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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby JohnStarksTheDunk on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:16 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Considering his public statement against Lin and Jordan came at a time when his status as the coach couldn't be any lower, I think it is reasonable to assume management over-ruled him with the waiver deadline around the corner and he was told to play Lin. That's way more believable than fairy tales about the players telling the coach what to do.


I agree that it probably came from management. They needed to make a decision about Lin's contract, so they likely told MDA to evaluate him more.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Clyde_Style on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:24 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Considering his public statement against Lin and Jordan came at a time when his status as the coach couldn't be any lower, I think it is reasonable to assume management over-ruled him with the waiver deadline around the corner and he was told to play Lin. That's way more believable than fairy tales about the players telling the coach what to do.


I agree that it probably came from management. They needed to make a decision about Lin's contract, so they likely told MDA to evaluate him more.


Agreed, I think it is a pretty clear inference to be drawn considering D'Antoni had to go back against his statement almost immediately. Management gets the credit for Lin, not Mike.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Deeeez Knicks on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:27 pm

I don't think a few minutes of garbage time in blowouts count as giving Lin playing time.

He only played meaningful minutes in 2 out 9 games since being recalled before blowing up in the Nets game.

Its just one of D'Antoni's faults. He's stubborn and picky about who he plays.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Capn'O on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:37 pm

Again, it's not always a fault of his. I really don't think Mike had intentions one way or the other before seeing him play over time.

Here's what I said Feb 2nd - the day BEFORE the Boston game:

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Disagree. Mike likes smart players. See: Fields, Landry. Gallinari, Danilo.

If Lin plays well and can keep up with the NBA pace, he will continue to get burn. He moves the ball too well for MDA not to use him.


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1157682

Here's what Mike says about himself today:

Over a length of time, if they prove they need to be out there, they’ll be out there.


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He just waits on guys until they prove something and are confident. When you put young guys out there and they aren't ready they can embarass themselves. If you keep putting them in that situation it can stunt their development.





What if he puts Lin back out there too early and something like that happens? In most cases, the risk of putting a guy in before he is ready is more than the opportunity lost by not doing so.

At the end of the day, Lin proved he needed minutes over the course of a few games and then dominated when given a real opportunity. This is a success for Lin, D'Antoni, the Knicks, management, Carmelo Anthony, Steve Novak, Capn'O, everyone... except maybe Miami :)
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Deeeez Knicks on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:17 pm

I agree with your point about young players in general, but I really think your reaching in our situation. If D'Antoni wanted to boost Lins confidence, why say you have no plans for him?

D'Antoni's love of smart players really doesn't explain why he stuck with TD and Walker so long either. Talk about embarrassing yourself. You don't have to look much further then there play.

I'll just agree to disagree on it all since its pretty pointless. We are headed in the right direction and playing well. I'll give D'Antoni credit for that. When we are underachieving, playing poorly and I feel the coach isn't making the correct adjustments I'll blame him too.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Capn'O on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:25 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I agree with your point about young players in general, but I really think your reaching in our situation. If D'Antoni wanted to boost Lins confidence, why say you have no plans for him?

D'Antoni's love of smart players really doesn't explain why he stuck with TD and Walker so long either. Talk about embarrassing yourself. You don't have to look much further then there play.

I'll just agree to disagree on it all since its pretty pointless. We are headed in the right direction and I'll give D'Antoni some credit for that.


Sure. D'Antoni is here for the time being. If we are healthy and lay an egg in the playoffs serious questions need to be asked. This team _should_ play over .600 the rest of the way and get to the second round this season. The horses are here.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby cgmw on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:44 pm

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I enjoyed every spectacular minute of that disaster.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby JohnStarksTheDunk on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:45 pm

cgmw wrote:
Capn'O wrote:

I enjoyed every spectacular minute of that disaster.


It's amazing to watch that clip and see how shaky he looks compared to now. It's like night and day.

A few things are the same though:

1. attacking the basket
2. being active to get rebounds/steals
3. getting hammered and no foul called
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Capn'O on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:54 pm

Yeah. You can see it in his face. He looked utterly terrified out there.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby hanakuza on Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:25 am

"D’Antoni has called Lin and Davis a potential “two-headed monster,’’ but his experimenting yesterday raised eyebrows, especially amid rumblings Davis could supplant Lin as starting point guard in April."

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/t ... e1G7wdOqEL

Someone needs to fire Berman, he's the only one posting the "grumblings", he's delusional
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby dvd123 on Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:13 am

hanakuza wrote:"D’Antoni has called Lin and Davis a potential “two-headed monster,’’ but his experimenting yesterday raised eyebrows, especially amid rumblings Davis could supplant Lin as starting point guard in April."

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/t ... e1G7wdOqEL

Someone needs to fire Berman, he's the only one posting the "grumblings", he's delusional

Knick do not need two-headed monster. This will confuse the other teammate more for their offense setting.

I see barron offense setting is different from Lin's. Between Barron and Lin . who can make other teammate better when played as PG ?
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Knick Swisher on Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:30 pm

Great post, TKF. Co-sign on all points.
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Re: JUST STOP IT!!

Postby Siem on Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:42 pm

omerome wrote:I swear if we were to win a championship this year or the next season Berman's articles would be

"What Took the Knicks So Long?!"

"Carmelo Couldn't Win Without Lin"

"I Like to Hear Myself Speak"

Okay...the last one was in complete satire but he really is annoying. How can he even reach with a statement like that?



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