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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby SJSF on Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:36 pm

Andrew Toney. A great scorer, but only had a few good years do to injury. Gordon is injury prone. And for that kind of money, i would have to pass. Brand was never the same after his injury. And guards if they lose a step or their ability to leap. They won't be the same do to injury.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby ExplosionsInDaSky on Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:45 pm

I don't want to see us sink a bunch of money into a player that can't stay healthy. I love Eric Gordon but damn his injury issues scare me. We all saw what putting all our eggs in one basket can do when we signed Elton Brand. Signing Gordon and having him get injured would really set this franchise back.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby The Sixer Fixer on Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:48 pm

Kobe Bryant was pretty injury prone early in his career....that worked out pretty well for him I would say.

While Gordon missed the majority of this season, it wasn't really a major injury he had (damage wise) . It was initially a bone bruise which eventually required arthroscopic surgery to have loose cartilage cleaned out. It sounds worse than it is really and let's be honest, he had no incentive to rush back from it. He got his few games in at the end of the year to prove he was healthy for interested parties. I doubt New Orleans wanted to rush him back out there since they were obviously in the #1 pick hunt (which they got of course).

He's the only 20+ PPG option out there and he really fills multiple needs for this team. He's the only FA out there (not counting Deron) who has "franchise player" potential.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby sixersreal on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:02 pm

The Sixer Fixer wrote:
freshie2 wrote:Not unless he's the PG...he's too short for a SG defensively. Never understood all of the Gordon love...especially after this season.



argghhh....why, why, why do people think he's weak defensively? It's simply not true. Statistically, he's been one the best if you look at points given up per shot.

I would say it's widely accepted by most experts that Gordon is in the top 5-8 defensive SG's in the NBA (if not higher). Once again, I feel like this is a case where people look at his height and think that alone makes him poor on D. First off, he's got one of the stronger bodies for NBA SG's. Secondly, he's got an extremely long wing span. Third, he's one the quickest guys laterally, which allows him to stay in front of his man. And lastly, he's got an excellent vertical. His technique is very good too. He has all the qualities you look for in a good defender.


Totally agree, to me, only Kobe, Wade, maybe Harden are better all around at SG.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby Skates on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:13 pm

I absolutely love eric Gordon for all of the reasons posters have stated above. But he reminds me too much of the Elton Brand situation all over again. High end, but not quite superstar player coming off of injury plagued season and we need to pretty much blindly (physicals only tell you so much, not how a guy will perform or hold up over time) commit near max dollars and years to. If he was a Kobe/Wade/LeBron level talent maybe you take that risk, but right now I will have to pass on him.

The risk is even greater now with the new lux cap rules making payrolls tighter in the next few years.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby The Sixer Fixer on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:28 pm

Would people feel any more comfortable giving a max type deal to D. Howard or Bynum?

Howard is coming off back surgery (worse than what Gordon just had IMO) and Bynum has been more injury prone than Gordon to this point in his career. I'm always more worried about big guys with injuries too.

Let's say D. Rose was a FA this year...major injury of course...would you go after him?

Blake Griffin had knee issues in college, then missed his entire rookie year...would we say he's injury prone and not go after him.

D. Wade missed a good chunk of games during his first 5 years in the league. Relatively healthy the last 4 (nothing making him miss games at least).

Is this a situation where if the guys is elite level, you ignore the injuries and take the risk, but if the guy isn't quite elite you let it block a deal?

I really don't see the similarities to Brand besides the fact he was the last major signing we had. Brand was way older and coming off a MAJOR injury. Yes, we took that risk and it backfired, but you can't let that stop you from ever taking another risk like that.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby 51X3RF4N on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:08 pm

Gasol missed 10% of his NBA games in 10 seasons. Why not skip all the injury history crap and just go get a solid, steady All Star for Iggy? :) Flame on!
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby P2K on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:11 pm

Some of these Sixers fans just don't learn. You don't hand out big money to somebody that is coming off of a big injury. Especially when that player isn't a superstar. If the Brand signing didn't teach you, nothing will.

Go after Deron Williams.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby sixersreal on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:28 pm

P2K wrote:Some of these Sixers fans just don't learn. You don't hand out big money to somebody that is coming off of a big injury. Especially when that player isn't a superstar. If the Brand signing didn't teach you, nothing will.

Go after Deron Williams.

Ok, and what if it will not work? Witch is like 80%, Neither D12, what's next?
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby Typeical on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:31 pm

sixersreal wrote:
P2K wrote:Some of these Sixers fans just don't learn. You don't hand out big money to somebody that is coming off of a big injury. Especially when that player isn't a superstar. If the Brand signing didn't teach you, nothing will.

Go after Deron Williams.

Ok, and what if it will not work? Witch is like 80%, Neither D12, what's next?


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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby Foshan on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:37 pm

If we were to go after Gordon, I'd try hard to get a Jrue for Kanter deal done. Gordon actually handled the point well as a Clip, and it would let Turner really play that role witht he ball in his hands much of the time.

Turner/Gordon/Iggy/Vucevic/Kanter (LWill/Young/#15- BPA, i could see Henson being here to be a great defensive complement to Vucevic/Kanter.)
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby 51X3RF4N on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:42 pm

Some serious thoughts on Gordon as a player. He's got athleticism to match Iggy's. He can blow by any defender at will with his first step. He's more explosive at the rim than anyone on the Sixers except for Iggy. He finishes strong and can finish through contact. His jumper is very smooth. He can create space for himself easily. He scores at will. His long arms make up for a 6'3 frame. His handle is good and he has great body control. He can easily average 22-25ppg if healthy. His BBIQ seems very high too.

From an offensive standpoint, he's everything you want in a SG and would fit well next to either ET or Jrue at PG and Iggy at SF. I question whether there would be enough to get a decent big on the team though. Can Jrue or ET plus 15/Thad bring in a big man? Iggy and EG on the break? Iggy and EG throwing it down with force every night? Pretty exciting.

The injuries are concerning. So is the fact that he shoots quite a lot. 13 shots per game to get 18ppg career numbers. He does get to the FT line a lot though.

Jrue/EG/Iggy/Allen/?? or ET/EG/Iggy/Allen/??

Both are intriguing lineups for sure.
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby Typeical on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:56 pm

Foshan wrote:If we were to go after Gordon, I'd try hard to get a Jrue for Kanter deal done. Gordon actually handled the point well as a Clip, and it would let Turner really play that role witht he ball in his hands much of the time.

Turner/Gordon/Iggy/Vucevic/Kanter (LWill/Young/#15- BPA, i could see Henson being here to be a great defensive complement to Vucevic/Kanter.)


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Jrue for Kanter :roll:

Jrue for Favors :nod:
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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby The Sixer Fixer on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:58 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:The injuries are concerning. So is the fact that he shoots quite a lot. 13 shots per game to get 18ppg career numbers. He does get to the FT line a lot though.



The points per shot ration is actually very good by SG standards. He gets to the line more than most other SG so that helps a lot.

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Re: Eric Gordon

Postby Typeical on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:00 pm

I dont see the Hornets letting Eric Gordon go though so I wont waste my precious energy
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