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Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#881 » by closg00 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:07 pm

So Kris Humphries gets the DNP nd Blatche gets 20 minutes yesterday, has he stolen a rotation spot?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#882 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:15 pm

montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Then the Wiz should hire Nivek.

Maybe fishercob can represent Nivek and get him a little more cash than last time.


I'm all for those guys getting theirs and want some myself.

As it is I'm glad they are at least listening and taking good free advice. I love the Wizards and I don't mind giving it away for now. I know I am right and they're learning they can benefit from doing some things I have said. My haters can point to my missteps but it is mighty funny folks want DeMarcus Cousins on the team now. :)

I irritate myself with my arrogance, but if the Wizards were REALLY SMART they'd hire me.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#883 » by nate33 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:10 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Then the Wiz should hire Nivek.

Maybe fishercob can represent Nivek and get him a little more cash than last time.


I'm all for those guys getting theirs and want some myself.

As it is I'm glad they are at least listening and taking good free advice. I love the Wizards and I don't mind giving it away for now. I know I am right and they're learning they can benefit from doing some things I have said. My haters can point to my missteps but it is mighty funny folks want DeMarcus Cousins on the team now. :)

I irritate myself with my arrogance, but if the Wizards were REALLY SMART they'd hire me.

CCJ, don't break your hand patting yourself on the back. You weren't right about Cousins. If we redid the draft, nobody would take Cousins above Wall. People want Cousins on the team now because they smell blood in the water in Sacramento. Of course you try to get Cousins if you can get him for next to nothing.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#884 » by pancakes3 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:30 pm

Well tis the season so take Nate's advice in the spirit that it's intended. A number of posters on this board may be better than Ernie but that does not mean they'd be good in comparison to actual competent GM's. Everyone here has blemishes on their record and if they had their way, the team would have its fair share of Austin Rivers's, Al-Farouque Aminu's, Jodie Meeks's, James Anderson's, Justin Harpers's and BJ Mullens's.

It's just mean that we might have 6 or even 9 wins instead of 3.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#885 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:22 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I'm all for those guys getting theirs and want some myself.

As it is I'm glad they are at least listening and taking good free advice. I love the Wizards and I don't mind giving it away for now. I know I am right and they're learning they can benefit from doing some things I have said. My haters can point to my missteps but it is mighty funny folks want DeMarcus Cousins on the team now. :)

I irritate myself with my arrogance, but if the Wizards were REALLY SMART they'd hire me.

CCJ, don't break your hand patting yourself on the back. You weren't right about Cousins. If we redid the draft, nobody would take Cousins above Wall. People want Cousins on the team now because they smell blood in the water in Sacramento. Of course you try to get Cousins if you can get him for next to nothing.


Okay, nate. My hand is fine, thanks. 8-) Two years ago I said Wall was overrated and you still think he is all that and a bag of chips.

People want the "crazy dude" (takes one to know one) because he can play. Blood in the water makes predators seek nutritious prey, not just any carrion. People are excited over the possibility of Cousins with Wall because they play well together. You can't have a good tennis doubles team if one player is huge liability.

Check out Cousins' head-to-head over his career vs Dwight Howard and also vs Andrew Bynum:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =bynuman01

Which played the most minutes between Bynum and Cousins, nate? Which player had the most rebounds and points?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =howardw01

How has Cousins' eFG% compare vs his usual when he faces the best C in basketball? Who gets to the line in this matchup, one of both players? Who has scored the most?

Still not convinced? Check out Cousins vs Al Jefferson.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =jeffeal01

Look at the points vs FGAs and FTAs. Then look at the rebounds.

One more: Cousins vs Al Horford … no, I'm tired of doing this when you're still going to disagree. :(

nate, Wall has a higher ceiling and he's show glimpses of superstar potential but Boogie Cousins seven days a week and twice on Sunday has played flat BETTER than John Wall. He led the entire freaking NBA in offensive rebounds as a 2nd-year player. He plays his best against the best. He is a menacing guy who at times plays very well. Wall has not been consistently great, either.

Comparing the two players, Cousins has a higher PER, WS, WS/48, DRtg than John Wall, nate. You say nobody would take Cousins over Wall but I think right now with Wall's knee potentially made of glass you are dead wrong on that account.

What I can say is I stand by what I said the day they were drafted. Cousins is a better basketball player than John Wall. That is my SUBJECTIVE opinion. I explained why above. As for you telling me I'm wrong I will say I told you, specifically that Gilbert was an injury risk that should not be resigned. I told you, specifically, that Nene had a history of injury preceding the Wizards acquiring him. Wall's knee hurt him when Flip was coach. He could turn out fine but I think he might not. Likewise, Cousins could snap. He's not easy to deal with.

I posted many alternatives I think the Wizards should pursue in lieu of trading for Cousins.

I think the best move is no move right now.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#886 » by nate33 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:34 pm

CCJ, you were right that Wall is overrated. He is not as good as expected. But it's disingenuous to use the current Cousins' situation as proof that you were correct in your belief that Cousins is better than Wall and would have been the better draft pick. Yes, people now want Cousins, but not because they agree with your assessment two years ago on draft night. Most still believe Wall to be the better prospect. People want Cousins because he is available for cheap.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#887 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:06 pm

Honestly, nate, I think the current situation reduces Cousins' worth. I think he's better because of the way he plays Howard, Bynum, etc. DeMarcus is arguably the 6th best C after those guys, Chandler, Horford, and Marc Gasol.

