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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#41 » by fdr2012 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:45 am

The guy is shooting 42% from 3 and playing much better D. FOH with this thread.
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#42 » by siar617 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:04 pm

You all just expect too much from him. He is a Situational player only.
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Post#43 » by Knicksfan20 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:07 pm

knicknack wrote:I love Novak to death, and we all know he may be the worst defensive player in the league! Yeah I know he tries but I can' help but notice his style of defense is.......fr lack of a better word DEFENSELESS!!! The fact remains that he is a liability that we cannot afford when he is not hitting his shots and lately he is not, I'm not going to go into statistics but he stops no one and he doesn't rebound, its like the Knis are playing 4 againt 5 when he is on the floor, both on defense and on offense during these times. I've been watching him closely when h is on the foor and I can actualy see any player which he guards just drives right past him to the basket or to the paint and passes for a layup or short jumper. He does't switch well on defense due to his severe lack of agiltilty, awareness,etc.

I can just imagine the opposing team's gameplan (when he is on the floor) is to attack him every chance they get. Overall, having him in for long stretches at a time often gives the opposition a chance to get back in the game or certainly close the gap. I've replayed many plays with him as he seems to frequently look like he is stumbling over his own two feet trying to guard somebdy. This feels like something which may be concerning giving our lack of size, I did notice, Woodson not playing him down the stretch tonight on defense. Just something I wondered if anyone else has been noticing.

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Pretty much sums up the way i feel about him. 100% agree.
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#44 » by gavran » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:13 pm

siar617 wrote:You all just expect too much from him. He is a Situational player only.

How is this guy posting while being suspended?
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#45 » by siar617 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:18 pm

gavran wrote:
siar617 wrote:You all just expect too much from him. He is a Situational player only.

How is this guy posting while being suspended?

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Post#46 » by gavran » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:21 pm

I'm a pageant, I don't celebrate Christmas, well at least not without blood sacrifice.
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Post#47 » by siar617 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:29 pm

gavran wrote:I'm a pageant, I don't celebrate Christmas, well at least not without blood sacrifice.

Ment to say no Christmas for you but it's not funny now :(
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#48 » by Jordan Diddy » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:39 pm

siar617 wrote:
gavran wrote:
siar617 wrote:You all just expect too much from him. He is a Situational player only.

How is this guy posting while being suspended?

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Post#49 » by Nostrand Ave » Wed Jan 2, 2013 3:09 am

Novak is so useless on the court. And this Brewer to Novak to Brewer to Novak substitution is idiotic.
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Post#50 » by Since89 » Wed Jan 2, 2013 3:14 am

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Post#51 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Jan 2, 2013 4:32 am

When Novak is in the game, our overall defense becomes really bad. Yes I get it that he tries, but he's just too slow. I'd rather see more Camby/White/Brewer then Novak, preferably Camby. I also think missing sheed is really hurting us. He s a tremendous leader on thr court. And we need his defense and toughness.

he was kinda useless in that zone also. They basically played a 2 2 zone against us and stuck Novak, rendering him useless. I just don't think he's a good fit for a Woodson ran team. We need to get back to playing defense and forcing turnovers. He should be a situational player and get top 12 mpg (unless he's hot, then you ride the wave)

Novak only had 1 rebound that entire game, and it was a gimmie. He trys on defense, but his lack of athleticism really hurts. He cant recover and hes slow at closing out and gets beat easy. He doesnt rebound the ball, but if he isnt making at least 3 threes in a game, he is useless. Its basically 4-4 on offense and 4-5 on defense.

YOU DONT TRADE NOVAK. He is still a very valuable weapon in certain situations. Unless you can trade him with another player and upgrade us somewhere, then you keep him. He has a good relationship with the team too.
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Post#52 » by Nostrand Ave » Wed Jan 2, 2013 4:34 am

Knicksfan20 wrote:When Novak is in the game, our overall defense becomes really bad. Yes I get it that he tries, but he's just too slow. I'd rather see more Camby/White/Brewer then Novak, preferably Camby. I also think missing sheed is really hurting us. He s a tremendous leader on thr court. And we need his defense and toughness.

he was kinda useless in that zone also. They basically played a 2 2 zone against us and stuck Novak, rendering him useless. I just don't think he's a good fit for a Woodson ran team. We need to get back to playing defense and forcing turnovers. He should be a situational player and get top 12 mpg (unless he's hot, then you ride the wave)

Novak only had 1 rebound that entire game, and it was a gimmie. He trys on defense, but his lack of athleticism really hurts. He cant recover and hes slow at closing out and gets beat easy. He doesnt rebound the ball, but if he isnt making at least 3 threes in a game, he is useless. Its basically 4-4 on offense and 4-5 on defense.

