Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[nate33]

Warriors could send us Biedrins and Jarret Jack and a first. We'd cut Jack who returns to GSW after the waiting period. Biedrins contract is the same length but he only gets paid $9m a year flat. Not ideal, but we do get that first.

Why would we cut Jack? He'd instantly become the best PG on the team behind Wall. That said, je's a pretty important player on their team. I don't see them giving him as well as the pick, but I like the premise of the trade. Maybe plug in Brandon Rush in place of Jack (Rush is out for the year with a knee injury). Basically, they'd be giving up 2 useless players (Biedrins and Rush) for one very useful player who costs the same amount of money for the same duration. As compensation, they give us a first round pick. Maybe Rush comes back next year as a useful wing man.

Mavs could send us Kaman who is expiring, provided they believe the Kaman/Dirk pairing isnt going to get them anywhere. Personally i dont think it will, they need a better defender and rebounder next to Dirk. If they add Roddy Beaubois to the deal it makes the trade work. Unfortunately he is also expiring, if he was still on that cheap deal, it would be perfect.

Dallas is poised to get way under the cap this summer. I don't think they'll take on extra salary. It makes more sense for them to wait until the offseason and go after Dwight Howard, or at least somebody like Josh Smith.

[Nivek]

Here's a Washington-Memphis-Phoenix trade that might have appeal all the way around.

Wizards trade:
- Nene

Wizards receive:
- Zach Randolph
- Sebastian Telfair (expiring)

Why -- Modest upgrade from Nene. A year older, but better injury history. Contract ends a year earlier than Nene's.
Why not? -- Randolph has been a good guy in Memphis, but there's no guarantee that would continue with a bad team in Washington. Makes $3 million more than Nene.

Memphis trades:
- Zach Randolph
- Rudy Gay

Memphis receives:
- Nene
- Jared Dudley
- Michael Beasley

Why? -- Nene costs less and would be a very nice replacement for Randolph. Dudley actually an upgrade from Gay for $10.6 million less. Would reduce salary by $7.8 million, which would put them solidly under the luxury tax threshold.
Why not? -- Questions about Nene's foot. Beasley is inexplicably on a three-year contract.

Phoenix trades:
- Dudley
- Beasley
- Telfair

Phoenix receives:
- Gay

Why? -- Dunno. If it was me, I couldn't really come up with a "why" on this one. Maybe Phoenix's front office thinks Gay could still become a star?
Why not? -- Gay is inefficient and high usage and doesn't do a lot else to help.

[deneem4]

Trade nene. or boozer/bellinelli (maybe have to add martin or crawford)
Why for wizards: boozer shoots alot and rebounds better... best pick and roll big man shooter and bellimelli 3pt specialist
Why for bulls: Chicago can trim down under the cap and chicago fans dont like boozer...nene defense is better...adding crawford gives the bulls another player that can create his own shot

Nene/(martin or crawford) for zach....
the grizzlies want to trade him to get under cap and need a wing shooter

Nene is better than Boozer, and Boozer costs more.

Randolph is better than Nene, but Nene would likely be a suitable replacement for him with what they're doing down there. And Nene costs less, so that would get them under the luxury tax threshold. Memphis is so close to the threshold, though that they could probably give away one of their scrubs to someone under the tax threshold and avoid it. Randolph is a year older than Nene and is more expensive, which makes a bit less sense for Wizards.

The better move would for Memphis would be to swap out Gay for a SF who plays better and costs less.

Nene is better then boozer but the wizards need a boozer...its not always about talent but how it fits....both are vets but boozer will fit better with the wiz younger players...he can teach wall the pick and roll like he did rose...he spaces the floor better has more range in his jumper..better rebounder and...he also will score if no one else is willing too...thats wht the wizards needs most

Memphis have said theyre willing to move out Randolph...wizards wont hesitate swapping randolph for nene and it makes perfect sense...nene a great pf one of the best...but we need more scoring from downlow...okafor is the defensive presence

[nate33]

Here's a Washington-Memphis-Phoenix trade that might have appeal all the way around.

