups 2007 (12g) 3.3 to 4.6
Bird 1991 (22g) 8.0 to 8.0
Bird 1992 (22g) 3.5 to 4.5
Brand 2001 (8g) 6.1 to -8.5
Brand 2003 (20g) 3.7 to -3.2
Brand 2004 (13g) -1.4 to -4.8
Carter 2001 (7g) 9.5 to 3.1
Carter 2004 (9g) 8.7 to -2.1
Carter 2003 (39g) 3.9 to -4.0
Carter 2002 (22g) -1.0 to -0.7
Cowens 1975 (17g) 2.6 to 6.3
Cowens 1977 (30g) 0.9 to -1.6
Dantley 1985 (26g) 4.3 to 1.3
Dantley 1980 (12g) -0.6 to -6.1
Dantley 1988 (13g) -2.0 to 4.9
Dantley 1983 (59g) -2.1 to -6.0
Dantley 1979 (20g) 4 to 4.1
Dantley Det 1989 (40g) -3.6 to 4.1
Drexler 1990 (9g) 8.3 to 7.2
Drexler 1996 (30g) 1.4 to 0.5
Drexler 1994 (18g) 0.4 to 2.6
Drexler 1993 (33g) -1.0 to 2.7
Dumars 1994 (13g) 7.2 to -6.6
Dumars 1990 (7g) 6.6 to 6.6
Dumars 1995 (15g) 5.7 to -6.2
Dumars 1989 (13g) -0.7 to 7.1
Dumars 1989-1991 (22g) 0.6 to 5.3
Duncan 2005 (16g) 11.2 to 10.0
Duncan 2004-05 (29g) 8.2 to 9.0
Duncan 2004 (13g) 4.7 to 8.0
Duncan 2000 (8g) 0.2 to 6.0
English Den 1980 1 to -3.7
English Ind 1980 -0.9 to -1
Erving 1973 (12g) 7.1 to 0.6
Erving 1983 (8g)* 6.7 to 8.4
Erving 1978 (9g) -2 to 4.9
Ewing 1987 (19g) 7.1 to -4.6
Ewing 1994-96 (12g) 5.3 to 4.4
Frazier 1976 (23g) -1.1 to -1.5
G. Johnson 1969 (27g) 3.6 to 5.5
Garnett 06-07 (12g) 11.6 to -1.9
Garnett 2009 (25g) 5.3 to 9.1
Garnett 2010 (13g) 4.6 to 4.4
Garnett 2008 (11g) 1.7 to 10.5
Garnett 2011 (11g) 0.1 to 5.4
Gasol 2010 (17g) 4.1 to 5.6
Gasol 2005 (26g) -1.2 to 1.9
Gasol 2007 (23g) -1.8 to -5.6
Gasol LAL 2008 (55g) 6.4 to 11.6
Gasol Mem 2008 (43g) 2.7 to -4.8
Gilmore* 1980 (33g) 2.3 to -1.8
Ginobili 2006 (17g) 3.9 to 7.6
Ginobili 2009 (38g) 0.1 to 4.2
Ginobili 2005 (8g) -6.7 to 7.2
Hakeem 1992 (12g) 10.6 to -0.2
Hakeem 1995-96 (20g) 8.9 to 3.0
Hakeem 1986 (14g) 7.3 to 6.5
Hakeem 1995 (10g) 7.3 to 3.0
Hakeem 1991 (26g) 1.7 to 4.0
Hill 2005 (15g) 6.6 to -1.0
Hill 2000 (8g) 6.4 to 2.1
Hill 1995 (12g) -0.3 to -7.3
Isiah 1991 (34g) 1.3 to 3.8
Iverson 2002 (22g) 7.3 to 3.6
Iverson 2001 (11g) 3.7 to 4.8
Iverson 2006 (10g) 3.7 to -1.4
Iverson 2000 (12g) 2.1 to 1.6
Iverson 2004 (34g) -0.8 to -2.8
Jordan 1992-93 (7g) 11.3 to 8.8
Kareem 1975 (17g) 7.7 to 1.7
Kareem 1978 (20g) 5.8 to 4.2
Kidd 2005 (16g) 8.7 to 0.2
Kidd 2004 (15g) 3.6 to 3.2
Kidd 2000 (15g) 2.2 to 5.6
King 1985 (27g) 8.0 to -2.1
King 1983 (16g) -1.4 to 2.2
King 1984 (6g) 11 to 4.6
KJ 1996 (26g) 4.0 to 1.6
KJ 1993 (33g) 3.7 to 8.2
KJ 1997 (12g) 12.3 to 2.5
KJ 1994 (15g) 7.5 to 6.2
KJ 1990 (8g) 5.5 to 7.6
KJ 1995 (35g) -1.5 to 3.3
Kobe 2004 (17g) 7.2 to 5.4
Kobe 2000 (16g) 4.4 to 9.4
Kobe 2005 (16g) 2.8 to -2.4
Kobe 2006-07 (7g) 2.5 to 1.3
Kobe 2001 (14g) 1.8 to 3.7
Kobe 2010 (9g) -0.5 to 5.1
Lanier 1978 (18g) 5.3 to -0.1
Lanier 1977 (19g) 4.2 to -0.1
Lanier 1976 (12g) 2.4 to -2.3
Lanier 1981 (13g) 2 to 7.6
Lanier 1979 (28g) 0.3 to -2.6
Lanier Det 1980 (45g) 4.5 to -5.7
Lanier Mil 1980 (56g) 10.4 to 11
LeBron 2008+10 (13g) 12.5 to 4.1
Lucas 1970 (22g) -1.1 to -4.7
Lucas 1965 (13g) -2 to 2
Magic 1988 (10g) 10.9 to 7.2
Magic 1989 (5g) 10.4 to 7.8
Magic 1986 (10g) 2.7 to 8.1
Magic 1984 (14g) 2.7 to 4.2
Magic 1981 (45g) 4.4 to 6.3
Mar. Johnson 1982 (20g) 3.4 to 6.6
McGrady 2002 (6g) 17.2 to 2.8
McGrady 2007 (11g) 9.3 to 6.1
McGrady 2004 (15g) 7.8 to -5.6
McGrady 2006 (35g) 7.2 to 1.5
