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Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

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Derrick Williams: Stay or Go?

He didn't pan out and it's time to get value back while we can.
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Keep him! Only letting him go in the perfect deal.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#281 » by AQuintus » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:33 am

Krapinsky wrote:
Maybe we get Jordan Crawford somehow? He's got a 15 + PER this year. Not too bad.


Maybe we get Bradley Beal. That's the only way that this trade is salvaged for the Wolves.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#282 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 7:55 pm

Is Derrick finally starting to figure out how to play? Before you would always see him try to make the big plays instead of just moving the ball, or letting the game come to him. The last few games he's looked better, IMO. Also, the form on his jumper looked way better in that Milwaukee game then we saw last season.

I really hope he can turn the corner and develop into at least an Antawn Jamison in his prime type of player. Hopefully once Rubio comes back he will make things easier on Williams.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#283 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 8:05 pm

Just looking at his shooting numbers....it shows that he just can't finish at the rim yet. This is why I'd like to be patient with him. If he can learn to finish better(just like Love did) he would be a very dangerous player.

Derrick Williams - 9.5 points - 5.5 rebounds - 1 block - 38 / 33(2attempts) / 74(3 attempts) - 21 minutes per game

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at rim: 3.8 attempts / 47% VS his rookie year 3 attempts at 63%
16-23 feet: 2.6 attempts / 35% VS rookie year 1.3 attempts at 29%

He really needs to shoot more in the short to mid-range area...combined from 3-9 feet and 10-15 feet he only shoots .6 times a game.

FWIW Love's first 3 years at the rim he shot 55 / 56 and then 60.1 / 59.8, and he shoots around the same % from mid-range is Derrick.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#284 » by BrooklynBulls » Tue Dec 4, 2012 4:48 am

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C.lupus wrote:What part of "we don't have a starting quality shooting guard" gets addressed in this trade? We don't need a slight upgrade at center. When your car is missing four wheels you don't spend your money on a new paint job.


Maybe we get Jordan Crawford somehow? He's got a 15 + PER this year. Not too bad.


Jordan Crawford is the Crawford with the worst shot selection in the NBA. Think about that.

This guy is such a tremendous loser that I don't think his next contract will be in the NBA. He's on court poison.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#285 » by BrooklynBulls » Tue Dec 4, 2012 4:51 am

Derrick Williams for Wes Matthews?

Matthews is 2 way SG who can shoot and plays a great floor game.

Williams gives the rebuilding Blazers a bench 3/4 that can actually score, unlike the rest of their bench, and is a young prospect compared to the established but peaked player Matthews is.

Edit: you think there's still bad blood regarding Portland and the Wolves? Or is it bygones be bygones?
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Post#286 » by younggunsmn » Tue Dec 4, 2012 5:47 am

If we could have Wes Matthews for Derrick Williams Kahn would do it and run away giggling like a little girl.
Aint going to happen.

And yes there is still a ton of bad blood with Portland. They tried to F Batum financially by limiting his PT/shots the year before and we helped him call them on it. Damn he would look great here right now.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#287 » by southern wolf » Tue Dec 4, 2012 8:58 am

younggunsmn wrote:If we could have Wes Matthews for Derrick Williams Kahn would do it and run away giggling like a little girl.
Aint going to happen.

And yes there is still a ton of bad blood with Portland. They tried to F Batum financially by limiting his PT/shots the year before and we helped him call them on it. Damn he would look great here right now.


I agree Portland wouldn't trade Matthews for Williams, but I'm not too upset we missed out on Batum. Partly because of the cash we would have had to pay him and partly because of AK's great play.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#288 » by cpfsf » Tue Dec 4, 2012 6:12 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:Derrick Williams for Wes Matthews?

Matthews is 2 way SG who can shoot and plays a great floor game.

Williams gives the rebuilding Blazers a bench 3/4 that can actually score, unlike the rest of their bench, and is a young prospect compared to the established but peaked player Matthews is.

Edit: you think there's still bad blood regarding Portland and the Wolves? Or is it bygones be bygones?


if there is bad blood, it's because the wolves are still mad about webster affair while the blazers are are mad with the contract offered to batum.

this is speculation, but the blazers might be annoyed with the timberwolves after they offered contracts to brandon roy, tom penn, and bill bayno.

i'd rank it as being unlikely
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#289 » by Klomp » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:21 pm

“@APkrawczynski: I'll say this for Derrick Williams: he's handled this situation about 100 times more professionally than most high draft picks would.”

