John Wall Has Gotten FAT

Moderators: Domejandro, infinite11285, Harry Garris, ken6199, Dirk, bisme37, KingDavid, bwgood77, zimpy27, cupcakesnake

User avatar
Bskey
Veteran
Posts: 2,550
And1: 144
Joined: Jun 16, 2008

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#21 » by Bskey » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:22 am

John Wall's gravitational pull should leave Beal open a lot.

But for real I don't think this is a problem...yet. He will most likely get back to lean and defined though it's a bit disappointing to see him let himself go. I doubt it's as bad as those crap quality pictures make it look, especially that first one.
User avatar
BarnabyJones
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,934
And1: 292
Joined: Jan 05, 2012
     

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#22 » by BarnabyJones » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:26 am

Raymond Felton is unimpressed.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”― Mark Twain
User avatar
HotRocks34
RealGM
Posts: 14,739
And1: 17,577
Joined: Jun 23, 2007

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#23 » by HotRocks34 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:28 am

Come on, this isn't like Lamar Odom weight gain or Felton in Portland. That extra weight will be gone quick.
** Embiid is the only MVP in NBA history to never make a conference final
** Philly won multiple playoff games without MVP Embiid, including a 2nd-round game on the road
** LeBron missed the playoffs with Davis
** Steph missed the playoffs without Klay
BubbaTee
Head Coach
Posts: 6,394
And1: 546
Joined: Mar 10, 2008

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#24 » by BubbaTee » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:48 am

LEHGOCELTICS wrote:That looks like a much greater fat gain than 6-7 lbs to me.


Muscle is heavier than fat (edit: by volume), so he could have had muscle turn to fat without gaining weight, then gain 7-lbs of fat on top of that.
call.me.dude
Rookie
Posts: 1,128
And1: 12
Joined: Dec 30, 2007
Location: hometown of Dirk Nowitzki

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#25 » by call.me.dude » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:48 am

Losing the fat should be easy. Problem is that he also lost muscle if he really didn't do a whole lot.

edit: I honestly thought he wanted to turn his career around. Not saying he can't or won't but if he was really into it, he would still be in great shape (like Rose).
YiJiLi wrote:Raymond Felton is better than TP...
User avatar
pross
Veteran
Posts: 2,753
And1: 174
Joined: Apr 30, 2009

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#26 » by pross » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:50 am

He'll lose that very quickly. With the amount of work these guys do, once he's back at full health I could see him being in shape within a month
Image
DCsOwn
Junior
Posts: 480
And1: 126
Joined: Jul 07, 2010

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#27 » by DCsOwn » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:51 am

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
MeloisMVP wrote:Image

Here's another player below that's been out rehabbing a leg injury like Wall:

Image

It's obvious that one guy has been working, while the other hasn't.


To be fair to John, people can run and do any number of cardio workouts around 4 months afteran acl surgery if I'm not mistaken (it takes longer to be cleared for high impact work like cutting and plyometrics though). So that means Rose has likely been cleared for jogging and track work for months. Wall was just cleared for light impact work a few weeks ago. That's not to say that John should necessarily be in the condition that he's in now (although he'll be fine from a cardio perspective in a few weeks I'd bet), but Rose has definitely been able to do significantly more floor work than John over these last few months.

It should be noted that John's diet has been terrible from day one with the Wizards. He's like Chad Ochocinco in that he eats tons of crap every day, it's just that he's incredibly active throughout the week so the junk food doesnt stick to him like it does to us. It doesn't surprise me that without the freedom to do the type of work that he's known for in DC that he'd pick up weight assuming he didnt make any alterations to his diet.
User avatar
rockmanslim
General Manager
Posts: 9,246
And1: 5,011
Joined: Jul 15, 2008
   

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#28 » by rockmanslim » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:51 am

more stress on his knee
click

"Harden's a guy that averages 26 in the NBA, but if he was on the playground with you he'd only average about 5 because they wouldn't let him get those free throws." --Scott Hastings, April 6, 2013