McGrady 2003 (7g) 1.6 to 0.3
McGrady 2008 (16g) 0.1 to 4.7
McHale 1988 (18g) 5.1 to 7.1
McHale 1991 (14g) 4.8 to 6.6
McHale 1986 (13g) 2.6 to 9.9
Miller 1996 (6g) 7.5 to 3.8
Miller RS+PS 1996 (10g) 6.2 to 3.7
Moncrief 1983 (6g) 1.3 to 4.5
Moncrief 1987 (43g) 0.3 to 4.1
Moncrief 1985 (9g) -0.5 to 6.8
Moncrief 1986 (9g) -0.8 to 9
Moses 1978 (25g) 4.8 to -2.7
Moses 1984 (11g) 2.9 to 2.6
Mourning 1996 (12g) 11.0 to 3.0
Mourning 1994 (22g) 9.0 to 2.2
Mourning 1997 (16g) 0.8 to 5.7
Mourning 1998 (24g) 1.7 to 5.4
Mullin 1988 (22g) 4.7 to -7.1
Mullin 1993 (36g) 1.1 to -0.5
Mutombo 1992 (11g) 6 to -7.1
Mutombo 1996 (8g) -1.5 to -2.9
Mutombo ATL 2001 (33g) 5.9 to -2.8
Mutombo PHI 2001 (56g) -4 to 1.6
Nash 2005-07 (16g) 13.2 to 7.5
Nash 2001 (12g) 6.6 to 5.2
Nash 2009 (8g) 6.3 to 2.5
Nowitzki 2011 (9g) 11.4 to 5.5
Odom 2005 (18g) 6.1 to -1.6
Odom 2007 (26g) 5.4 to 1.6
Paul 2010 (37g) 1.8 to -1.6
Paul 2007 (18g) 0.0 to -1.6
Penny 1997 (23g) 10.3 to 2.5
Penny 2000 (22g) 6.4 to 6.9
Pierce 2007 (35g) 5.3 to -1.2
Pierce 2010 (11g) 5.2 to 4.4
Pippen 1994 (10g) 4.2 to 3.6
Pippen 1998 (38g) 3.1 to 8.6
Price 1990 15.6 to 1.4
Price 1992-1994 (23g) 7.2 to 6
Price 1992 6.9 to 6.3
Price 1993 6.1 to 7
Price 1991 4.8 to 1.4
Price 1989 2.4 to 7.8
Rice 1999 (23g) -2 to 2.1
Richmond 1998 (12g) 7.7 to -4.5
Richmond 1993 (37g) 6.9 to -0.1
Robertson 1968 (21g) 14.4 to 2.5
Robertson 1972 (18g) 8.2 to 13
Robertson 1970 (11g) 5.8 to 2.1
Robinson 1992 (14g) 8.0 to 4.7
Rodman 1993 (20g) 8.7 to 0.7
Rodman 1999 (27g) 3.2 to 4.7
Rodman 1996 (18g) 3.0 to 12.9
Rodman 1997 (27g) 2.8 to 11.7
Rodman 1995 (33g) 1.2 to 6.5
S. Smith 1999 (14g) 5.9 to 4.6
S. Smith 1997 (10g) 4.7 to 6
S. Smith 1998 (9g) -1.8 to 3.3
Schrempf 1997 (21g) 2 to 8.2
Schrempf 1996 (19g) 0.2 to 7.8
Schrempf IND 1989 (50g) 4.5 to -1.4
Shaq 2000-01 (11g) 7.7 to 6.5
Shaq 2003 (15g) 7.6 to 3.7
Shaq 2000-02 (25g) 5.7 to 7.0
Shaq 2002 (15g) 5.1 to 8.1
Shaq 1996 (28g) 4.4 to 7.1
Shaq 1998 (28g) 3.5 to 8.7
Shaq 1997 (31g) 2.9 to 5.4
Shaq 2004 (15g) 1.4 to 4.2
Stockton 1998 (18g) 3.4 to 7.3
T. Hardaway 1995 (20g) 4.9 to -4.2
T. Hardaway 2000 (30g) 4.2 to 2.9
T. Hardaway 1993 (16g) 2.2 to -0.6
T. Hardaway MIA 1996 (54g) 5.7 to 5.2
Thurmond 1967 (16g) 12.7 to 5.4
Thurmond 1968 (31g) 10.5 to 3.4
Thurmond 1969 (12g) 8.4 to -0.4
Thurmond 1970 (40g) 5.8 to -1.6
Unseld 1974 (23g) -0.4 to 1.4
Wade 2005-06 (12g) 6.2 to 5.7
Wade 2004 (21g) 4.0 to 1.5
Wade 2008 (31g) 3.1 to -7.5
Wade 2007 (31g) 1.5 to -0.4
Wallace 2005 (8g) 7.6 to 4.6
Wallace 2003 (9g) 4.9 to 4.2
Walton 1978 (24g) 13.3 to 10.0
Walton 1977 (17g) 12.6 to 8.4
Walton 1975 (31g) 2.6 to -0.3
Webber 1997 (10g) 3.7 to 2.1
Webber 1998 (11g) 3.5 to 1.1
Webber 2002 (28g) 2.6 to 8.5
Webber 2001 (12g) 0.8 to 5.9
Webber 1996 (67g) 0.7 to 1.6
Webber 2003 (15g) -1.5 to 6.2
Webber 1995 (28g) -2.4 to -6.4
West 1971 (13g) 10.9 to 4.5
West 1968 (31g) 6.4 to 7.8
West 1967 (16g) 5.7 to 1.5
West 1969 (21g) 4.9 to 5.4
Wilkins 1993 (11g) 5.9 to -0.1
Wilkins 1992 (40g) 2.3 to -0.4
Wilt 1970 (70g) 0.3 to 2.3
Wilt Phi 1965 (42g) -0.8 to -0.5
Wilt SF 1965 (44g) 3.1 to -4.1
Worthy 1986 (7g) 9.6 to 8.6
Worthy 1986+1988 (14g) 6.5 to 7.4
Worthy 1988 (7g) 3.4 to 6.1
Worthy 1992 (28g) -1.1 to -1.5

