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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby BasedJohnson on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:44 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:mike brown may be the worst HC this league has ever known, he and Vinny are like neck and neck for that title


Larry Drew has to be up there too
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby chubby_1_kenobi on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:44 pm

droponov wrote:What's wrong with what he said? I think he's right, Goudelock doesn't bring enough on offense to make up for his defense.

He wants a rookie taken with late second round pick to create for himself, for teammates and score 14-15 points every game before he is willing to play him over Steve Blake.

Nothing wrong with that? Really? What drugs you and Mike Brown are sharing coz it's some potent stuff.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby Tabitha on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:45 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:mike brown may be the worst HC this league has ever known, he and Vinny are like neck and neck for that title


wow not even close
You underestimate Mike Brown and really underestimate how bad VInny of the black is
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby goldenarmz97 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:45 pm

droponov wrote:What's wrong with what he said? I think he's right, Goudelock doesn't bring enough on offense to make up for his defense.

So he brings in an older, even worse defender in Steve Blake (who provides even less of an offensive punch BTW) to anchor the D?
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby RatherUnique on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:45 pm

chubby_1_kenobi wrote:Goudelock's production when given 20+ minutes/game

10.3 ppg with 50% FG


Mike Brown's reasoning on why he prefers Steve Blake over Goudelock
Mike Brown on why Andrew Goudelock is not getting minutes:

"For a young guy he was doing a terrific job for where he was, or what we asked of him. But having said that, he did not create a ton of shots for himself nor for his teammates. It wasn't like he was getting 14 or 15 points or double figure points off the bench, and so I don't think it's as big a deal or as big a difference when you're looking at production, point-wise, that he was giving us on a night in night out basis."

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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby Kerosene on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:48 pm

It'll be fun to see how he adjusts to the pressure of the playoffs in the west. Goudelock needs those minutes, fk a Steve blake.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby twinthunder3 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 pm

He's smart. He knows that his stats will contribute to Bryant scoring less...
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby droponov on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 pm

chubby_1_kenobi wrote:
droponov wrote:What's wrong with what he said? I think he's right, Goudelock doesn't bring enough on offense to make up for his defense.

He wants a rookie taken with late second round pick to create for himself, for teammates and score 14-15 points every game before he is willing to play him over Steve Blake.

Nothing wrong with that? Really? What drugs you and Mike Brown are sharing coz it's some potent stuff.


That's not what he's saying.

He's saying Goudelock isn't producing enough offensively to be on court. He's a very bad defensive player, so if he isn't bringing a lot on offense, its not exactly a big loss.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby droponov on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:50 pm

goldenarmz97 wrote:
droponov wrote:What's wrong with what he said? I think he's right, Goudelock doesn't bring enough on offense to make up for his defense.

So he brings in an older, even worse defender in Steve Blake (who provides even less of an offensive punch BTW) to anchor the D?


Blake is a below average defender. Still many times better than Goudelock.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby Stephano on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:50 pm

droponov wrote:
chubby_1_kenobi wrote:
droponov wrote:What's wrong with what he said? I think he's right, Goudelock doesn't bring enough on offense to make up for his defense.

He wants a rookie taken with late second round pick to create for himself, for teammates and score 14-15 points every game before he is willing to play him over Steve Blake.

Nothing wrong with that? Really? What drugs you and Mike Brown are sharing coz it's some potent stuff.


That's not what he's saying.

He's saying Goudelock isn't producing enough offensively to be on court. He's a very bad defensive player, so if he isn't bringing a lot on offense, its not exactly a big loss.


It's almost impossible to be worse than Blake is on defense though, and he doesn't bring anything on offense either. I can't see a single reason why 1. Blake is over Goudelock and 2. Why Blake is even getting minutes.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby chubby_1_kenobi on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:50 pm

Kinetic Pyro wrote:It'll be fun to see how he adjusts to the pressure of the playoffs in the west. Goudelock needs those minutes, fk a Steve blake.

Fun for Mike Brown to continue messing with him maybe.
This is Goudelock's latest comment on his state of mind;
A second-round draft pick last year from the College of Charleston, Goudelock has made an impression with his strong three-point accuracy (43.2%) and driving teardrop shots that fall almost perfectly over taller defenders' hands.

He's just happy to have a job.

"Almost being cut, I was at the lowest point I've ever been," Goudelock said. "I was calling my parents because I didn't know what else to do. I said, 'I'm sorry. I came out here and did everything I can, but it's just not going to work.' God works in mysterious ways. I don't know how it happened."

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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby qm22 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:51 pm

I honestly think Blake is the worst defender in the NBA, and the worst athlete by an order of magnitude between whoever is second worst.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby mid-post on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:53 pm

bertrob wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:mike brown may be the worst HC this league has ever known, he and Vinny are like neck and neck for that title


wow not even close
You underestimate Mike Brown and really underestimate how bad VInny of the black is

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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby chubby_1_kenobi on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:53 pm

droponov wrote:
That's not what he's saying.

He's saying Goudelock isn't producing enough offensively to be on court. He's a very bad defensive player, so if he isn't bringing a lot on offense, its not exactly a big loss.

"For a young guy he was doing a terrific job for where he was, or what we asked of him. But having said that, he did not create a ton of shots for himself nor for his teammates. It wasn't like he was getting 14 or 15 points or double figure points off the bench, and so I don't think it's as big a deal or as big a difference when you're looking at production, point-wise, that he was giving us on a night in night out basis."

Oh yes, that is what he's saying.

In fact, Mike Brown didn't even mention defense at all, you did.
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Re: Mike Brown explains why he won't play Goudelock

Postby droponov on Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:53 pm

RatherUnique wrote:
chubby_1_kenobi wrote:Goudelock's production when given 20+ minutes/game

10.3 ppg with 50% FG


Mike Brown's reasoning on why he prefers Steve Blake over Goudelock
Mike Brown on why Andrew Goudelock is not getting minutes:

"For a young guy he was doing a terrific job for where he was, or what we asked of him. But having said that, he did not create a ton of shots for himself nor for his teammates. It wasn't like he was getting 14 or 15 points or double figure points off the bench, and so I don't think it's as big a deal or as big a difference when you're looking at production, point-wise, that he was giving us on a night in night out basis."

:nonono: :nonono:


That's falling for a very old trick. Goudelock scored in double digits for... 5 games.

Like many rookies, he looks good when you use splits like "when he plays more than x minutes". It's hugely misleading though, because people often confuse the causation effect. Coaches leave rookies on the floor when they are playing well and producing (which with guys like Goudelock means shooting the ball well and putting up points). That's why there's a correlation between high minutes and high production.

Implying he's good when he gets the opportunity to play +20 mpg is simply wrong. It's the other way around.
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