The Draft Thread

[alwayslovetheceltics]

nice move by the Packers picking up Dale Moss as a free agent. I wanted him for the pats.

Jeff, out of all of the players that were not drafted, who is your guess for making the most impact next season?

[Icness]

UDFAs are real tough to forecast. A few I like:
Jacquies Smith to the Dolphins. Top player comp for him would be Cam Wake
Derrius Brooks to the Bengals, though that's a very crowded secondary
Aston Whiteside to Dallas. Special teams, worthy LB project.
Carson Wiggs to Seattle. He can win the kicking job.
Sammy Brown to the Rams. He could click nicely with Chuck Cecil. I like Alex Hoffman Ellis and Matt Conrath there too.
Kadarron Anderson to the Saints
Eric Page and Leonard Johnson to Tampa. Had 6th round grades on both those guys, liked the more than that at earlier times.
Lamark Brown to the Falcons
Randy Colling to the Packers

But my UDFA winners so far are the Bears and Jets
Bears took my Mr. Irrelevant pick Ronnie Cameron, plus Alvester Alexander, James Brown, and Adrien Cole. Every one of those guys is no worse than 50/50 to make the team.

Jets took Ryan Steed, GJ Kinne, Marcus Dowtin, Brett Roy, Donnie Fletcher and Damon Harrison. I had Steed as a 4th-5th rounder, all the others as 6th rounders. Harrison could be a steal if his knees hold up.

[Icness]

I'm doing behind-the-scenes digging today on some of the more questionable picks, like the Patriots two safeties, Cousins to WAS, pretty much every Lions pick after Ronnell Lewis, some of the fallers. Might take a few days as lots of the people I connect to are travelling and then taking their week off.

[SpeedyG]

Brock Osweiler says "Ya know" more than any person ever. He sounds like an idiot.

He seems like a genuinely good kid and real excited to play though.

You know, I think Justin Blackmon's got him beat on that.

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[Celtics_Champs]

I'm doing behind-the-scenes digging today on some of the more questionable picks, like the Patriots two safeties, Cousins to WAS, pretty much every Lions pick after Ronnell Lewis, some of the fallers. Might take a few days as lots of the people I connect to are travelling and then taking their week off.

Report from Mike Reiss is that multiple teams were ready to pounce on Tavon Wilson.

I'm happy with there late round selections. My only fault was that the packers seemed to get the better of the patriots in the trades. Basically, a 2nd rounder for a late 3rd, 2 6ths and a 7. Fuggin steal.

[Icness]

I'll buy that Wilson might have gone in the 3rd. But there wasn't anither team that was going to touch Ebert before the late 7th. I do know that the Pats forced the Lions to trade up for Greenwood, so I guess there's that.

I'm going to enjoy watching all the prominent talking heads eat their own feces when Chandler Jones is a rotational end getting 3.5 sacks a year in 3 years. Nobody liked him until everyone suddenly did and it sure as hell didn't come from anything he did on the field. I vastly prefer Bruce Irvin.

[RaoulDuke79]

Any thoughts on the Texans draft? Can Posey be the #2 WR they've been looking for forever? Can we please finally say goodbye to Mr. Jones?

[TSE]

Posey was a mega-reach, I thought they could have had a decent draft if they just replaced that pick. Granted I don't know much about Posey, but I've seen the WR they took almost 2 rounds later rated higher than Posey on a lot of rankings boards. That's fine if you think you found a gem, but you should find a gem for every round and they should have found a commonly ranked 3rd rounder that surely wouldn't be available and a guy like a Sean Spence would have no chance of dropping to the later rounds, but perhaps a guy like Posey could have.

Don't they need LB help anyhow? And then to boot they took some low profile OT and a K in place of very interesting LB choices that were still around in the 5th and the 6th. Bullock seems like one of the better kickers so not a huge deal there but they should have gambled a little longer on filling their Kicker need. So questionable 3-5-6 picks, but good 1-3-4-4 picks.

My draft grade for them is a C, and it's only that high because almost every other team bombed their drafts too.