Image
Green Backpack
Head Coach
Posts: 6,274
And1: 3,279
Joined: Nov 04, 2005
     

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#29 » by Green Backpack » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:54 am

He's a professional athlete with unlimited resources.. give him a couple of weeks.
User avatar
hayden
Veteran
Posts: 2,651
And1: 548
Joined: Sep 28, 2006

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#30 » by hayden » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:02 am

Image

Not to say he won't get fit in a timely manner, but letting yourself go and gaining that much fat is definitely Wall's fault, not his injury's. It's worrisome, because you generally don't see that kind of fat gain from such a young player, injury or not. Usually it's older players with wider frames, who didn't exercise in the offseason (Zbo, Shaq, Melo, Odom).
LarsV8 wrote:[Jeremy Lin] just isn't very good.
BIGGIEsmalls 23
Banned User
Posts: 13,283
And1: 810
Joined: Jul 28, 2010
Location: REALITY
   

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#31 » by BIGGIEsmalls 23 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:07 am

DCsOwn wrote:
BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
MeloisMVP wrote:Image

Here's another player below that's been out rehabbing a leg injury like Wall:

Image

It's obvious that one guy has been working, while the other hasn't.


To be fair to John, people can run and do any number of cardio workouts around 4 months afteran acl surgery if I'm not mistaken (it takes longer to be cleared for high impact work like cutting and plyometrics though). So that means Rose has likely been cleared for jogging and track work for months. Wall was just cleared for light impact work a few weeks ago. That's not to say that John should necessarily be in the condition that he's in now (although he'll be fine from a cardio perspective in a few weeks I'd bet), but Rose has definitely been able to do significantly more floor work than John over these last few months.

It should be noted that John's diet has been terrible from day one with the Wizards. He's like Chad Ochocinco in that he eats tons of crap every day, it's just that he's incredibly active throughout the week so the junk food doesnt stick to him like it does to us. It doesn't surprise me that without the freedom to do the type of work that he's known for in DC that he'd pick up weight assuming he didnt make any alterations to his diet.

Rose has been working the entire time, though. I'm not trying to bash Wall, but I really hoped that he was serious about taking his game to another level. Here's Rose below doing the upper-body work that Wall should have also been doing:

Image
nuposse04
RealGM
Posts: 11,293
And1: 2,439
Joined: Jul 20, 2004
Location: on a rock
   

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#32 » by nuposse04 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:12 am

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
DCsOwn wrote:
BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:Here's another player below that's been out rehabbing a leg injury like Wall:

Image

It's obvious that one guy has been working, while the other hasn't.


To be fair to John, people can run and do any number of cardio workouts around 4 months afteran acl surgery if I'm not mistaken (it takes longer to be cleared for high impact work like cutting and plyometrics though). So that means Rose has likely been cleared for jogging and track work for months. Wall was just cleared for light impact work a few weeks ago. That's not to say that John should necessarily be in the condition that he's in now (although he'll be fine from a cardio perspective in a few weeks I'd bet), but Rose has definitely been able to do significantly more floor work than John over these last few months.

It should be noted that John's diet has been terrible from day one with the Wizards. He's like Chad Ochocinco in that he eats tons of crap every day, it's just that he's incredibly active throughout the week so the junk food doesnt stick to him like it does to us. It doesn't surprise me that without the freedom to do the type of work that he's known for in DC that he'd pick up weight assuming he didnt make any alterations to his diet.

Rose has been working the entire time, though. I'm not trying to bash Wall, but I really hoped that he was serious about taking his game to another level. Here's Rose below doing the upper-body work that Wall should have also been doing:

Image


I think the excess muscle weight might have played a factor in Wall's knee injury. He's fairly built for a 6'4 pg, once he gets back in shape I'd like to see him lose 4-5 lbs of additional weight from last years playing weight.
BubbaTee
Head Coach
Posts: 6,394
And1: 546
Joined: Mar 10, 2008

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#33 » by BubbaTee » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:15 am

call.me.dude wrote:Losing the fat should be easy. Problem is that he also lost muscle if he really didn't do a whole lot.

edit: I honestly thought he wanted to turn his career around. Not saying he can't or won't but if he was really into it, he would still be in great shape (like Rose).


