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Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby FJS on Tue May 01, 2012 12:09 pm

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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby HolyToledo on Tue May 01, 2012 1:04 pm

It is hard for the Utah Jazz to overcome the Spurs as well as an idiotic coach in Corbin. Sometimes I wonder if Corbin simply dislikes Favors bc he refuses to play his best player any significant minutes. I guarantee the Spurs and Popovich love the fact that Favors doesnt play 35 plus minutes. Unfortunately, Favors and us are stuck with this idiot for many years to come.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby Ming Kong! on Tue May 01, 2012 1:33 pm

Hard to say if Favors is our best player, he, like most our players, is pretty inconsistent. He looks polished one day, raw another. I don't have a big problem with his minutes anymore, but Kanter has been pretty screwed for a 3rd pick this season. I mean most of us saw it coming, but still. I really just hate the lack of adjustments and other traits which definitely carried over from Sloan. Sloan's major faults were that he was very conservative with his lineups, minute management (including when he inserted players throughout the game), and much too often failed to make timely timeouts during runs. Corbin has these negatives, and unfortunately I don't think he can have the locker room impact, voice in the huddle, nor improve his team through practices the way Sloan did. Those were Sloan's strengths, creating overachievers.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby FJS on Tue May 01, 2012 1:59 pm

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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby HolyToledo on Tue May 01, 2012 3:14 pm

When I say Favors is our best player ...Im counting defense. He is one of the best defenders in the league already and he will be the best defender in the league in a year or two. Offensively he is awkward but scores and finishes well. He is making a free throws for the most part. If you ask the Spurs, pick the one Utah Jazz player you want on your team to help you win it all THIS season. They pick Favors #1, Hayward #2, Millsap #3, and probably dont want anyone else from the Jazz roster. Jefferson's only strength is rebounding and scoring against undersized bigs. Thats it. Spurs dont have undersized bigs as such Jefferson should play limited minutes or at least have Favors in the game to cover for his defenseless ass.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby BarneyGumble on Tue May 01, 2012 4:43 pm

Regardless of if he's our best player...the fact JOSH HOWARD is starting tells you all you need to know about Corbin's dumb ass.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby QuantumMacgyver on Tue May 01, 2012 4:43 pm

You guys do realize that we are in the playoffs right? Supposed to be the worst team in the west and here we are in the playoffs. PLAYOFFS?! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS?!
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby jazzgasm on Tue May 01, 2012 6:17 pm

Go jazz get #1 baby 8-)
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby co_laper on Wed May 02, 2012 6:36 am

Here's what I thought was disappointing from a Jazz point of view.

Lots of people are comparing Utah with Memphis because of their size. While that is true, but Memphis was a much more confidence team. For one, Memphis purposely tanked to get us in the first round because they believe they match up better. And then the star players were all incredibly confident that they can beat us.

It's a lot different than what I'm seeing right now from Utah about how Al Jefferson is playing like he's in awe of Duncan and basically giving him too much respect. And the team as a whole and even the fan base just felt like they're happy to be in the playoffs as opposed to really believing they could win the series.

That IMO was the biggest contrast I'm seeing between Utah and Memphis.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby Aroh on Wed May 02, 2012 7:50 am

co_laper wrote:Here's what I thought was disappointing from a Jazz point of view.

Lots of people are comparing Utah with Memphis because of their size. While that is true, but Memphis was a much more confidence team. For one, Memphis purposely tanked to get us in the first round because they believe they match up better. And then the star players were all incredibly confident that they can beat us.

It's a lot different than what I'm seeing right now from Utah about how Al Jefferson is playing like he's in awe of Duncan and basically giving him too much respect. And the team as a whole and even the fan case just felt like they're happy to be in the playoffs as opposed to really believing they could win the series.

That IMO was the biggest contract I'm seeing between Utah and Memphis.