Sorted by top net impact:

McGrady 2002 (6g) 17.2 to 2.8
Price 1990 15.6 to 1.4
Robertson 1968 (21g) 14.4 to 2.5
Walton 1978 (24g) 13.3 to 10.0
Nash 2005-07 (16g) 13.2 to 7.5
Thurmond 1967 (16g) 12.7 to 5.4
Walton 1977 (17g) 12.6 to 8.4
LeBron 2008+10 (13g) 12.5 to 4.1
KJ 1997 (12g) 12.3 to 2.5
Garnett 06-07 (12g) 11.6 to -1.9
Nowitzki 2011 (9g) 11.4 to 5.5
Jordan 1992-93 (7g) 11.3 to 8.8
Duncan 2005 (16g) 11.2 to 10.0
King 1984 (6g) 11 to 4.6
Mourning 1996 (12g) 11.0 to 3.0
Magic 1988 (10g) 10.9 to 7.2
West 1971 (13g) 10.9 to 4.5
Hakeem 1992 (12g) 10.6 to -0.2
Thurmond 1968 (31g) 10.5 to 3.4
Lanier Mil 1980 (56g) 10.4 to 11
Magic 1989 (5g) 10.4 to 7.8
Penny 1997 (23g) 10.3 to 2.5
Worthy 1986 (7g) 9.6 to 8.6
Carter 2001 (7g) 9.5 to 3.1
McGrady 2007 (11g) 9.3 to 6.1
Mourning 1994 (22g) 9.0 to 2.2
Hakeem 1995-96 (20g) 8.9 to 3.0
Carter 2004 (9g) 8.7 to -2.1
Kidd 2005 (16g) 8.7 to 0.2
Rodman 1993 (20g) 8.7 to 0.7
Thurmond 1969 (12g) 8.4 to -0.4
Drexler 1990 (9g) 8.3 to 7.2
Duncan 2004-05 (29g) 8.2 to 9.0
Robertson 1972 (18g) 8.2 to 13
Bird 1991 (22g) 8.0 to 8.0
King 1985 (27g) 8.0 to -2.1
Robinson 1992 (14g) 8.0 to 4.7
Barkley 1994 (17g) 7.8 to 6.5
McGrady 2004 (15g) 7.8 to -5.6
Kareem 1975 (17g) 7.7 to 1.7
Richmond 1998 (12g) 7.7 to -4.5
Shaq 2000-01 (11g) 7.7 to 6.5
Shaq 2003 (15g) 7.6 to 3.7
Wallace 2005 (8g) 7.6 to 4.6
KJ 1994 (15g) 7.5 to 6.2
Miller 1996 (6g) 7.5 to 3.8
Hakeem 1986 (14g) 7.3 to 6.5
Hakeem 1995 (10g) 7.3 to 3.0
Iverson 2002 (22g) 7.3 to 3.6
Dumars 1994 (13g) 7.2 to -6.6
Kobe 2004 (17g) 7.2 to 5.4
McGrady 2006 (35g) 7.2 to 1.5
Price 1992-1994 (23g) 7.2 to 6
Erving 1973 (12g) 7.1 to 0.6
Ewing 1987 (19g) 7.1 to -4.6
Price 1992 6.9 to 6.3
Richmond 1993 (37g) 6.9 to -0.1
Erving 1983 (8g)* 6.7 to 8.4
Dumars 1990 (7g) 6.6 to 6.6
Hill 2005 (15g) 6.6 to -1.0
Nash 2001 (12g) 6.6 to 5.2
Worthy 1986+1988 (14g) 6.5 to 7.4
Gasol LAL 2008 (55g) 6.4 to 11.6
Hill 2000 (8g) 6.4 to 2.1
Penny 2000 (22g) 6.4 to 6.9
West 1968 (31g) 6.4 to 7.8
Nash 2009 (8g) 6.3 to 2.5
Miller RS+PS 1996 (10g) 6.2 to 3.7
Wade 2005-06 (12g) 6.2 to 5.7
Brand 2001 (8g) 6.1 to -8.5
Odom 2005 (18g) 6.1 to -1.6
Price 1993 6.1 to 7
Mutombo 1992 (11g) 6 to -7.1
Mutombo ATL 2001 (33g) 5.9 to -2.8
S. Smith 1999 (14g) 5.9 to 4.6
Wilkins 1993 (11g) 5.9 to -0.1
Kareem 1978 (20g) 5.8 to 4.2
Robertson 1970 (11g) 5.8 to 2.1
Thurmond 1970 (40g) 5.8 to -1.6
Dumars 1995 (15g) 5.7 to -6.2
Shaq 2000-02 (25g) 5.7 to 7.0
T. Hardaway MIA 1996 (54g) 5.7 to 5.2
West 1967 (16g) 5.7 to 1.5
KJ 1990 (8g) 5.5 to 7.6
Odom 2007 (26g) 5.4 to 1.6
Ewing 1994-96 (12g) 5.3 to 4.4
Garnett 2009 (25g) 5.3 to 9.1
Lanier 1978 (18g) 5.3 to -0.1
Pierce 2007 (35g) 5.3 to -1.2
Pierce 2010 (11g) 5.2 to 4.4
McHale 1988 (18g) 5.1 to 7.1
Shaq 2002 (15g) 5.1 to 8.1
Barkley 1996 (11g) 4.9 to 1.0
T. Hardaway 1995 (20g) 4.9 to -4.2
Wallace 2003 (9g) 4.9 to 4.2
West 1969 (21g) 4.9 to 5.4
McHale 1991 (14g) 4.8 to 6.6
Moses 1978 (25g) 4.8 to -2.7
Price 1991 4.8 to 1.4
Duncan 2004 (13g) 4.7 to 8.0
Mullin 1988 (22g) 4.7 to -7.1
S. Smith 1997 (10g) 4.7 to 6
Garnett 2010 (13g) 4.6 to 4.4
Baylor 1962 (32g) 4.5 to 4
Lanier Det 1980 (45g) 4.5 to -5.7
Schrempf IND 1989 (50g) 4.5 to -1.4
Kobe 2000 (16g) 4.4 to 9.4
Magic 1981 (45g) 4.4 to 6.3
Shaq 1996 (28g) 4.4 to 7.1
Dantley 1985 (26g) 4.3 to 1.3
Lanier 1977 (19g) 4.2 to -0.1
Pippen 1994 (10g) 4.2 to 3.6
T. Hardaway 2000 (30g) 4.2 to 2.9
Gasol 2010 (17g) 4.1 to 5.6
Dantley 1979 (20g) 4 to 4.1
KJ 1996 (26g) 4.0 to 1.6
Wade 2004 (21g) 4.0 to 1.5