“@APkrawczynski: Derrick Williams: "I just have to do with what I have. If I get 10 minutes, I get 10 minutes and I just try and do what I can with that."”
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#290 » by Calinks » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:48 am

Happy someone has brought this up. A lot of number two's wouldn't act like this. Look at Royce White, I know he g=has other issues but he is vocal as hell.If this was happening to people in 2k12, they would be cussing 2K and their virtual coach out lol.
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Post#291 » by Swish4 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:01 am

One thing Williams needs to work on is a pump fake. I think he's a 4 and only a 4. He's quicker than most PF in the league and needs to work on taking advantage of that. A good pump fake and a good pullup midrange jumper would do wonders for solving his offensive woes IMO.
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Post#292 » by Beezer » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:04 am

WesJ4 wrote:One thing Williams needs to work on is a pump fake. I think he's a 4 and only a 4. He's quicker than most PF in the league and needs to work on taking advantage of that. A good pump fake and a good pullup midrange jumper would do wonders for solving his offensive woes IMO.


I agree. With his quickness, he could be deadly at the 4 with a good pump fake. Driving to the basket in general would help his offense.
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Post#293 » by Tirion » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:22 am

Klomp wrote:
“@APkrawczynski: I'll say this for Derrick Williams: he's handled this situation about 100 times more professionally than most high draft picks would.”

“@APkrawczynski: Derrick Williams: "I just have to do with what I have. If I get 10 minutes, I get 10 minutes and I just try and do what I can with that."”


Darko was quiet, so was Thabeet.

Guys like Royce White are exception, not the norm.

The unwritten rule of the NBA is that if you are a rookie or a 2/3d year player, you need to STFU. Only vets are allowed to complain publically.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#294 » by southern wolf » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:50 am

Klomp wrote:
“@APkrawczynski: I'll say this for Derrick Williams: he's handled this situation about 100 times more professionally than most high draft picks would.”

“@APkrawczynski: Derrick Williams: "I just have to do with what I have. If I get 10 minutes, I get 10 minutes and I just try and do what I can with that."”


We've drafted plenty of nice guys who haven't cut it. I would love nothing more than for him to transform into our SF of the future, but it ain't going to happen.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#295 » by the_bruce » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:17 pm

Everyone is so down on dwill. He's actually played fairly well recently. His defense is much improved this season. He can get to the line, is shooting the 3 well, and is rebounding.

He needs to work on his ft shooting, avoid the turnovers, finishing in traffic in the 3-9 foot range, and as mentioned earlier a pump fake would do his game a world of good.

I still think he can transition to the 3 because he has a 3's game offensively. I believe he can guard most 3's too. He's clearly a stretch 4 in MNs offensive scheme.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#296 » by Worm Guts » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:35 pm

southern wolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:
“@APkrawczynski: I'll say this for Derrick Williams: he's handled this situation about 100 times more professionally than most high draft picks would.”

“@APkrawczynski: Derrick Williams: "I just have to do with what I have. If I get 10 minutes, I get 10 minutes and I just try and do what I can with that."”


We've drafted plenty of nice guys who haven't cut it. I would love nothing more than for him to transform into our SF of the future, but it ain't going to happen.


He'd have trade value if he would even start playing well as a backup PF, but can't even seem to do that.

I think he could be a player that gets to the line alot if he could learn to finish on his drives. I don't think the refs give him the benefit of the doubt because they feel like he's taking a shot he can't make. If he got the same call Love gets, he'd live at the line.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#297 » by FinnTheHuman » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:50 pm

Worm Guts wrote:He'd have trade value if he would even start playing well as a backup PF, but can't even seem to do that.

I think he could be a player that gets to the line alot if he could learn to finish on his drives. I don't think the refs give him the benefit of the doubt because they feel like he's taking a shot he can't make. If he got the same call Love gets, he'd live at the line.


I think that it's because he goes for bad drives. He is so afraid he won't prove himself worthy that he actually wants to do something big with the ball almost every time he gets it. He is not letting offensive game come to him. With his limited minutes, he's always trying to do something impossible in order to prove himself and get bigger minutes, and that just doesn't work.

And it's not the 1st time it happens to a top pick. It's just that in most of those cases rookies didn't have players like Love and AK playing starters on their positions, and players like Dante and Howard on the bench, so they had more space for mistakes.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#298 » by Worm Guts » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:56 pm

I've seen a quite few times where he's taken reasonable drives and just flubbed the shot. There's also been times I thought a foul could have been called but there's no whistle. I suppose though when you continually drive and come up empty it becomes a bad decision to drive at all.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#299 » by FinnTheHuman » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I've seen a quite few times where he's taken reasonable drives and just flubbed the shot. There's also been times I thought a foul could have been called but there's no whistle. I suppose though when you continually drive and come up empty it becomes a bad decision to drive at all.


I agree with you there. There are a lot of factors that make a drive great: a good shooting and passing reputation, speed, explosiveness, strength, the ability to take a good shot from the drive, a good court vision, a good pump fake, a good NBA reputation for the refs. DWill still doesn't have many of those, but all those he doesn't have can be gained.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#300 » by Worm Guts » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:43 pm

He was great at getting to the line in college, so maybe there's some hope there. It's really the only thing I have hope for Williams to do at a high NBA level.

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