I believe he's better than John but it isn't like I think he is considerably better than Wall. Also, Wall can become a far better talent when he adds a jump shot. nate, I'm not even looking at the current situations. I always have thought DeMarcus has old school game with meanness. I am biased toward his style over Wall's speedy approach. Both guys have talent.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#888 » by hands11 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:34 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Then the Wiz should hire Nivek.

Maybe fishercob can represent Nivek and get him a little more cash than last time.


I'm all for those guys getting theirs and want some myself.

As it is I'm glad they are at least listening and taking good free advice. I love the Wizards and I don't mind giving it away for now. I know I am right and they're learning they can benefit from doing some things I have said. My haters can point to my missteps but it is mighty funny folks want DeMarcus Cousins on the team now. :)

I irritate myself with my arrogance, but if the Wizards were REALLY SMART they'd hire me.


I always took the position of looking to add him several years down the road after he blundered and learned on someone else dime. I just didn't want the Wizards to draft him. If he become something, I always figured the Wiz would have the inside trade on getting him because of Wall. Specially once he becomes a UFA. They they get him for no draft pick.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#889 » by closg00 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:58 pm

Neil Olshey said the Portland Trail Blazers will likely be built through the draft and free agency, not trades.

Olshey identified the Blazers' core as LaMarcus Aldridge, Nicolas Batum, Damian Lillard and Wesley Matthews.

“The players on our roster who are no-brainers,’’ Olshey said, referring to that core, “are not going anywhere.’’

Aldridge had been the subject of trade rumors earlier this season.

Olshey said the Blazers will not make a move unless it makes them a better team.

“Until you get enough phone calls for the message to get around the league that we are not breaking this up to rebuild, that we are building from where we are, (rumors) will probably still be out there,’’ Olshey said. “But clearly, trading a 27-year old All-Star like LaMarcus doesn’t get you better today.’’


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#890 » by Halcyon » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:15 pm

Avery Johnson fired! Saw that one coming.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#891 » by FAH1223 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:28 pm

Halcyon wrote:Avery Johnson fired! Saw that one coming.


As soon as Deron Williams started talking about their crappy ISO offense and favoring Jerry Sloan's system, the writing was on the wall.

Avery was also the Coach of the Month last month too :lol: :cry:

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#892 » by FAH1223 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:07 pm

Avery Johnson's son speaks

Avery Johnson Jr. ‏@itsaveryjohnson

This is a fuxking Outrage. My dad is a great coach, he just got coach of the month and they Fire him. #Smh. Completely new team he had.


Avery Johnson Jr. ‏@itsaveryjohnson

The expectations were way to high for this team. We didn't even have a losing record.... Didn't even give my dad a full season. #OUTRAGE


Avery Johnson Jr. ‏@itsaveryjohnson

I'm sorry are best players couldn't make open shots. Yeah that's my dads fault totally...


And Andray Blatche tweets:

andray blatche ‏@drayblatche

Thanx coach Avery for everything


Blatche also retweeted Jalen Rose:

JALEN ROSE ‏@JalenRose

I knew when the Nets began to struggle(lost 10 of last 13) & D-Will spoke out against the offense that Avery would be fired. #WEAK #NBA
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Post#893 » by LyricalRico » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:23 pm

I tell you what, when I watched them on Tuesday all I kept saying was "they have no offense". I didn't think Avery would be fired this soon, but I figured they'd make a change at some point.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#894 » by mohammed10 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:33 pm

LyricalRico wrote:I tell you what, when I watched them on Tuesday all I kept saying was "they have no offense". I didn't think Avery would be fired this soon, but I figured they'd make a change at some point.


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#895 » by LyricalRico » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:41 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:I tell you what, when I watched them on Tuesday all I kept saying was "they have no offense". I didn't think Avery would be fired this soon, but I figured they'd make a change at some point.


Rico-

At least the Nets have an owner/GM willing to pull the trigger...


With the league's 2nd highest payroll, I'm sure Prokhorov is willing to pull whatever triggers he needs to. LOL
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#896 » by queridiculo » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:43 pm

Deron Williams == coach killer.

Kind of interesting though, Blatche puts up numbers, team starts losing...
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#897 » by mohammed10 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:45 pm

queridiculo wrote:Deron Williams == coach killer.

Kind of interesting though, Blatche puts up numbers, team starts losing...


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#898 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:16 am

Deron got Jerry Sloan to step down.

Avery is not a great coach at all. Next to Flip at the bottom of my list, Avery is another coach I have little faith in. That said, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and the return of Brook Lopez have not helped the Nets.

If you notice, they were better with Blatche than with Lopez.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#899 » by payitforward » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:48 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Deron got Jerry Sloan to step down.

Avery is not a great coach at all. Next to Flip at the bottom of my list, Avery is another coach I have little faith in.

Disagree about Avery but overall coaches really don't make that much difference -- he didn't make them 11-3 to start and he didn't make them turn bad either.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:...Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and the return of Brook Lopez have not helped the Nets.

Three extremely overrated players. No reason they would make the Nets much better. Billy King is one of the worst GMs in the league

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:If you notice, they were better with Blatche than with Lopez.

Got to hand it to Dray. He's having a heck of a season -- a shoe-in for comeback player of the year (at least so far).
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#900 » by MikeTheKid » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:08 pm

Teams are starting to speak up in the DMC Sweepstakes:

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