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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby Ghost of Kleine on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:45 am

RunDogGun wrote:Just started watching the replay of the game, and was wondering why we were getting crap calls. Denver has been wacking guys left and right, Kofus setting moving screens on almost every play, Gortat taking it in the chest, but get a blocking call, etc. and they cut to a commercial, and there is Violet Plamer. Cucking funt! We have won one game in the last two years when she refs our games. Stern must have called in his ringer. :(


And later it is discovered that violet palmer just happens to be robert horrys fiance! as well as tim donaghies half sister!

Who also is set to soon release her own tell all book about how women refs needs to make an example of certain teams to gain more respect to their gender! :dontknow: .
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby JohnVancouver on Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:00 pm

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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby RunDogGun on Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:28 pm

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RunDogGun wrote:Just started watching the replay of the game, and was wondering why we were getting crap calls. Denver has been wacking guys left and right, Kofus setting moving screens on almost every play, Gortat taking it in the chest, but get a blocking call, etc. and they cut to a commercial, and there is Violet Plamer. Cucking funt! We have won one game in the last two years when she refs our games. Stern must have called in his ringer. :(


And later it is discovered that violet palmer just happens to be robert horrys fiance! as well as tim donaghies half sister!

Who also is set to soon release her own tell all book about how women refs needs to make an example of certain teams to gain more respect to their gender! :dontknow: .


Go back and look through the games of ours she has reffed, we rarely ever win those games. I went back through all the games last year, and wrote down all the games reffed, both wins and losses to see which refs were consistently either favoring us or against us. I originally thought that Scott Foster's games would show more losses because he seems to reverse calls in our games, even when he is nowhere near the play. He has reversed at least four calls made by the ref that was right in front of the play. Foster was also one of the refs that was in contact the most with Donaghy.

Violet, however, has consistently been an anti Suns fan. We have only won one of the games she has reffed going back to last season, out of seven, I think. Unfortunately my lists of wins and losses is back in Cali, and I can't access them. I believe when I did the research, counting preseason from last year, we were one and four or one and three with her reffing. And I believe she reffed two games since, both with losses. I don't remember if Mott was another ref that consistently came out with a one and four guy.

Stern has his SS squad, and Violet is definitely on it. She grew up in Compton, yet she is allowed to ref Laker games. Yep, there is no way she was a Laker fan before she reffed. :roll:
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby JohnVancouver on Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:36 pm

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Go back and look through the games of ours she has reffed, we rarely ever win those games. I went back through all the games last year, and wrote down all the games reffed, both wins and losses to see which refs were consistently either favoring us or against us. I originally thought that Scott Foster's games would show more losses because he seems to reverse calls in our games, even when he is nowhere near the play. He has reversed at least four calls made by the ref that was right in front of the play. Foster was also one of the refs that was in contact the most with Donaghy.

Violet, however, has consistently been an anti Suns fan. We have only won one of the games she has reffed going back to last season, out of seven, I think. Unfortunately my lists of wins and losses is back in Cali, and I can't access them. I believe when I did the research, counting preseason from last year, we were one and four or one and three with her reffing. And I believe she reffed two games since, both with losses. I don't remember if Mott was another ref that consistently came out with a one and four guy.

Stern has his SS squad, and Violet is definitely on it. She grew up in Compton, yet she is allowed to ref Laker games. Yep, there is no way she was a Laker fan before she reffed. :roll:



RDG - write it up for the blog/site. Seriously - blow the whistle. NBA reffing is still very suspect to many people, as is much of the league offices doings .... if you've got numbers and stats, call BS on it.

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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby RunDogGun on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:53 pm

John, the proffessor might have better stats than myself. I had to manually go through every game last year, and write down the three officials that reffed every game. I recorded them into wins and losses, and then tallied up my main suspects, or ones that showed up most often on either the win or losses lists. Many were on both, but I wrote down the ones that had the biggest differential.

However, what I really want to do is find refs that grew up in certain cities, and see how they ref games with which could be from their home town. I mean, if you grew up a Celtic fan all your life, and loved the NBA enough to become a ref in that league, should you not ref games involving your favorite team? Also should you then avoid reffing games where your favorite teams rivals play? These refs aren't saints.

For example, I would bet money that Violet is/was a Laker fan growing up in Compton. And in those years, most likely a Magic Johnson fan. Who is/was the Lakers biggest inner division rival? The Clips? :lol: GS? :lol: , nope it would be the Suns. So is it just a coincidence that we lose almost every game that she refs?

Honestly, I am just waiting for the day that some ex ref has a death bed confession that Stern rigs/has rigged the league to suit his wants and needs, and he has his refs do much of the dirty work. For example, if you notice, many of the Suns games has equal or close to equal fouls called, yet the other team may go to the line twice as much. As a ref, you can call away from the ball fouls on one team, but avoid going over the foul limit putting that team into a bonus situation. Also non calls, is what really hurts the Suns. Often consecutive non calls where the Suns are completely taken out of their rhythm. Then once the game is out of hand, they just call a few ticky tacky fouls to try and even out the number of calls.

Donaghy can't be the only ref that figured out these biases and used them to make money. There had to be a few other refs involved, at least on a minor scale. After Crawford came back from his suspension, did he call less fouls on Duncan? Was he allowed to ref their games?