Carter 2003 (39g) 3.9 to -4.0
Ginobili 2006 (17g) 3.9 to 7.6
Allen 2007 (27g) 3.8 to -1.7
Brand 2003 (20g) 3.7 to -3.2
Iverson 2001 (11g) 3.7 to 4.8
Iverson 2006 (10g) 3.7 to -1.4
KJ 1993 (33g) 3.7 to 8.2
Webber 1997 (10g) 3.7 to 2.1
G. Johnson 1969 (27g) 3.6 to 5.5
Kidd 2004 (15g) 3.6 to 3.2
Anthony 2010 (13g) 3.5 to 4.6
Bird 1992 (22g) 3.5 to 4.5
Shaq 1998 (28g) 3.5 to 8.7
Webber 1998 (11g) 3.5 to 1.1
Barkley 1997 (29g) 3.4 to 5.7
Mar. Johnson 1982 (20g) 3.4 to 6.6
Stockton 1998 (18g) 3.4 to 7.3
Worthy 1988 (7g) 3.4 to 6.1
Billups 2007 (12g) 3.3 to 4.6
Rodman 1999 (27g) 3.2 to 4.7
Pippen 1998 (38g) 3.1 to 8.6
Wade 2008 (31g) 3.1 to -7.5
Wilt SF 1965 (44g) 3.1 to -4.1
Rodman 1996 (18g) 3.0 to 12.9
Barkley 1987 (14g) 2.9 to 0.3
Moses 1984 (11g) 2.9 to 2.6
Shaq 1997 (31g) 2.9 to 5.4
Kobe 2005 (16g) 2.8 to -2.4
Rodman 1997 (27g) 2.8 to 11.7
Gasol Mem 2008 (43g) 2.7 to -4.8
Magic 1986 (10g) 2.7 to 8.1
Magic 1984 (14g) 2.7 to 4.2
Cowens 1975 (17g) 2.6 to 6.3
McHale 1986 (13g) 2.6 to 9.9
Walton 1975 (31g) 2.6 to -0.3
Webber 2002 (28g) 2.6 to 8.5
Kobe 2006-07 (7g) 2.5 to 1.3
Lanier 1976 (12g) 2.4 to -2.3
Price 1989 2.4 to 7.8
Gilmore* 1980 (33g) 2.3 to -1.8
Wilkins 1992 (40g) 2.3 to -0.4
Anthony 2007 (17g) 2.2 to 1.8
Kidd 2000 (15g) 2.2 to 5.6
T. Hardaway 1993 (16g) 2.2 to -0.6
Iverson 2000 (12g) 2.1 to 1.6
Lanier 1981 (13g) 2 to 7.6
Schrempf 1997 (21g) 2 to 8.2
Allen 2002 (13g) 1.8 to 0.1
Kobe 2001 (14g) 1.8 to 3.7
Paul 2010 (37g) 1.8 to -1.6
Allen 2004 (26g) 1.7 to -0.1
Garnett 2008 (11g) 1.7 to 10.5
Hakeem 1991 (26g) 1.7 to 4.0
Mourning 1998 (24g) 1.7 to 5.4
Anthony NYK 2011 (55g) 1.6 to 1.9
McGrady 2003 (7g) 1.6 to 0.3
Wade 2007 (31g) 1.5 to -0.4
Drexler 1996 (30g) 1.4 to 0.5
Shaq 2004 (15g) 1.4 to 4.2
Isiah 1991 (34g) 1.3 to 3.8
Moncrief 1983 (6g) 1.3 to 4.5
Barkley 1991 (15g) 1.2 to 0.0
Rodman 1995 (33g) 1.2 to 6.5
Anthony 2009 (16g) 1.1 to 3.6
Mullin 1993 (36g) 1.1 to -0.5
English Den 1980 1 to -3.7
Cowens 1977 (30g) 0.9 to -1.6
Mourning 1997 (16g) 0.8 to 5.7
Webber 2001 (12g) 0.8 to 5.9
Webber 1996 (67g) 0.7 to 1.6
Dumars 1989-1991 (22g) 0.6 to 5.3
Baylor 1966 (16g) 0.4 to 3.2
Drexler 1994 (18g) 0.4 to 2.6
Lanier 1979 (28g) 0.3 to -2.6
Moncrief 1987 (43g) 0.3 to 4.1
Wilt 1970 (70g) 0.3 to 2.3
Duncan 2000 (8g) 0.2 to 6.0
Schrempf 1996 (19g) 0.2 to 7.8
Barkley 1995 (14g) 0.1 to 3.9
Garnett 2011 (11g) 0.1 to 5.4
Ginobili 2009 (38g) 0.1 to 4.2
McGrady 2008 (16g) 0.1 to 4.7
Paul 2007 (18g) 0.0 to -1.6
Hill 1995 (12g) -0.3 to -7.3
Unseld 1974 (23g) -0.4 to 1.4
Kobe 2010 (9g) -0.5 to 5.1
Moncrief 1985 (9g) -0.5 to 6.8
Dantley 1980 (12g) -0.6 to -6.1
Dumars 1989 (13g) -0.7 to 7.1
Iverson 2004 (34g) -0.8 to -2.8
Moncrief 1986 (9g) -0.8 to 9
Wilt Phi 1965 (42g) -0.8 to -0.5
English Ind 1980 -0.9 to -1
Carter 2002 (22g) -1.0 to -0.7
Drexler 1993 (33g) -1.0 to 2.7
Frazier 1976 (23g) -1.1 to -1.5
Lucas 1970 (22g) -1.1 to -4.7
Worthy 1992 (28g) -1.1 to -1.5
Gasol 2005 (26g) -1.2 to 1.9
Brand 2004 (13g) -1.4 to -4.8
King 1983 (16g) -1.4 to 2.2
KJ 1995 (35g) -1.5 to 3.3
Mutombo 1996 (8g) -1.5 to -2.9
Webber 2003 (15g) -1.5 to 6.2
Gasol 2007 (23g) -1.8 to -5.6
S. Smith 1998 (9g) -1.8 to 3.3
Dantley 1988 (13g) -2.0 to 4.9
Erving 1978 (9g) -2 to 4.9
Lucas 1965 (13g) -2 to 2
Rice 1999 (23g) -2 to 2.1
Dantley 1983 (59g) -2.1 to -6.0
Webber 1995 (28g) -2.4 to -6.4
Dantley Det 1989 (40g) -3.6 to 4.1
Mutombo PHI 2001 (56g) -4 to 1.6
Allen 2008 (9g) -4.2 to 9.8
Anthony Den 2011 (32g) -4.9 to 2.9
Ginobili 2005 (8g) -6.7 to 7.2