[Pharmcat]

i really enjoyed the draft

that is all

[TSE]

i really enjoyed the draft

that is all

I didn't really. I think ESPN and the NFL Network do a lousy job of recapping the picks. They profile many lower profile players seemingly at random but then they completely don't even talk about some of the higher profile players and picks. They should have clips and information/analysis on every single pick in the draft, and a better system of communicating team needs and how each additional pick contributes to the overall team drafting map. It would also be nice for the fans to learn about and be introduced to all of these new players by having at least one sentence or clip of effort contributed in the very least. It's a horrible presentation from an enjoyability standpoint imo.

[Pharmcat]

i really enjoyed the draft

that is all

I didn't really. I think ESPN and the NFL Network do a lousy job of recapping the picks. They profile many lower profile players seemingly at random but then they completely don't even talk about some of the higher profile players and picks. They should have clips and information/analysis on every single pick in the draft, and a better system of communicating team needs and how each additional pick contributes to the overall team drafting map. It would also be nice for the fans to learn about and be introduced to all of these new players by having at least one sentence or clip of effort contributed in the very least. It's a horrible presentation from an enjoyability standpoint imo.

thats why I ignore their "analysis" and just wait for Iceness to post his stuff

[alwayslovetheceltics]

CC and Jeff-
any truth to the rumor that the Chargers were going to pick Wilson the pick after NE (chargers pick was 49, Wilson was 48).

Also the Texans apparently liked him?

I'm doing behind-the-scenes digging today on some of the more questionable picks, like the Patriots two safeties, Cousins to WAS, pretty much every Lions pick after Ronnell Lewis, some of the fallers. Might take a few days as lots of the people I connect to are travelling and then taking their week off.

Report from Mike Reiss is that multiple teams were ready to pounce on Tavon Wilson.

I'm happy with there late round selections. My only fault was that the packers seemed to get the better of the patriots in the trades. Basically, a 2nd rounder for a late 3rd, 2 6ths and a 7. Fuggin steal.

[TSE]

thats why I ignore their "analysis" and just wait for Iceness to post his stuff

Yeah but even he can't cover everybody. Plus it would be nice if Iceness had a staff of people that could look through the game tape of every single player that could possibly be drafted and edit out at least 15 seconds of their best footage so we could at least see a glimpse of them, and at least one lousy factoid about what makes the player stand out to deserve the right to be drafted. To me it's a big deal for any player to get drafted, that's news to me that needs reporting on, and on the magical box we call "television". There needs to be a specialized network just to cover this sport.

[Icness]

Any thoughts on the Texans draft? Can Posey be the #2 WR they've been looking for forever? Can we please finally say goodbye to Mr. Jones?

Had Posey played all year with a QB that has any sort of accuracy he might have justified that pick. Maybe. I agree with TSE, I like Keshawn Martin more though they play different roles. Martin is Kevin Walter in this offense. Posey isn't nearly as explosive as Jones and carries some of the same knocks. Regardless of how much Posey brings to the table I think Jones is done in Houston. Don't forget about Lestar Jean from last year, the Texans love him.

Love Ben Jones for Houston. Immediately no worse than the top interior backup and can play all three inside OL positions, could capably start at any of them. I don't get Brandon Brooks. Like the player, not the scheme fit; he's a leaning mauler, not a mobile zone guy. My guess is he becomes a short-yardage situational sub and that's too early to take one of those. I like the Bullock pick, clutch local guy and they needed a kicker. I doubt Crick ever cracks the active roster, because the 2011 version of him was completely undraftable. Smart to pick up Case Keenum as a UDFA and he's similar to Yates, plus the UH angle doesn't hurt. I also like Desmond Marrow and Shawn Loiseau a lot. Loiseau could be the #3 ILB by the end of camp. The tackle from Mary Hardin Baylor is a Rick Smith special. I have never seen him play but I know Smith personally scouted him.

[Icness]

CC and Jeff-
any truth to the rumor that the Chargers were going to pick Wilson the pick after NE (chargers pick was 49, Wilson was 48).

Also the Texans apparently liked him?

Report from Mike Reiss is that multiple teams were ready to pounce on Tavon Wilson.

I'm happy with there late round selections. My only fault was that the packers seemed to get the better of the patriots in the trades. Basically, a 2nd rounder for a late 3rd, 2 6ths and a 7. Fuggin steal.

He was on Houston's radar but not until at least the 4th round. Can't speak for San Diego but they got a better player in Brandon Taylor some 20 picks later.

And I agree the Packers schooled the Pats on the trade front.