Race to the MVP pt. II

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#381 » by osamu » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:53 pm

I think fallacy is right^
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#382 » by The_Dream » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:36 pm

Where's that guy who was saying KD's stats were better than LBJ's now? Getting a little bit of the early season blues?
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#383 » by boogie-reke » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:22 am

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regGQ wrote:I'm taking Melo over Durant this season, sorry.


Why? Durant has a higher rebound rate, a much higher assist rate (more than twice) and then if you want to look at shooting, Durant even has a higher true shooting perentage? Durant plays better D too..

Not sure why you would pick Melo unless you want "most improved" to enter into the equation.


Melo plays D too tbh.

Durant also leads his team to a better winning % on btw, which is crucial.

But I think what gives Melo the edge right now and IF he and the Knicks can continue this throughout the season - is that he's doing it with the Knicks.

Some would disagree, but the fact that he's doing it with such a notoriously losing/dissapointing team, that no one gave them a chance before the season, an 8th seed last year who barely managed to enter the playoffs and were damn near swept in the first round - plays a huge role in why Melo is currently neck&neck with KD for MVP.

I will say that KD never winning the MVP yet plays a huge role aswell on his part - but if both of them continue this form, and more importantly both their teams continue to stay close to eachother in the standings winning the East and West - it'll be a coin flip between them, despite KD stats much more likely to be better.

MVP votes is not black and white, so while I do get what you're saying, it's just not the way it works and we've seen it many times before.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#384 » by Joao Saraiva » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:24 am

The way I see it right now Melo is ahead. But if the Heat get on a roll it is LeBron. His statline is just insane, specially with the efficiency he gets it.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#385 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:28 am

31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#386 » by WinisKing » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:30 am

fallacy wrote:31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:

I think you forgot the turnovers....
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#387 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:32 am

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fallacy wrote:31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:

I think you forgot the turnovers....


oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#388 » by lolcat » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:33 am

good shooting night. not absurd by any means
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#389 » by Yunsen » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:37 am

lolcat wrote:good shooting night. not absurd by any means


Was 9-11 before the bench blew a huge lead and he had to come back in.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#390 » by MisterWestside » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:01 am

fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#391 » by Joao Saraiva » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:04 am

MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#392 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:06 am

MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


That's true. Here are the three MVP candidates turnovers per game: 3.2, 2.7, 2.7
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#393 » by MisterWestside » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:08 am

Joao Saraiva wrote:let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.


Well they're not. I think Durant still played well, but not as otherworldly as his shooting numbers might suggest. He's played otherworldly games before, in which he shot the ball well and didn't turn it over.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#394 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:09 am

1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#395 » by Tron Carter » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:01 am

theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#396 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:14 am

HakeemKnicks wrote:
theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.


I made the switch before the game. Just think if there was a vote right now theres more hype surrounding Melo and the Knicks than Durant and the Thunder.

Obviously its still early, most people won't even notice the NBA is going on until after football is finished.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#397 » by Tron Carter » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:21 am

theokie wrote:
HakeemKnicks wrote:
theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.


I made the switch before the game. Just think if there was a vote right now theres more hype surrounding Melo and the Knicks than Durant and the Thunder.

Obviously its still early, most people won't even notice the NBA is going on until after football is finished.


Fair, although honestly the hype will die down because it's so early.

Looking forward to a Melo-KD regular season showdowns though similarly to how I looked forward to the Lebron-KD regular season showdowns last season!

It's gonna be great because it will be later in the season (first meeting March 7th) and the Knicks (lord willing) will be healthy with Shumpert and Amare back.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#398 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:28 am

^^^

Ya only two games between NY and OKC are in March and April, both nationally televised on TNT and ABC. Those games could sway a lot of votes
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#399 » by EscapoTHB » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:04 am

omerome wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:Melo will only get it if the knicks win the east. And are better than the thunder. Lot of season to go. Only reason melo is in the discussion is because the knicks are winning.

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Obviously...

Durant, LeBron, Melo, or Duncan wouldn't be in the MVP discussion if they weren't winning.

Right. So I don't know why everyone is talking stats. Team wins will decide it. Melo has good enough stats that even though durant and bron have better stats team record will decide it.

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#400 » by Hero » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:11 am

Refs seem to be giving Durant as many free throws as they can. 14 is high.

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