The Rockets should just trade Lin

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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#141 » by 13th Man » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:05 pm

LarsV8 wrote:Toney Douglas plays more because he gives the Rockets a better shot to win.


Then it would make total sense to start him no?
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#142 » by 13th Man » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:11 pm

I think what they're doing now is an insult to Lin, no other starting PG in the entire league is treated like this. It's like something else is going on in the background between the coaches and ownership that we don't know about and Lin is being used to be made an example of.

Imo, if they don't think he gives them a better chance of winning then let him come off the bench. No other starter plays less minutes than their backup and sit the entire 4 quarters, that's just silly. What they're doing now is bull and is messing up a young kid's confidence level as well. Both McHale and Sampson need to be more supportive of Lin, help groom him to become a better player, they are doing the opposite. Very bad coaching imo, even high school coaches don't pull this ****.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#143 » by EscapoTHB » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:19 pm

13th Man wrote:I think what they're doing now is an insult to Lin, no other PG in the entire league is treated like this. It's like something else is going on in the background between the coaches and ownership that we don't know about and Lin is being used to be made an example of.

Imo, if they don't think he gives them a better chance of winning then let him come off the bench. It makes sense for so many reasons. What they're doing now is bull and is messing up a young kid's confidence level as well. Both McHale and Sampson need to be more supportive of their players. Very bad coaching imo, even high school coaches don't pull this ****.


Dragic and lowry had the same things done to them. Mchale cant coach point guards. Maybe lin should have researched that and just resigned with the knicks?

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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#144 » by jeremylinMVP » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:25 pm

trade him to the raps!

would be nice ;)
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#145 » by Zubby » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:29 pm

KingCuban wrote:Nonsense.

A guy who drops 38 a few games ago against the Spurs and who had that run that he had last season is more than a capable starter in this league.

Like most players, if you don't allow them to play their natural game and put them in situations to excel within themselves, their value drops.

The kid can play. His big games haven't been flukes.

I honestly don't know what the Rockets do well on offense.

It seems to disorganised, static and unplanned at times.

Houston still manages to score more point then any other team on the road and only behind OKC & SPurs at Home...

Harden missed two games...
1st game Lin played bad in a blowout to Utah.
2nd game Lin played great in a loss to Spurs... btw which Asik role is so underrated in that game he beat Duncan for the 2nd time this year, really kept Rockets in the 1st half.

13th Man wrote:I think what they're doing now is an insult to Lin, no other starting PG in the entire league is treated like this. It's like something else is going on in the background between the coaches and ownership that we don't know about and Lin is being used to be made an example of.

Imo, if they don't think he gives them a better chance of winning then let him come off the bench. No other starter plays less minutes than their backup and sit the entire 4 quarters, that's just silly. What they're doing now is bull and is messing up a young kid's confidence level as well. Both McHale and Sampson need to be more supportive of Lin, help groom him to become a better player, they are doing the opposite. Very bad coaching imo, even high school coaches don't pull this ****.

Comon now...
Yes Lin is an NBA talent, but you don't rework the structure of a team for one player... Lin needs to and will adjust.
Daquen Cook had a decent game vs. OKC should Houston go out and run 10 plays for Cook and play him 30mpg
If they did sure Cook would avg 15-20ppg but thats not their goal.

Lin stats from last year after Dantoni got fired...

13ppg/5.4ast/4reb/1stl/.4blk/3.7to/.429fg%/.294% from 3

this year

11ppg/6.1ast/4.1reb/1.8stl/.5blk/2.7to/.397%/.310% from 3


its a process



EscapoTHB wrote:Dragic and lowry had the same things done to them. Mchale cant coach point guards. Maybe lin should have researched that and just resigned with the knicks?

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Again Dragic and Lowry had their best years under McHale... and didnt the Knicks sign Felton and iirc Kidd before they declined to match?
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#146 » by OptimusOne6 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:14 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:Dragic and lowry had the same things done to them. Mchale cant coach point guards. Maybe lin should have researched that and just resigned with the knicks?

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Lin thought and wanted the Knicks would match because at the time the Knicks said that they were willing to match anything.

I think when Lin signed that offer sheet with Houston, it was just so the Knicks could match. I don't think he actually envisioned or planned on playing for the Houston Rockets.

