Rose injury to impact Thib negotiations?

[jl342323]

fatigue was a key factor, period. that is why i said if there was something to blame it on, it was fatigue.

anorexorcism's friend has some valid points. i commend him for speaking his mind in a very classy way.

http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/c ... t2452.html

The fatigued athletes were less likely to bend their knees on landing and were more likely to land with their knees turned inward.

a quote from the article. this is exactly what happened to drose.

this was what, 6th game in like 40+ days for drose?

I think I misread this the first time, are you saying Rose was not in game shape like everyone else so his minutes really should have been monitored? That could actually havea lot of substance to it.

On TNT they were talking about this, getting into game shape, and how you can't do it, it just comes eventually from playing (this wasn't about Rose).

So I can't speak to what limits Rose had or should have had, but, yes, that's actually something worth asking for sure.

i wouldve liked to see drose play 30 minutes and build his conditioning and confidence in the first round.

it was clear (at least to me) that drose could used some light playing time to build up his stamina and get the chemistry back with his teammates. there really was no need to stress his body and play him 40 minutes in his 6th game in over 40 days.

and there is rip and boozer. rip played 27 minutes with no appearance in the 4th and boozer also played 27 minutes with 3 in the 4th. i dont know if thibs is preserving them for the future or he just likes to go with his bench in the clutch.

drose's minutes shouldve been limited to 32 per game at least in the first round. just my opinion

[Professor Frink]

Why are we still looking for people to blame for a freak injury? Fact is Rose could have been reinjured at any point this postseason. Too many injuries piled up.

This wont affect Thibs and he is still arguably the best coach in basketball.

This. Thibs and the team were careful with Derrick. He had just sat the last game of the season to spare him from playing back to backs. In fact, aside from Deng, Thibs hasn't played anyone heavy minutes this year.

A torn ACL is the most freak of all freak injuries. It could happen to any player at any time.

[Red Larrivee]

A heartfelt and passionate post from my friend Dils at BAB that sums it up better than I can, directed towards the "**** happens" camp:

I think the “Hey **** happens” excuse is the most condescending and insulting thing imaginable right now. It’s a knee jerk excuse by writers and media types who’s default position is that the coach is always right. I watched Scott Skiles run Tyson Chandler out of town with nothing in return and the media not say **** under the same premise. Because Skiles was a “good coach” and must have had a good reason for not wanting Tyson around. Now who’s got the ring?

No one is saying that Thibs is responsible for Rose being hurt but he is responsible for Rose getting hurt when it didn’t matter. This wasn’t a simple “sudden injury” moment. What we witnessed this season was the slow deterioration of a 23 year old world class athlete from injury to injury to now a possible career altering situation in the span of 6 months with no two injuries being the same. When have you ever seen that happened in any sport, especially in today’s world of rehab and medicine?? It was sickening to witness and I can’t let it go.

No this wasn’t a fluke, It was a mishandled situation from jump with the aid of a coach that insisted on an all or nothing policy in terms of effort and playing time when it came to Rose and Deng. It was either Rose is out or he’s playing 40 minutes and there was no moderation whatsoever. Also the excuse of wanting him to close out games would make since if we didn’t watch him play Deng 40+ mins after his hand injury in February. It’s not just on Thibs, it’s on the organization as well for running a 6’3 PG into the ground since last season. So for this we all suffer.

When Skip Bayless is on the side of Thibodeau and believes Rose should've been in the game, you know something's up.

You can't game plan for freak injuries. The Spurs last year sat Ginobili, Duncan and Parker in the 2nd game before the playoffs. The next game they decided to play, and Ginobili injured his elbow. Omg fire Pop, Pop-Gate!!!

[nomorezorro]

the difference is that popovich was clearly taking precautions in a way that thibodeau never has

[Red Larrivee]

the difference is that popovich was clearly taking precautions in a way that thibodeau never has

That's not the point. The point is a big injury like that can happen at anytime regardless if you're taking precaution or not. You can't game plan for injuries. It's impossible.

[Professor Frink]

the difference is that popovich was clearly taking precautions in a way that thibodeau never has

Thibs sat Rose and Deng in the last game of the season to avoid them playing in back to backs.

[babblin-on]

the difference is that popovich was clearly taking precautions in a way that thibodeau never has

That's not the point. The point is a big injury like that can happen at anytime regardless if you're taking precaution or not. You can't game plan for injuries. It's impossible.

True, but you can take reasonable precautions. A fairly common precaution is taking key players out with a comfortable lead and little time remaining. That precaution would have prevented the ACL tear from happening Saturday.

[AirP.]

I get that people want to blame Thibs, and I myself think he plays some players too much when he doesn't have to. But this is on Rose also, if not more.

But if you're Derrick Rose, you're up by 12 with 1:30 left and you know you're not 100% healthy, why do anything risky at that point if you don't have to? Play a little safer, especially after sitting a game then logging big minutes the next. I'm not saying you have to play safer all game long, but it was pretty much over, was there really a need to attack the basket or make a jump step when you've been injured nearly all year?