Yeah, I read an ESPN Magazine interview with him in the preseason where he sounded motivated.

I guess maybe you could make the argument that he got depressed when he found out he'd miss the start of the season, and went all

Image
FlashKing
Banned User
Posts: 2,857
And1: 26
Joined: Feb 23, 2012

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#34 » by FlashKing » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:17 am

Time to bring in the big guns!

Image
crowd goes wild
Junior
Posts: 309
And1: 11
Joined: Jun 11, 2008

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#35 » by crowd goes wild » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:29 am

BubbaTee wrote:
LEHGOCELTICS wrote:That looks like a much greater fat gain than 6-7 lbs to me.


Muscle is heavier than fat (edit: by volume), so he could have had muscle turn to fat without gaining weight, then gain 7-lbs of fat on top of that.

STRONG everything
User avatar
AmazingJason
RealGM
Posts: 15,179
And1: 6,142
Joined: Aug 07, 2006
Location: NYC
   

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#36 » by AmazingJason » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:32 am

Is the 1st pic Wall or Felton? :lol:
BAT 18.0 - MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES

El Poochio - POBO
Amazing Jason - Assistant to the VPOBO

PG: Lonzo Ball/Dennis Smith Jr.
SG: Donovan Mitchell/R. McGruder
SF: Jaylen Brown/Josh Jackson
PF: Jayson Tatum/T. Booker
C: Joel Embiid/McGee
User avatar
youngthegiant
Head Coach
Posts: 6,680
And1: 5,602
Joined: Aug 31, 2011
     

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#37 » by youngthegiant » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:40 am

even with those other pictures shown, he definitely doesn't have six-pack anymore. Which is ridiculous.
Apathy
Banned User
Posts: 2,583
And1: 39
Joined: Aug 25, 2011

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#38 » by Apathy » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:00 am

LEHGOCELTICS wrote:That looks like a much greater fat gain than 6-7 lbs to me.


Not necessarily.

When you have an ectomorph body type, and normally have a lower body fat %, you look a lot more bloated and out of shape when you gain a few pounds more than you should have. Particularly if it's all bad weight gain, like eating junk food.

But the flipside is that with 4-6 weeks of focus on strength, conditioning and flexibility, as well as diet, you will lose it almost as quickly as you gained it.

That's why you see a lot of basketball players show up out of shape. They oscillate between being extremely health-conscious and, when they have downtime, pigging out. But their body is used to exercising, and responds very quickly to rigorous workouts.

The bigger problem with something like that is it hints that Wall is a bit of a mental midget, which, of course, is the knock.
User avatar
M4P
Analyst
Posts: 3,408
And1: 1,640
Joined: Aug 29, 2008
 

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#39 » by M4P » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:05 am

BubbaTee wrote:
LEHGOCELTICS wrote:That looks like a much greater fat gain than 6-7 lbs to me.


Muscle is heavier than fat (edit: by volume), so he could have had muscle turn to fat without gaining weight, then gain 7-lbs of fat on top of that.
Muscle and fat are two different things... one doesn't become the other.
HoopsMalone wrote:Shaq would still have value... But to think he'd be anywhere near as dominant as he was in the post era is just ridiculous

jahlil okafor has some of the best post moves in the last 30 years and the dude can't even get on the floor
User avatar
darth_federer
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 29,060
And1: 922
Joined: Apr 12, 2009
Contact:

Re: John Wall Has Gotten FAT 

Post#40 » by darth_federer » Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:08 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M957dACQyfU[/youtube]
Image

Profanity wrote:This is why I question a Canadian team in our league. it's a govt conspiracy trina to sell all our milk to Russia. They let the raptors participate to not let canadians demand crossing taxes. it will backfire one day.

Return to The General Board