[ElGee]

Finally, I've amended the Simple Adjustment to try and accurately reflect what a player would be doing on a .500 team based on how good their team was without them in the lineup. Here are the runs ordered by Simple IO Value:


Robertson 1972 (18g) 10.82
Lanier Mil 1980 (56g) 10.82
Walton 1978 (24g) 10.37
Duncan 2005 (16g) 10.3
Jordan 1992-93 (7g) 9.42
Walton 1977 (17g) 9.07
Worthy 1986 (7g) 8.96
Duncan 2004-05 (29g) 8.64
Gasol LAL 2008 (55g) 8.62
Magic 1989 (5g) 8.6
Magic 1988 (10g) 8.21
Nash 2005-07 (16g) 8.18
Bird 1991 (22g) 8
Drexler 1990 (9g) 7.69
Erving 1983 (8g)* 7.46
McGrady 2007 (11g) 7.32
Barkley 1994 (17g) 7.12
Shaq 2000-01 (11g) 7.08
West 1968 (31g) 7
Nowitzki 2011 (9g) 6.92
Hakeem 1986 (14g) 6.91
Worthy 1986+1988 (14g) 6.89
KJ 1994 (15g) 6.85
Garnett 2009 (25g) 6.64
Price 1992-1994 (23g) 6.62
Price 1992 6.62
Penny 2000 (22g) 6.61
Dumars 1990 (7g) 6.6
Thurmond 1967 (16g) 6.52
Price 1993 6.47
Kobe 2004 (17g) 6.34
King 1984 (6g) 6.31
KJ 1990 (8g) 6.27
West 1971 (13g) 6.25
Robinson 1992 (14g) 6.24
Shaq 2000-02 (25g) 6.19
Shaq 2002 (15g) 6.12
Wallace 2005 (8g) 6.08
Wade 2005-06 (12g) 5.99
Nash 2001 (12g) 5.98
Kobe 2000 (16g) 5.87
McHale 1988 (18g) 5.78
Duncan 2004 (13g) 5.73
Miller 1996 (6g) 5.65
Shaq 2003 (15g) 5.62
Thurmond 1968 (31g) 5.53
T. Hardaway MIA 1996 (54g) 5.51
LeBron 2008+10 (13g) 5.5
Iverson 2002 (22g) 5.5
Carter 2001 (7g) 5.45
Hakeem 1995-96 (20g) 5.4
S. Smith 1999 (14g) 5.39
McHale 1991 (14g) 5.38
Hakeem 1995 (10g) 5.21
Shaq 1996 (28g) 5.19
Kareem 1978 (20g) 5.18
Miller RS+PS 1996 (10g) 5.17
Mourning 1996 (12g) 5.13
S. Smith 1997 (10g) 5.11
West 1969 (21g) 5.06
Ewing 1994-96 (12g) 4.98
Rodman 1996 (18g) 4.98
Magic 1981 (45g) 4.96
Penny 1997 (23g) 4.94
Pierce 2010 (11g) 4.92
Mourning 1994 (22g) 4.92
Ginobili 2006 (17g) 4.86
KJ 1993 (33g) 4.81
Shaq 1998 (28g) 4.71
Nash 2009 (8g) 4.7
Wallace 2003 (9g) 4.67
Kareem 1975 (17g) 4.62
Hill 2000 (8g) 4.57
Garnett 2010 (13g) 4.54
Gasol 2010 (17g) 4.51
McGrady 2006 (35g) 4.46
Rodman 1997 (27g) 4.46
Robertson 1970 (11g) 4.37
Baylor 1962 (32g) 4.35
Stockton 1998 (18g) 4.28
KJ 1997 (12g) 4.26
Pippen 1998 (38g) 4.24
Mar. Johnson 1982 (20g) 4.13
West 1967 (16g) 4.1
Rodman 1993 (20g) 4.06
G. Johnson 1969 (27g) 4.06
Odom 2007 (26g) 4.03
Pippen 1994 (10g) 4.03
Dantley 1979 (20g) 4.03
Erving 1973 (12g) 4.02
Worthy 1988 (7g) 4.01
Iverson 2001 (11g) 3.97
Barkley 1997 (29g) 3.92
McHale 1986 (13g) 3.87
T. Hardaway 2000 (30g) 3.84
Kidd 2005 (16g) 3.77
Anthony 2010 (13g) 3.76
Bird 1992 (22g) 3.73
Price 1991 3.71
Richmond 1993 (37g) 3.68
Magic 1986 (10g) 3.67
Barkley 1996 (11g) 3.63
Webber 2002 (28g) 3.62
Billups 2007 (12g) 3.59
Wilkins 1993 (11g) 3.54
Rodman 1999 (27g) 3.52
Kidd 2004 (15g) 3.5
Thurmond 1969 (12g) 3.47
Dantley 1985 (26g) 3.44
Lanier 1978 (18g) 3.39
Shaq 1997 (31g) 3.38
KJ 1996 (26g) 3.36
Wade 2004 (21g) 3.33
Webber 1997 (10g) 3.31
Price 1989 3.26
Hill 2005 (15g) 3.26
Cowens 1975 (17g) 3.24
Pierce 2007 (35g) 3
Lanier 1977 (19g) 3
Robertson 1968 (21g) 2.98
Magic 1984 (14g) 2.97
Odom 2005 (18g) 2.97
Hakeem 1992 (12g) 2.97
Webber 1998 (11g) 2.94
Thurmond 1970 (40g) 2.94
Moses 1984 (11g) 2.84
Schrempf 1997 (21g) 2.83
Lanier 1981 (13g) 2.75
Schrempf IND 1989 (50g) 2.73
Kidd 2000 (15g) 2.7
Garnett 2008 (11g) 2.7
King 1985 (27g) 2.61
Mutombo ATL 2001 (33g) 2.48
Iverson 2006 (10g) 2.44
Carter 2004 (9g) 2.44
Allen 2007 (27g) 2.41
Moses 1978 (25g) 2.4
Barkley 1987 (14g) 2.4
Kobe 2006-07 (7g) 2.3
Anthony 2007 (17g) 2.14
Mourning 1998 (24g) 2.12
Walton 1975 (31g) 2.1
Iverson 2000 (12g) 2.03
Kobe 2001 (14g) 2.03
Brand 2003 (20g) 2
Hakeem 1991 (26g) 1.96
T. Hardaway 1995 (20g) 1.93
Wilkins 1992 (40g) 1.89
Carter 2003 (39g) 1.85
Kobe 2005 (16g) 1.83
T. Hardaway 1993 (16g) 1.79
Gilmore* 1980 (33g) 1.67
Shaq 2004 (15g) 1.66
Lanier 1976 (12g) 1.65
Anthony NYK 2011 (55g) 1.63
Rodman 1995 (33g) 1.62
Wilt SF 1965 (44g) 1.61
Allen 2002 (13g) 1.6
Moncrief 1983 (6g) 1.58
Ewing 1987 (19g) 1.56
Isiah 1991 (34g) 1.52
Allen 2004 (26g) 1.5
McGrady 2003 (7g) 1.46
Lanier Det 1980 (45g) 1.44
Richmond 1998 (12g) 1.44
Paul 2010 (37g) 1.39
Gasol Mem 2008 (43g) 1.35
Drexler 1996 (30g) 1.32
Wade 2007 (31g) 1.31
Anthony 2009 (16g) 1.28
Dumars 1995 (15g) 1.18
Garnett 06-07 (12g) 1.16
Barkley 1991 (15g) 1.1
Webber 2001 (12g) 1.07
Mourning 1997 (16g) 1.06
Mullin 1988 (22g) 1
Mullin 1993 (36g) 0.98
Wade 2008 (31g) 0.91
Price 1990 0.83
McGrady 2004 (15g) 0.83
Dumars 1989-1991 (22g) 0.79
Mutombo 1992 (11g) 0.76
Cowens 1977 (30g) 0.75
Webber 1996 (67g) 0.74
McGrady 2002 (6g) 0.69
English Den 1980 0.69
Dumars 1994 (13g) 0.58
Baylor 1966 (16g) 0.47
Drexler 1994 (18g) 0.46
Moncrief 1987 (43g) 0.38
Wilt 1970 (70g) 0.34
Schrempf 1996 (19g) 0.3
Duncan 2000 (8g) 0.28
Lanier 1979 (28g) 0.24
Brand 2001 (8g) 0.16
Garnett 2011 (11g) 0.14
McGrady 2008 (16g) 0.13
Ginobili 2009 (38g) 0.13
Barkley 1995 (14g) 0.13
Paul 2007 (18g) 0
Moncrief 1985 (9g) -0.26
Moncrief 1986 (9g) -0.28
Allen 2008 (9g) -0.28
Kobe 2010 (9g) -0.31
Dumars 1989 (13g) -0.34
Unseld 1974 (23g) -0.35
Hill 1995 (12g) -0.44
Ginobili 2005 (8g) -0.49
Webber 2003 (15g) -0.73
Drexler 1993 (33g) -0.75
Wilt Phi 1965 (42g) -0.78
Dantley 1980 (12g) -0.82
English Ind 1980 -0.91
Iverson 2004 (34g) -0.91
Gasol 2005 (26g) -0.95
Carter 2002 (22g) -0.98
KJ 1995 (35g) -1.02
King 1983 (16g) -1.06
Dantley 1988 (13g) -1.08
Erving 1978 (9g) -1.08
Frazier 1976 (23g) -1.13
Worthy 1992 (28g) -1.13
S. Smith 1998 (9g) -1.19
Lucas 1970 (22g) -1.36
Rice 1999 (23g) -1.45
Lucas 1965 (13g) -1.47
Mutombo 1996 (8g) -1.64
Brand 2004 (13g) -1.72
Dantley Det 1989 (40g) -1.75
Gasol 2007 (23g) -2.26
Anthony Den 2011 (32g) -2.35
Mutombo PHI 2001 (56g) -2.51
Dantley 1983 (59g) -2.65
Webber 1995 (28g) -3.04