Lin's attempt backfired sadly.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#147 » by Knicker23 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:21 pm

First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#148 » by GeneralNbaFan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:22 pm

Do you think CP3 would be enough for Lin?
Or Westbrook for Lin?
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#149 » by OptimusOne6 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:24 pm

Knicker23 wrote:First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?

Harden and Melo are both ball-stoppers though, so they aren't just holding a player like Lin back, they are holding everyone else back.

I think Harden is doing worse to Lin than Melo is though. I actually don't think Melo did a bad job playing alongside with Lin at all, but it's obvious that Melo was butthurt and jealous that Lin was getting attention and Melo wasn't.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#150 » by GeneralNbaFan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:38 pm

Plain and simple : The majority of the players play better with the ball in their hands! And Harden is the better player(ballhandler)! So Lin has to adjust!
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#151 » by CU_NY09 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:07 pm

Knicker23 wrote:First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?


Not really. I thought Lin/Melo/STAT played well together after Woodson took over. To me the biggest issue in NY was Melo and D'antoni. D'antoni wouldn't or couldn't maximize his superstar player's strengths and Melo didn't trust D'antoni/his system. After watching all but 2 Knicks games, it's clear that coaching matters and it was a HUGE reason why the Knicks struggled so much last year.

Knicker - I read your stuff on our board, let's be honest. You know you've already started thinking and saying that Lin is the problem and he can't adjust his game. :wink:
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#152 » by gethigh » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:43 pm

OptimusOne6 wrote:
Knicker23 wrote:First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?

Harden and Melo are both ball-stoppers though, so they aren't just holding a player like Lin back, they are holding everyone else back.


:lol: so did you just wake up from a coma and haven't watched any games of THIS season? all the cliches you spit out are so last year.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#153 » by OptimusOne6 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:55 pm

gethigh wrote::lol: so did you just wake up from a coma and haven't watched any games of THIS season? all the cliches you spit out are so last year.

Yes, last year is when they played together but I don't think they were a bad matchup. I thought Melo actually made a good attempt to adjust his game for Lin when he came back but they just didn't play well under D'Antoni. They played much better under Woodson and they were 6-1 with Lin and Woodson.

It just goes to show you that the coaching has more to do with it than the players.

GeneralNbaFan wrote:Plain and simple : The majority of the players play better with the ball in their hands! And Harden is the better player(ballhandler)! So Lin has to adjust!

Harden is a better shooter, better shooters are better than non-shooters at playing without the ball. And no, Harden is not a better ball-handler considering how Harden is the league leader in turnovers.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#154 » by Mr. E » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:15 am

One thing that OptimusOne6 and I have in common is frustration with the current situation. We are just coming at it from different angles. Me from the Rockets side, him from the Lin fan side.

I want Lin to succeed, and I want him to do it in a Rockets uniform. I am (according to some) annoyingly optimistic about the 713 Backcourt gelling and becoming something special in this league. We've seen flashes of it, but nothing consistent. The fact of the matter is that right now Harden is the Rockets best hope to win...but they can't keep putting those workhorse minutes on him. He needs to figure out how to play better with another ball-handler like Lin.

Lin, for his part, needs to stop being so damned submissive while he's out there. My great hope for him is to develop into the facilitator that I think that he can be, but he needs to be much more assertive than he has shown. He does not need to come off of the bench - he needs to find that backcourt balance that seemed to flow so naturally in the first two games of this season.

The wrong thing for the Rockets is to approach the 713 backcourt as a Lin or Harden situation...it is a Lin AND Harden situation. They will have to figure it out as they almost definitely going to be teammates for at least the next three years. Any thought of trading one or the other is highly unlikely. Their best chance to succeed is to be patient and figure it out.

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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#155 » by CU_NY09 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:40 am

Mr. E wrote:One thing that OptimusOne6 and I have in common is frustration with the current situation. We are just coming at it from different angles. Me from the Rockets side, him from the Lin fan side.

I want Lin to succeed, and I want him to do it in a Rockets uniform. I am (according to some) annoyingly optimistic about the 713 Backcourt gelling and becoming something special in this league. We've seen flashes of it, but nothing consistent. The fact of the matter is that right now Harden is the Rockets best hope to win...but they can't keep putting those workhorse minutes on him. He needs to figure out how to play better with another ball-handler like Lin.