YOU DONT TRADE NOVAK. He is still a very valuable weapon in certain situations. Unless you can trade him with another player and upgrade us somewhere, then you keep him. He has a good relationship with the team too.



I dont see how Novak has any upside. Having a good relationship with the team is not enough of a reason to keep him. He was a liability on defense. But now he's also a liability on offense.
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Post#53 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Jan 2, 2013 12:57 pm

Nostrand Ave wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:When Novak is in the game, our overall defense becomes really bad. Yes I get it that he tries, but he's just too slow. I'd rather see more Camby/White/Brewer then Novak, preferably Camby. I also think missing sheed is really hurting us. He s a tremendous leader on thr court. And we need his defense and toughness.

he was kinda useless in that zone also. They basically played a 2 2 zone against us and stuck Novak, rendering him useless. I just don't think he's a good fit for a Woodson ran team. We need to get back to playing defense and forcing turnovers. He should be a situational player and get top 12 mpg (unless he's hot, then you ride the wave)

Novak only had 1 rebound that entire game, and it was a gimmie. He trys on defense, but his lack of athleticism really hurts. He cant recover and hes slow at closing out and gets beat easy. He doesnt rebound the ball, but if he isnt making at least 3 threes in a game, he is useless. Its basically 4-4 on offense and 4-5 on defense.

YOU DONT TRADE NOVAK. He is still a very valuable weapon in certain situations. Unless you can trade him with another player and upgrade us somewhere, then you keep him. He has a good relationship with the team too.



I dont see how Novak has any upside. Having a good relationship with the team is not enough of a reason to keep him. He was a liability on defense. But now he's also a liability on offense.

because he's the best shooter in the league, and if we need to draw up a play for a game winner.. I want him in to this Melo more room.
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#54 » by BigShot Bojan » Wed Jan 2, 2013 1:14 pm

What infuriates me most is the number of and 1s that he gives up...
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#55 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Jan 2, 2013 1:35 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
Nostrand Ave wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:When Novak is in the game, our overall defense becomes really bad. Yes I get it that he tries, but he's just too slow. I'd rather see more Camby/White/Brewer then Novak, preferably Camby. I also think missing sheed is really hurting us. He s a tremendous leader on thr court. And we need his defense and toughness.

he was kinda useless in that zone also. They basically played a 2 2 zone against us and stuck Novak, rendering him useless. I just don't think he's a good fit for a Woodson ran team. We need to get back to playing defense and forcing turnovers. He should be a situational player and get top 12 mpg (unless he's hot, then you ride the wave)

Novak only had 1 rebound that entire game, and it was a gimmie. He trys on defense, but his lack of athleticism really hurts. He cant recover and hes slow at closing out and gets beat easy. He doesnt rebound the ball, but if he isnt making at least 3 threes in a game, he is useless. Its basically 4-4 on offense and 4-5 on defense.

YOU DONT TRADE NOVAK. He is still a very valuable weapon in certain situations. Unless you can trade him with another player and upgrade us somewhere, then you keep him. He has a good relationship with the team too.



I dont see how Novak has any upside. Having a good relationship with the team is not enough of a reason to keep him. He was a liability on defense. But now he's also a liability on offense.

because he's the best shooter in the league, and if we need to draw up a play for a game winner.. I want him in to this Melo more room.

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Novak is nowhere close to best shooter in the league.

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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#56 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Jan 2, 2013 5:46 pm

He was last year wasn't he? Maybe he isn't the best right now, but when he steps on the court the other team sure as hell treats him as if he is. He's a very good shooter, every team nerds their specialists. Obviously I'm not protecting him because I've been saying the same thing since last season. He's too much of a liability to be playing major rotation minutes.
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#57 » by the91ser » Wed Jan 2, 2013 7:08 pm

he spaces the floor. even when hes 0 for 3 for the whole game, he creates valuable space for others to score just by being out there.
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Re: Novakain...... 

Post#58 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Jan 2, 2013 9:12 pm

the91ser wrote:he spaces the floor. even when hes 0 for 3 for the whole game, he creates valuable space for others to score just by being out there.


That extra space he creates only matters if Melo is in the game. Problem is... Novak plays without Melo more then he plays with him. Dont need Novak to space the floor for Prig/JR and copeland... Its just a waste of an offensive player and makes us a poor defensive team. Rather see White play honestly. He can drive and finish, and he is a much better athlete and defensive player.
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Post#59 » by Lin Your Face » Thu Jan 3, 2013 7:27 pm

I thought this was a really interesting article on Novak's defense.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53195/the-defense-of-a-shooter
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Post#60 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Jan 3, 2013 8:19 pm

:lol: @ Novak being a liability on offense. You don't have players like this, you don't win any games. He enables other Knicks players to score simply by stepping on the court. The man is a weapon.

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