[bastillon]

best posts ever.
I'm interested in Rasheed Wallace 2004 considering he was traded midseason. I know Detroit was amazing after that trade.

[Iversean]

list is a travesty.

how are players such as wade, payton, stockon, nash, thomas, tmac, pierce, kidd, miller ahead of Iverson...?
is it cause of this efficiency thing again? please gimme a break.

Iverson is one of the greatest players to play the game. EVER
even Shaq knows it, he called him TOP 5

[ElGee]

best posts ever.
I'm interested in Rasheed Wallace 2004 considering he was traded midseason. I know Detroit was amazing after that trade.

Well of course, it's one of the all-time sum-is-greater-than-the-parts examples. Basketball is a game of interaction, not linear addition. Adding Sheed shored up that defense to a level basically unheard of (capable with the rules then) and Detroit's DRtg was somewhere in the 80s the rest of the way (I calculated it recently but don't have the exact number). They gave up 77.3 points in Sheed's 22 games, and 79.0 if we count the PS. Detroit was +12.6 with Wallace down the stretch, and +9.4 if we include the PS (up from +3.4 MOV without him).

His simple number is +11.35 for just the RS, and a more down-to-earth +7.44 if we include the PS. (It should be noted of course that Detroit basically traded no one for Sheed and that he was replacing Memo Okur mostly -- Pistons were +4.5 in Memo's starts and gave up 85.5 ppg. Back in Portland, the Blazers were actually 1.8 points better without Wallace.)

