New Orleans willing to trade the 10th pick

[BassWhoopin]

This board severely overrates the likes of JJ Redick, its pretty much out of control. I like JJ he works hard and is a very smart player. But at the end of the day he is a role player. Ariza is the same age and gives the magic something that they dont have, which is a guy on the perimeter that can guard the other teams best perimeter scorer. Ariza is athletic has good size, can hit the open shot, run the floor, championship expierence.

The magic need to upgrade their perimeter, Hedo is basically untradeable unless you take back a bigger contract with more years, Hedo needs to come off the bench as a point forward who can handle the offense 15 to 20 minutes a night.

Also I hope that Jameer is not with this team anymore, as long as he's with the magic he is going to feel entitled to the starting Point Guard role, which at this point in his career he is not a starting caliber point guard, unless he is next to a dominate wing, which is something the magic dont currenty have.

[BadMofoPimp]

I can't see the Magic ever taking on Okafors or Ariza's contracts. Magic are cutting costs for the summer of 2013 bonanza.

[Skin]

Yep. The stretch 4 is not "played out". If anything it's gaining more and more popularity. Many teams are LOOKING for that!

As long as we have Dwight here, we NEED to have a stretch 4 type player. When you talk about building a team with players that compliment each other and don't step over each other's toes, a stretch 4 PF is EXACTLY what this team needs.

What we lack is a wing who can be a go to scorer and play defense, and a PG who can pass and play defense (scoring is a bonus).

serious question. What teams have won a title with a stretch 4 type of offense?

It's not even about that. That proves no justification at all for saying that it's wrong to have one. Basketball is a team sport, and the team that can play well by complimenting each other best will have a chance. Dallas had 1 superstar and a bunch of compliments last year. OKC is another team that compliments each other well, EXCEPT when Westbrook and Durant fight over shots. That's what I mean about players stepping over each other's toes and not complimenting each other well. Same can be said about the Heat when Wade and Lebron clash styles. Boston, San Antonio.... they all mesh EXCELLENTLY together. They know their roles. They know how to play well and compliment each other. Lakers had all the talent in the world but Kobe lost trust in his teammates and ruined the team harmony in doing so. You definitely have to have the players to get the job done in the first place... but you a team of players that compliment each other. You can't just mesh duplicating talent and expect it to work unless over time they learn how to adjust to each other.

When the Magic got to the Finals in '08. Rashard Lewis wasn't the problem. He was a reason for being there.

[CPBalla2003 n da 863]

Yep. The stretch 4 is not "played out". If anything it's gaining more and more popularity. Many teams are LOOKING for that!

As long as we have Dwight here, we NEED to have a stretch 4 type player. When you talk about building a team with players that compliment each other and don't step over each other's toes, a stretch 4 PF is EXACTLY what this team needs.

What we lack is a wing who can be a go to scorer and play defense, and a PG who can pass and play defense (scoring is a bonus).

serious question. What teams have won a title with a stretch 4 type of offense?

Stretch 4 Offense...maybe none...but Stretch 4 player? Dallas Mavericks last year

03-04 Detroit Pistons with Rasheed comes to mind.

[Reverse_Angle]

This board severely overrates the likes of JJ Redick, its pretty much out of control. I like JJ he works hard and is a very smart player. But at the end of the day he is a role player. Ariza is the same age and gives the magic something that they dont have, which is a guy on the perimeter that can guard the other teams best perimeter scorer. Ariza is athletic has good size, can hit the open shot, run the floor, championship expierence.

The magic need to upgrade their perimeter, Hedo is basically untradeable unless you take back a bigger contract with more years, Hedo needs to come off the bench as a point forward who can handle the offense 15 to 20 minutes a night.

qft

[BassWhoopin]

I dont think the stretch 4 is the problem. Anderson compliments Howard perfectly. What kills the "system" is the magic's lack of perimeter play makers. When Hedo was in his prime the magic's offense was terrific but Hedo isnt that guy anymore and neither is Jameer, Carter was passed his prime when we got him, and Richardson has always played off the ball.