Also, after Jon Barry pointed out through commentation that the Suns were getting shafted in calls during one of the Spurs series games, he didn't get to do many game commentation for a bit. And now, he rarely comments on any ref discrepencies. Coincidence?
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby sunsfan88 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:24 pm

Why do we always get horrible commentators when we're on national TV?

Is Marv Albert or Kevin Harlen too good to be doing the Suns game? Is JVG and Co too good for Phoenix?

It just sucks to have guys like Chris Webber or Bruce Bowen commentating when all they pretty much do is bash the Suns at any chance they can get!

Seriously we better have Marv Albert and Co or Kevin Harlen and Co commentating our game on Tuesday!
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby sunsfan88 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:27 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Just started watching the replay of the game, and was wondering why we were getting crap calls. Denver has been wacking guys left and right, Kofus setting moving screens on almost every play, Gortat taking it in the chest, but get a blocking call, etc. and they cut to a commercial, and there is Violet Plamer. Cucking funt! We have won one game in the last two years when she refs our games. Stern must have called in his ringer. :(


And later it is discovered that violet palmer just happens to be robert horrys fiance! as well as tim donaghies half sister!

Who also is set to soon release her own tell all book about how women refs needs to make an example of certain teams to gain more respect to their gender! :dontknow: .


Go back and look through the games of ours she has reffed, we rarely ever win those games. I went back through all the games last year, and wrote down all the games reffed, both wins and losses to see which refs were consistently either favoring us or against us. I originally thought that Scott Foster's games would show more losses because he seems to reverse calls in our games, even when he is nowhere near the play. He has reversed at least four calls made by the ref that was right in front of the play. Foster was also one of the refs that was in contact the most with Donaghy.

Violet, however, has consistently been an anti Suns fan. We have only won one of the games she has reffed going back to last season, out of seven, I think. Unfortunately my lists of wins and losses is back in Cali, and I can't access them. I believe when I did the research, counting preseason from last year, we were one and four or one and three with her reffing. And I believe she reffed two games since, both with losses. I don't remember if Mott was another ref that consistently came out with a one and four guy.

Stern has his SS squad, and Violet is definitely on it. She grew up in Compton, yet she is allowed to ref Laker games. Yep, there is no way she was a Laker fan before she reffed. :roll:

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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby RunDogGun on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:27 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:Why do we always get horrible commentators when we're on national TV?

Is Marv Albert or Kevin Harlen too good to be doing the Suns game? Is JVG and Co too good for Phoenix?

It just sucks to have guys like Chris Webber or Bruce Bowen commentating when all they pretty much do is bash the Suns at any chance they can get!

Seriously we better have Marv Albert and Co or Kevin Harlen and Co commentating our game on Tuesday!


Because Stern doesn't want good commentators covering Suns games, they may point out how poorly his refs do of a job. When in they are really doing a good job of following Stern's orders.
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby RunDogGun on Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:38 pm

Sometimes I do have too much time on my hands. I don't sleep very well, so often I am up late, and if I can't find a site that can answer my questions, I have to do the research myself. Yes it took a long time going through the ninety games, preseason and regular of last year, but actually I should have done a better job. I should have written down teams played, home or away, division played, and much much more. It would have given me more information to look back on, and to form a better hypothesis.

The bigger question after coming to the conclusion that Stern rigs this league, is why I still watch games, and love a team that is clearly not on Stern's love list? Well when I came to this conclusion, we still had a team that could shoot their way out of the fix. Even if the refs tried their best to help the opposing team win the game, somehow, the Suns made their shots. But now, it is coming to a head. Without Nash, we will need to have or find players that can shoot an insane percentage to overcome the fix.
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby sunsfan88 on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:10 pm

I don't think Stern hates the Suns players or fans or anything....I think just like most of the fans, he hates Robert Sarver. And he takes it out by punishing us poor fans and hardworking players like Nash.

Good news is that Stern is only supposed to be the commissioner for a few more years.
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby RunDogGun on Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:36 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:I don't think Stern hates the Suns players or fans or anything....I think just like most of the fans, he hates Robert Sarver. And he takes it out by punishing us poor fans and hardworking players like Nash.

Good news is that Stern is only supposed to be the commissioner for a few more years.


I don't know if he hates the Suns, but they are not on his love list. And this goes back way before Sarver bought the team.

I am sure that the world was happy when Kim Jong Il died, but his son could be just as insane. Like I said earlier, it will have to be a ref on his death bed confessing for this to equal out. It would be hard to run a fix this big without second and third in command knowing what's up. Remember Stern knows where the bodies are buried.(his own words)
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby sunsfan88 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:22 am

What teams are on his love list?
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby RunDogGun on Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:43 am

sunsfan88 wrote:What teams are on his love list?


Well the Lakers and Celtics for sure, they literally saved the league for him. The Spurs are on that list. Stern called them a dynasty before they even made it to the WCFs, and when Stern was sick during this summer's negotiations, the Spur's owner took his spot. He can also use the "not all big market teams win chips" line, as well as getting as many world fans, because of the diverse roster.

I think OKC is on that list because those fans really showed their support for the league when NOHs played there after Katrina.
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Re: Game 64: Nuggets (34-28) @ Suns (33-30)

Postby Calvin Klein on Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:16 am

Those commentators do marquee games. And we are not part of those games. It's pretty obvious really.
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