[lorak]

Finally, I've amended the Simple Adjustment to try and accurately reflect what a player would be doing on a .500 team based on how good their team was without them in the lineup. Here are the runs ordered by Simple IO Value:

(...)

Mark Price is doing surprisingly fine according to this metric. Maybe after all he should be in our top 100?

[penbeast0]

Probably will be . . . Billups, Timbug, and Price are in our next group of PGs (Tiny is coming around there somewhere too though he's a different set of arguments).

[Doctor MJ]

best posts ever.

Seriously.

[lorak]

25 spots left on the list. So who is for now on yours top25 nomination lists?

Here's list of players from NBA's 50 greatest Players (1997) who aren't on the list or among nominated players:

Dave Bing
Dave DeBusschere
Hal Greer
Jerry Lucas
Pistol Pete
Earl Monroe
Bill Sharman
Lenny Wilkens
James Worthy

the same from realGM 2006 list
Jerry Lucas (54th place)
Joe Dumars (57)
Dennis Johnson (58)
Chris Webber (60)
Pistol Pete (62)
Adrian Dantley (64)
James Worthy (67)
George McGinnis (68)
Hal Greer (70)
Connie Hawkins (71)
Dave DeBusschere (74)
David Thompson (75)
Dave Bing (77)
Spencer Haywood (78)
Mel Daniels (79)
Chris Mullin (80)
Dan Issell (83)
Lenny Wilkens (84)
Walt Bellamy (87)
Earl Monroe (88)
Mitch Richmond (89)
Shawn Kemp (91)
Fat LeVer (92)
Bill Sharman (93)
Ben Wallace (97)
Jack Sikma (99)
Mo Cheeks (100)

and 2008 realGM list:
Joe Dumars (45)
Jerry Lucas (48)
James Worthy (56)
Adrian Dantley (57)
Dennis Johnson (63)
Hal Greer (65)
Chris Webber (68)
Dave DeBusschere (7)
Mel Daniels (71)
Earl Monroe (74)
George McGinnis (75)
Connie Hawkins (77)
Jack Sikma (78)
Dave Bing (79)
Bill Sharman (80)
Pistol Pete (81)
Larry Nance (83)
Chris Mullin (85)
Dan Issell (87)
Spencer Haywood (91)
Cliff Hagan (92)
Chauncey Billups (93)
Walt Bellamy (94)
David Thompson (95)
Lenny Wilkens (96)
Mark Aguirre (97)
Ben Wallace (98)
Bob Dandridge (99)
Tim Hardaway (100)

IMO also these players should be in discussion:
Schrempf
Mark Price
Terry Cummings
Brad Daugherty

So my top25 nomination list is (in no particular order):
Dave DeBusschere
Bill Sharman
Lenny Wilkens
James Worthy
Dennis Johnson
Pistol Pete
Adrian Dantley
Hal Greer
Clif Hagan
David Thompson
Chris Mullin
Dan Issell
Fat LeVer
Jack Sikma
Jerry Lucas
Larry Nance
Ben Wallace
Bob Dandridge
Detlef Schrempf
Mark Price
Terry Cummings
Brad Daugherty
Chris Webber
Shawn Kemp
Chauncey Billups

[Dr Positivity]

I did a little experiment. I calculated everyone's point differential from a random 3 weeks in the schedule (January 15th to February 7th) and compared it to their overall MOV

Atlanta: -14, 11 Gs (-1.27, RS: -0.82, Diff:-.45)
Boston: +59, 12 Gs (+4.9, RS: 5.37, Diff: -.47)
Charlotte: -17, 14 Gs (-1.21, RS: -4.00, Diff: +2.79)
Chicago: +72, 11 Gs (+6.54, RS: 7.32, Diff: .78)
Cleveland: -160, 13 Gs (-12.3, RS: -9.01, Diff: -3.29)
Dallas: +35, 13 Gs (+2.69, RS: 4.23, Diff: +1.54)
Denver: +51, 14 Gs (+3.65, RS: 4.76, Diff: +1.11)
Detroit: -20, 12 Gs (-1.67, RS: -3.60, Diff: +1.93)
Golden State Warriors: +6, 11 Gs (+.55, RS: -2.33, Diff: -2.88)
Houston Rockets: +6, 13 Gs (+.46, RS: 2.18, Diff: -1.72)
Indiana Pacers: +18, 11 Gs (+1.63, RS: -1.07, Diff: +2.70)
LA Clippers: -42, 12 Gs (-3.5, RS: -3.13, Diff: -.37)
LA Lakers: +24, 11 Gs (+2.18, RS: 6.11, Diff: -3.93)
Miami: +72, 10 Gs (+7.2, RS: 7.46, Diff: +.26)
Milwaukee: -19, 12 Gs (1.58, RS: -.84, Diff: +2.42)
Minnesota: -55, 11 Gs (-5, RS: -6.63, Diff: -1.63)
Memphis: +57, 14 Gs (4.07, RS: +2.34, Diff: +1.73)
New Orleans Hornets: +59, 13 Gs (+4.54, RS: .89, Diff: +3.65)
New York Knicks: -16, 11 Gs (-1.45, RS: +.78, Diff: +2.23)
New Jersey Nets: -57, 13 Gs (-4.38, RS: -6.24, Diff: -1.86)
Oklahoma City Thunder: +23, 10 Gs (+2.3, RS: 3.79, Diff: -1.49)
Orlando: +76, 13 Gs (+5.85, RS: +5.46, Diff: +.39)
Philadelphia: +42, 11 Gs (+3.82, RS: 1.5, Diff: +2.32)
Phoenix Suns: +58, 11 Gs (+5.27, RS: -0.89, Diff: +6.16)
Portland Trailblazers: +10, 12 Gs (+.83, RS: 1.52, Diff: -.69)
San Antonio Spurs: +39, 10 Gs (+3.9, RS: 5.71, Diff: -1.81)
Sacramento Kings: -17, 11 Gs (-1.55, RS: -5.34, Diff: 3.79)
Toronto Raptors: -101, 12 Gs (-8.42, RS: -6.28, Diff: -2.14)
Utah Jazz: -95, 13 Gs (-7.3, RS: -1.83, Diff: -5.47)
Washington Wizards: -103, 12 Gs (-8.58, RS: -7.4, Diff: -1.18)