If the magic had some talent on the wings we would be one of the top teams in the East.

Keep Anderson
Trade Redick for Ariza
Make moves for young talented guys at the point guard and shooting guard position that can penetrate and score the ball.

[BassWhoopin]

This board severely overrates the likes of JJ Redick, its pretty much out of control. I like JJ he works hard and is a very smart player. But at the end of the day he is a role player. Ariza is the same age and gives the magic something that they dont have, which is a guy on the perimeter that can guard the other teams best perimeter scorer. Ariza is athletic has good size, can hit the open shot, run the floor, championship expierence.

The magic need to upgrade their perimeter, Hedo is basically untradeable unless you take back a bigger contract with more years, Hedo needs to come off the bench as a point forward who can handle the offense 15 to 20 minutes a night.

qft

Judging by your little pic of SVG and Turk. I guess your a little butt hurt with the way the team is going. The 2008-2009 season is over with it. Get over it man.

[G-Heel]

This board severely overrates the likes of JJ Redick, its pretty much out of control. I like JJ he works hard and is a very smart player. But at the end of the day he is a role player. Ariza is the same age and gives the magic something that they dont have, which is a guy on the perimeter that can guard the other teams best perimeter scorer. Ariza is athletic has good size, can hit the open shot, run the floor, championship expierence.

The magic need to upgrade their perimeter, Hedo is basically untradeable unless you take back a bigger contract with more years, Hedo needs to come off the bench as a point forward who can handle the offense 15 to 20 minutes a night.

qft

Judging by your little pic of SVG and Turk. I guess your a little butt hurt with the way the team is going. The 2008-2009 season is over with it. Get over it man.

LOL what? He was agreeing with you...

[BassWhoopin]

Damn my Bad, Im an idiot when it comes to internet lingo, I thought QFT meant quit F'n talkin, Im sorry. I guess im a little defensive and have been bashed on this board quite a few times lol

[arsenal6106]

This board severely overrates the likes of JJ Redick, its pretty much out of control. I like JJ he works hard and is a very smart player. But at the end of the day he is a role player. Ariza is the same age and gives the magic something that they dont have, which is a guy on the perimeter that can guard the other teams best perimeter scorer. Ariza is athletic has good size, can hit the open shot, run the floor, championship expierence.

The magic need to upgrade their perimeter, Hedo is basically untradeable unless you take back a bigger contract with more years, Hedo needs to come off the bench as a point forward who can handle the offense 15 to 20 minutes a night.

qft

Judging by your little pic of SVG and Turk. I guess your a little butt hurt with the way the team is going. The 2008-2009 season is over with it. Get over it man.

Never judge a poster based on their signature and/or poster name.
In all fairness, I didn't know what QFT stood for when I first started posting here. My least favorite one is "IIRC".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QFT

[Blue_and_Whte]

I dont think the stretch 4 is the problem. Anderson compliments Howard perfectly. What kills the "system" is the magic's lack of perimeter play makers. When Hedo was in his prime the magic's offense was terrific but Hedo isnt that guy anymore and neither is Jameer, Carter was passed his prime when we got him, and Richardson has always played off the ball.

If the magic had some talent on the wings we would be one of the top teams in the East.

Keep Anderson
Trade Redick for Ariza
Make moves for young talented guys at the point guard and shooting guard position that can penetrate and score the ball.

I didn't say Ryan is the problem. Matter of fact I agree with you and i'll add that if we get a strong wing player Ryan can move back to where he belongs and thats a 4th sometimes third option. He is the perfect player to put next to dwight, if you aren't putting the ball in his hand sand pretending he can make plays. If teams see him the way some fans do then maybe we can get something good in return by selling the another team on ryan as being a legendary spot up jumpshooter

[Skin]

I dont think the stretch 4 is the problem. Anderson compliments Howard perfectly. What kills the "system" is the magic's lack of perimeter play makers. When Hedo was in his prime the magic's offense was terrific but Hedo isnt that guy anymore and neither is Jameer, Carter was passed his prime when we got him, and Richardson has always played off the ball.