Lin, for his part, needs to stop being so damned submissive while he's out there. My great hope for him is to develop into the facilitator that I think that he can be, but he needs to be much more assertive than he has shown. He does not need to come off of the bench - he needs to find that backcourt balance that seemed to flow so naturally in the first two games of this season.

The wrong thing for the Rockets is to approach the 713 backcourt as a Lin or Harden situation...it is a Lin AND Harden situation. They will have to figure it out as they almost definitely going to be teammates for at least the next three years. Any thought of trading one or the other is highly unlikely. Their best chance to succeed is to be patient and figure it out.


I appreciate your input. As an outsider looking in, he seems to be doing a decent job of faciliating...when he's given the opportunity. From the games that I watched, he shares quite a bit of the facilitating with the other players, not just Harden. I agree that he needs to stop passing up open shots/lanes though.

Maybe your system is designed to operate without using a PG as much? I'm going off of TD's days in NY but to me, he's not a high bbiq player, has subpar court vision, and couldn't(didn't) direct an offense. When given the opportunity to take a shot, he could & would and he gave effort on D.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#156 » by Jase » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:59 am

Mr. E wrote:
Major Tom wrote:Lakers will be the best fit


There is no good trade between Houston and the Lakers.


Three way with Houston. Get Millsap and Lin in LA, Houston wanted Pau. It might take some stretching, but it would be an interesting concept.

Though Lin would be an expensive, expensive backup.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#157 » by Got em Coach » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:31 am

Jase wrote:
Mr. E wrote:
Major Tom wrote:Lakers will be the best fit


There is no good trade between Houston and the Lakers.


Three way with Houston. Get Millsap and Lin in LA, Houston wanted Pau. It might take some stretching, but it would be an interesting concept.

Though Lin would be an expensive, expensive backup.


houston adds parsons and a few picks as well.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#158 » by kombayn » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:36 am

I think a package involving Pau & Lin would be ideal.
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#159 » by chandlerbang23 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:40 am

LOL when because a starter gets benched in favor better matchups for the team, he should be traded. only on REALGM
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Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin 

Post#160 » by xclearscreen » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:40 am

the whole coaching staff needs to go. they are a cancer to the organization. period.

1) what coaching staff tries to groom a pg into a useless spot up shooter? it's usually the other way around. simply unheard of
2) what coaching staff doesn't know how to create plays more advance than just plays that get a player isolated?
3) what assistant coaching staff who is known for being a "defensive specialist" end up coaching a team to dead last in point allowed?
4) what coaching staff puts the ball into their sg's hands to create plays for everybody?
5) what coaching staff rewards their sissy pf with more minutes when he doesn't grab any rebound nor plays any defense.
6) what coaching staff keeps their big rebounding center out of final minutes of the Miami game at a critical moment when they needed to secure a rebound?
7) what coaching staff plays a 2nd unit pg over their starting pg in OT minutes vs Portland and end up getting embarrassed by Dillard.
8) what coaching staff tries to push Douglasanity to the world that does not even want to see that kind of crappy basketball, EVER?
9) what coaching staff gets pissed because his favorite pg from previous season was traded away after they worked so hard to blackball Lowry in favor of their said favorite pg?
10) what coaching staff favors Johnny Flynn over any pg at all and got embarrassed because they got exposed since Flynn is complete trash?
11) what coaching staff takes out both of their best ball handlers then runs the ball through Toney "give me freakin break" Douglas?
12) what coaching staff keeps trying to groom Cole Aldrich to be the next white "Dream Shake"?
13) what coaching staff allows Carlos "give me a freakin break" Delfino primary ball handling responsibilities?
14) what coaching staff wouldn't play Terrance Jones over Patrick "i'm a complete wuss" Patterson?
15) what coaching staff puts a rookie who is KNOWN to have mental issues in the doghouse until the end of time?
16) what coaching staff suggests the team waive Livingston for Toney "i wave my freakin hands to indicate i play defense" Douglas
17) what coaching staff is trying do everything against the wishes of their owner and gm? and trying to make them look like fools just to say "i told you so!" even when Douglasanity finally hits a 3 pt when shooting 1-5 and allowing opposition to torch him every night?

damn there's just too much wrong with this Rockets coaching staff. the list can go on and on..

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