I could not agree more. It is really frustrating watching Jefferson play in this series because I honestly get the feeling he is perfectly fine with just making the playoffs and getting swept in the playoffs. It does not help that he is in love with his idol in Duncan. The rest of the team isn't that bad but I still get the feeling from most of them are just happy to be here. It really reminds me of the Boozer/Dwill team(s) that were afraid of the Lakers. I really want to see Jefferson come out with some freaking fire and intensity and play and act like he is a better player than Duncan because offensively he can be definitely in this series. Anyways I could rant about my frustration with Big Al forever.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby co_laper on Wed May 02, 2012 8:16 am

I'm really interested what changes Utah will do for game 2. The one thing I'm hearing is how they planned on being rough with Parker with hopes that it stops Parker from getting to the lane. That's absurd. Our big 3 has seen just about every defense. Our big 3 has been beaten, pushed, fouled, and thrown to the floor by the very best in the league for the last decade and survived to win 4 championships. The best defensive team we ever faced was the Pistons and I hardly believe Al Jefferson/Millsap will be rougher than the team's we've faced over the years. It would be different if it was our younger guys who got to the paint and then you'll give hard fouls. You knock down Gary Neal a bunch of times and maybe he'll stop getting to the paint. But that's not gonna work to Parker/Manu/Duncan. And really, if that rough fouls is the biggest thing Devin Harris or Al Jefferson is hoping to do to keep Parker out of the paint, this is gonna be a really quick series.

I've been saying this in our board, but our defense isn't elite. I don't expect our defense to completely shut down Utah. I do expect us to keep Al and Millsap to their usual averages instead of blowing out for 30 ppg for the series. Our defense is average. It is our offense that is elite and unless Utah or any other team finds a way to stop it, then our offense will likely win the ball game. And make no mistake, the Spurs offense revolves around being able to get to the paint. As a Spurs fan, there were games where Pop sit out both Manu and Parker. We're left with shooters everywhere with no penetration from anyone. Our offense is in shambles when we get no penetration. So the key to stopping Spurs offense is to stop the penetration. But that's easier said than done. Spurs space the floor incredibly well and even if you shut off Parker's driving lane, that usually leaves open lanes for the bigs or open 3 pointers.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby Lava Rock Kid on Wed May 02, 2012 9:50 am

Everytime Parker enters the lane he better be on his backside. Spurs need an injury.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby QuantumMacgyver on Wed May 02, 2012 10:24 am

co_laper wrote:I'm really interested what changes Utah will do for game 2. The one thing I'm hearing is how they planned on being rough with Parker with hopes that it stops Parker from getting to the lane. That's absurd. Our big 3 has seen just about every defense. Our big 3 has been beaten, pushed, fouled, and thrown to the floor by the very best in the league for the last decade and survived to win 4 championships. The best defensive team we ever faced was the Pistons and I hardly believe Al Jefferson/Millsap will be rougher than the team's we've faced over the years. It would be different if it was our younger guys who got to the paint and then you'll give hard fouls. You knock down Gary Neal a bunch of times and maybe he'll stop getting to the paint. But that's not gonna work to Parker/Manu/Duncan. And really, if that rough fouls is the biggest thing Devin Harris or Al Jefferson is hoping to do to keep Parker out of the paint, this is gonna be a really quick series.

I've been saying this in our board, but our defense isn't elite. I don't expect our defense to completely shut down Utah. I do expect us to keep Al and Millsap to their usual averages instead of blowing out for 30 ppg for the series. Our defense is average. It is our offense that is elite and unless Utah or any other team finds a way to stop it, then our offense will likely win the ball game. And make no mistake, the Spurs offense revolves around being able to get to the paint. As a Spurs fan, there were games where Pop sit out both Manu and Parker. We're left with shooters everywhere with no penetration from anyone. Our offense is in shambles when we get no penetration. So the key to stopping Spurs offense is to stop the penetration. But that's easier said than done. Spurs space the floor incredibly well and even if you shut off Parker's driving lane, that usually leaves open lanes for the bigs or open 3 pointers.


People are misinterpreting what the Jazz mean when they say they need to get more "physical" with the Spurs, especially Parker. They don't mean beat Tony up and throw him to the floor. Rather, they mean always keeping a body on him, hard screens, hard cuts, forcing players out of position. That sort of thing. So, it isn't about being rough, it's about keeping bodies on guys.
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby HolyToledo on Wed May 02, 2012 10:40 am

QuantumMacgyver wrote:You guys do realize that we are in the playoffs right? Supposed to be the worst team in the west and here we are in the playoffs. PLAYOFFS?! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS?!


I understand what you are saying, and none of us expect the Jazz to win this series. The only thing we want is for the Jazz to put out there the best possible lineup and see how we do. Thats all. Corbin is not doing that!
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Re: Game 2: Utah Jazz 0 vs San Antonio Spurs 1

Postby FJS on Wed May 02, 2012 11:05 am

Jazz ready to give Parker 'a hard foul or two'

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