The Chicago organization would be STUPID to let Thibs walk. The way the man coaches, he builds championship contenders with his great knowledge and teachings on defense. The only thing wrong with Thibs IMHO is that he's lacking on the offensive side which is easily fixed by the FO giving him more offensive players(through FA/Trades) and drafting him bigs to rebound and play defense(to save on money). I really believe Thib's style is quite easy to reload talent for, but I currently think it's not constructed correctly. Dominate the boards and get more offensive talent on the wings.

[Mech Engineer]

the difference is that popovich was clearly taking precautions in a way that thibodeau never has

That's not the point. The point is a big injury like that can happen at anytime regardless if you're taking precaution or not. You can't game plan for injuries. It's impossible.

True, but you can take reasonable precautions. A fairly common precaution is taking key players out with a comfortable lead and little time remaining. That precaution would have prevented the ACL tear from happening Saturday.

Exactly...my point too. Every rational fan knows that you take the star players out during a blow-out or a decided game at the end of games as freak injuries can happen. Again, this has been shouted out by so many fans that even Reinsdorf has mentioned it. Why this hurts so much are two things:
1. It happened to the Bulls best player
2. A lot of us were screaming at the top of our lungs at Thibs to take Rose out just before this happened. We were not doing that in the beginning of the 1st quarter or 2nd quarter. So, it is ridiculous to say this could have happened in the 1st quarter. Then, we accept it and move on differently.

[MVP Rose]

The people using Thibs as a scapegoat make me sick to my stomach. Rose tore his ACL based on an accumulation of other injuries that changed the way he was landing on his jumps..this injury could have happened the first minute of the game, 2nd quarter, next series, or the ECF. Thibodeau leaving him in had nothing to do with it

If this team legitimately loses Thibs because they blame him for not taking Rose out--i would lose a lot of faith in management..thibs is the 2nd best thing to happen to Bulls basketball in the last 14 years

[MVP Rose]

2. A lot of us were screaming at the top of our lungs at Thibs to take Rose out just before this happened. We were not doing that in the beginning of the 1st quarter or 2nd quarter. So, it is ridiculous to say this could have happened in the 1st quarter. Then, we accept it and move on differently.

A 10 point game with a minute and a half remaining and the opposing team on a run isn't a "blowout" , I suspect you saw what happened to Memphis last night?

People need to stop blaming or pointing fingers for injuries. Rose absorbed NO contact, his injury could have happened whenever, it doesn't matter that Thibs left him out there. Rose didn't need to be "taken out" of a 10 point game, he needed to get his timing back and get game action, along with ensuring that the Sixers didn't go on a wild run

[Irregular]

Thibs need to tone down his obsessive compulsiveness to try to win every game at all costs.

It cost the Bulls Derrick Rose this season. He could have rested rose more against the 76ers.

[Professor Frink]

Thibs need to tone down his obsessive compulsiveness to try to win every game at all costs.

It cost the Bulls Derrick Rose this season. He could have rested rose more against the 76ers.

That was a playoff game. All coaches do everything they can to win playoff games.

[Mech Engineer]

2. A lot of us were screaming at the top of our lungs at Thibs to take Rose out just before this happened. We were not doing that in the beginning of the 1st quarter or 2nd quarter. So, it is ridiculous to say this could have happened in the 1st quarter. Then, we accept it and move on differently.

A 10 point game with a minute and a half remaining and the opposing team on a run isn't a "blowout" , I suspect you saw what happened to Memphis last night?

People need to stop blaming or pointing fingers for injuries. Rose absorbed NO contact, his injury could have happened whenever, it doesn't matter that Thibs left him out there. Rose didn't need to be "taken out" of a 10 point game, he needed to get his timing back and get game action, along with ensuring that the Sixers didn't go on a wild run

You didn't read the post. If it happened in the beginning of 3rd quarter, it is a different perspective. And, BTW Memphis was choking from 9 mins out. It is not the same and Rose is more important to the Bulls in too many ways. That's the whole point of playing the 76ers...to get his timing back slowly in 4/5 games rather than in 1 game or an intense series.

Nobody is saying Thibs has to be fired or low-balled. This is a big time disaster which could have been avoided at the moment it happened. It might have happened later or not happened later...we don't know that. I guess there are people who are just adamant that Thibs is not responsible for anything. He is a great coach but even great people have faults and this fault of overplaying his stars bit the Bulls in the back big time. That's the reality as a Bulls fan who has no control except to say I told this would happen if Thibs did this.

[Irregular]

Thibs need to tone down his obsessive compulsiveness to try to win every game at all costs.

It cost the Bulls Derrick Rose this season. He could have rested rose more against the 76ers.

That was a playoff game. All coaches do everything they can to win playoff games.

Against an 8th seed? With the lead?

I would have limited Rose's minutes until Miami.