Just for fun I ordered them by their Diff out of a hunch that the good teams appear to have more consistent numbers:

Phoenix Suns: +58, 11 Gs (+5.27, RS: -0.89, Diff: +6.16)
Utah Jazz: -95, 13 Gs (-7.3, RS: -1.83, Diff: -5.47)
LA Lakers: +24, 11 Gs (+2.18, RS: 6.11, Diff: -3.93)
Sacramento Kings: -17, 11 Gs (-1.55, RS: -5.34, Diff: 3.79)
New Orleans Hornets: +59, 13 Gs (+4.54, RS: .89, Diff: +3.65)
Cleveland: -160, 13 Gs (-12.3, RS: -9.01, Diff: -3.29)
Golden State Warriors: +6, 11 Gs (+.55, RS: -2.33, Diff: -2.88)
Charlotte: -17, 14 Gs (-1.21, RS: -4.00, Diff: +2.79)
Indiana Pacers: +18, 11 Gs (+1.63, RS: -1.07, Diff: +2.70)
Milwaukee: -19, 12 Gs (1.58, RS: -.84, Diff: +2.42)
Philadelphia: +42, 11 Gs (+3.82, RS: 1.5, Diff: +2.32)
New York Knicks: -16, 11 Gs (-1.45, RS: +.78, Diff: +2.23)
Toronto Raptors: -101, 12 Gs (-8.42, RS: -6.28, Diff: -2.14)
Detroit: -20, 12 Gs (-1.67, RS: -3.60, Diff: +1.93)
New Jersey Nets: -57, 13 Gs (-4.38, RS: -6.24, Diff: -1.86)
San Antonio Spurs: +39, 10 Gs (+3.9, RS: 5.71, Diff: -1.81)
Memphis: +57, 14 Gs (4.07, RS: +2.34, Diff: +1.73)
Houston Rockets: +6, 13 Gs (+.46, RS: 2.18, Diff: -1.72)
Minnesota: -55, 11 Gs (-5, RS: -6.63, Diff: -1.63)
Dallas: +35, 13 Gs (+2.69, RS: 4.23, Diff: +1.54)
Oklahoma City Thunder: +23, 10 Gs (+2.3, RS: 3.79, Diff: -1.49)
Washington Wizards: -103, 12 Gs (-8.58, RS: -7.4, Diff: -1.18)
Denver: +51, 14 Gs (+3.65, RS: 4.76, Diff: +1.11)
Chicago: +72, 11 Gs (+6.54, RS: 7.32, Diff: .78)
Portland Trailblazers: +10, 12 Gs (+.83, RS: 1.52, Diff: -.69)
Boston: +59, 12 Gs (+4.9, RS: 5.37, Diff: -.47)
Atlanta: -14, 11 Gs (-1.27, RS: -0.82, Diff:-.45)
Orlando: +76, 13 Gs (+5.85, RS: +5.46, Diff: +.39)
LA Clippers: -42, 12 Gs (-3.5, RS: -3.13, Diff: -.37)
Miami: +72, 10 Gs (+7.2, RS: 7.46, Diff: +.26)

I got a mean of 2.1 from center in either direction and a median of 1.9, but as can be seen this measurement says there's approximately a 20% chance of a score off by over 3 and 7% chance of 5-6, and on the other end about the same for an extremely accurate measurement of the team's ability. This is a measurement of schedule sample alone, when considering injury +/- it is added to more variables (team fit, attitude/motivation to keep winning, players going in slumps or being banged up, etc.)

[therealbig3]

Hey ElGee, do you happen to have numbers for Deron Williams when he missed games? I ask, because he plays for my team, and I'd like to believe he's an elite player, but I feel like he might be an example of someone whose box score stats overrate his impact.

[lorak]

My numbers are different than Elgee's (he's using simple ppg scored vs ppg allowed; I ortg vs drtg), but:

2009 (14g) -1.6 net (offense was worse with him!), +2.6 MOV
2011-UTA (29g) +4.8, -0.3

[ElGee]

@Mufasa http://www.backpicks.com/2011/03/28/whe ... noff-data/ (linked in there is pomeroy's stuff on +/- experiments)


@realbig3 I would use on/off data from 82games/basketball value and APM first. My feeling is Deron Williams is quite good.

[therealbig3]

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

[ronnymac2]

IIRC, Deron's defense grades out poorly with plus/minus stats. His offense is pretty good though.

If I did remember correctly, I'd say that has to do with some sort of scenario similar to what happened to Derrick Rose this past year, where the bench's defense is really good and they play balls out when the Offensive Constant (Williams, Rose) isn't on the court for 10 minutes or whatever. Rose was a good defender overall, but APM says otherwise since Chicago's defense was insane for the 11 minutes he wasn't on the court (Gibson and Asik will do that.). That's my theory at least.

Williams isn't great on rotations and is decidedly average with steals and defensive rebounds, but he is a good man defender and can defend shooting guards.

[bastillon]

Elgee what was your methodology doing that research ?

[penbeast0]

Moving photo discussion here . . .

Early in the project Baller was putting up the photos. And I was a relatively early Rodman and Billups supporter and they have dorky photos . . . but yeah, if you like talented but poorly behaved athletes, they are the ones that are going to have the questionable photos and you might feel there is a bias (and there is . . . against players known for stupid stuff). Photos are for fun; but do reflect what I think of when I see them -- I do doubt they turn many votes.

I find the photos on the first page most of the time, sometimes on Yahoo or Dogpile admittedly. Oh, and Greer has a photo. I check each time I post a thread to make sure they are all coming up though sometimes they then fall out of rotation sometimes. If it has gone down, I will replace it.

[ThaRegul8r]

Though regarding the discussion about photos, one pet peeve is that whenever someone posts a picture of Russell, it's always the same one, of him blocking the shot of some white guy, which merely reinforces the misperception people have of that era.

[therealbig3]

Probably should use this pic of Russell...this was definitely not a short white guy.

[ronnymac2]

As long as Russell's pic shows off his GOAT facial hair...