If the magic had some talent on the wings we would be one of the top teams in the East.

Keep Anderson
Trade Redick for Ariza
Make moves for young talented guys at the point guard and shooting guard position that can penetrate and score the ball.

You know it really is that simple.

Ariza is a guy that is as close as realistically possible to being able to capably defend the likes of the top SFs in the East. He has developed a sweet 3 point shot, and isn't so tunnel visioned as to use that as his only option to generate offense. When we're talking about putting players that will compliment Dwight... Ariza is one of those guys.

If you add in the 10th pick, then we're talking about adding a premium player.

I just don't understand how some Magic fans refuse to want to include Redick in a trade for Ariza and 10. Mind boggling. I'd offer Redick plus more!

At 10, we add a future starting PG (Lillard, Marshall). At 19, we add Quincy Miller to develop behind Ariza.

We resign Anderson.

We sign Andre Miller or Jason Kidd and Marcus Camby in FA.

PG Andre Miller / Damian Lillard
SG Jason Richardson / DeAndre Liggins
SF Trevor Ariza / Quincy Miller / Hedo Turkoglu
PF Ryan Anderson / Glen Davis / Earl Clark
C Dwight Howard / Marcus Camby

PG - We have a heady playmaking veteran in Miller/Kidd who knows how to run a team, with a young stud grooming behind him.
SG - We have an excellent off the ball SG who can rain 3s, with a young defender in Liggins to rotate in the mix.
SF - We have an all around scorer/defender in Ariza who is in the same prime of his career that Dwight is in, with Turkoglu who keeps a sense of consistency and Miller who has enormous upside.
PF - We have our stretch 4 PF who draws out defenders off Dwight in the post and Davis who understands how to be a role player and make things happen in shared minutes. In Clark we have a good defender and Harper to provide depth.
C - Dwight. Getting Camby in FA would pay huge dividends and definitely has the gas to go 8-10 min a night.

This is not a star studded line up. This is not a guarantee to keep Dwight. This is not gonna charm everyone. But it is a VERY realistic option IF we can pull off this trade with NOR. This IS a team that compliments each other and guys won't get in the way of each other's strengths, but rather play to them. This is a team with legit budding youth. It's a deep team, and we're not in cap hell.

The only thing is Redick would be the key. We can't afford to blind ourselves because we "like his character".

[Blue_and_Whte]

Yep. The stretch 4 is not "played out". If anything it's gaining more and more popularity. Many teams are LOOKING for that!

03-04 Detroit Pistons with Rasheed comes to mind.

rasheed and dirk arent stretch 4's like ryan. Sheed and dirk are pf's who can hit the three. But both can play back to the basket or the high post. They bring versatility to the offensive side of the ball and sheed could actually defend. Ryan won't ever in his life time come close to being as good as dirk or sheed.

Teams do look for pf that can stretch the floor and rebound.....as role players not as the focal point of the offense. They look for them to stand out in the perimeter and catch a pass from one of their superstars after Attracting a double or triple team, and thats all Ryan is a catch and shoot player.

[MasterGMer]

I really like Ariza and he could fit in very well at Orlando. Plus the 10th pick we can draft Marshall. Oh boy how sweet is that?

[Bensational]

i don't like the idea of any deal that compromises our cap space for next summer, unless it's bringing back a very good-great player. Ariza is just a role player, and his $7M owed in 2013-14 would be $7M we could alternatively be offering JSmoove or Monta.

besides, there are plenty of cheap vets we could get to fill that role. we had Matt Barnes do a perfectly good job for $2.5M in 2010, so i'd rather explore an option like that and preserve our space.

or, alternatively, work this deal into something bigger involving a team like Memphis/Philly who might be considering moving Gay/Iggy.

NOH: JJ + #19
PHI: Ariza + BBD + #10
ORL: Iggy

NOH: JJ + #19
MEM: Ariza + #10
ORL: Gay
4th Team: BBD (this could be a team like Portland/Philly/Milwaukee etc that have caproom to spare, absorbing Davis' deal)