Wizards trade:
- Nene

Wizards receive:
- Zach Randolph
- Sebastian Telfair (expiring)

Why -- Modest upgrade from Nene. A year older, but better injury history. Contract ends a year earlier than Nene's.
Why not? -- Randolph has been a good guy in Memphis, but there's no guarantee that would continue with a bad team in Washington. Makes $3 million more than Nene.

Memphis trades:
- Zach Randolph
- Rudy Gay

Memphis receives:
- Nene
- Jared Dudley
- Michael Beasley

Why? -- Nene costs less and would be a very nice replacement for Randolph. Dudley actually an upgrade from Gay for $10.6 million less. Would reduce salary by $7.8 million, which would put them solidly under the luxury tax threshold.
Why not? -- Questions about Nene's foot. Beasley is inexplicably on a three-year contract.

Phoenix trades:
- Dudley
- Beasley
- Telfair

Phoenix receives:
- Gay

Why? -- Dunno. If it was me, I couldn't really come up with a "why" on this one. Maybe Phoenix's front office thinks Gay could still become a star?
Why not? -- Gay is inefficient and high usage and doesn't do a lot else to help.

I could definitely see Memphis going for that second trade where they swap Gay's giant contract for Dudley, who is a much more efficient player in a low usage role.

I don't see them being interested in a Randolph for Nene swap because, as you said, Randolph is a little better and definitely more durable. I doubt the Wizards would be interested either based on attitude concerns. It's one thing to ignore the "character first" motto when considering a young talent like Cousins. It's another thing when you are talking about a 31-year-old vet who doesn't really figure into the long term plans.

In theory, Nene is a pretty good fit as the "veteran mentor". He's very good when on the floor, and, over time, should gracefully cede playing time to younger players in order to stay healthy. The only problem is that we lack good young bigs. Maybe that'll change after the draft.

[Nivek]

Nene is better then boozer but the wizards need a boozer...its not always about talent but how it fits....both are vets but boozer will fit better with the wiz younger players...he can teach wall the pick and roll like he did rose...he spaces the floor better has more range in his jumper..better rebounder and...he also will score if no one else is willing too...thats wht the wizards needs most

Boozer isn't a better fit than Nene. He rebounds a little better, but Nene is better at everything else. Shoots more? Okay, pace-adjusted, Boozer this season is averaging 19.9 true shooting attempts (accounting for FGA and FTA) per 40 minutes; Nene is averaging 18.8. This is because Nene draws way more fouls than Boozer does -- an indication that he's more difficult to defend.

Nene is actually higher usage AND more efficient offensively than Boozer. Plus, he's a better passer and defender. The notion that Boozer would somehow be a better fit is nonsense.

[rockymac52]

I like the proposed Z-Bo trade, except for the fact that it's Z-Bo, as a person. I'm terrified he'd 100% pull a Andray Blatche and give up once he was traded here. As a basketball player, I love it.

[payitforward]

...Nene is better then boozer but the wizards need a boozer...its not always about talent but how it fits....

Actually, no -- it's always about "talent" (where that means productivity on the court, not "potential") and never about "how it fits."

Get better players = win more games.

Full stop.

[Dat2U]

Good teams focus on finding talent. Mediocre & bad teams focus on finding good fits.

Randolph would be an upgrade in every sense of the word. Boozer would be a downgrade.

[JWizmentality]

Here's to hoping the new owners of the Kings really hate Demarcus Cousins.

[dangermouse]

I like the proposed Z-Bo trade, except for the fact that it's Z-Bo, as a person. I'm terrified he'd 100% pull a Andray Blatche and give up once he was traded here. As a basketball player, I love it.

Exactly what I thought while reading the trade.

I think i'd just prefer to hope that Nene's foot troubles go away. At least that is something tangible that can be fixed. An attitude problem is not something the Wiz are capable of fixing, as we have seen.

Kind of hypocritical since I like most others have been pushing for Cousins, but i feel that is a different kettle of fish.

[gambitx777]

I dont like the zebo trade, he could pull a blatche on us in a heart beat. same with D.C. i think we need to just admit that mistakes were made and clean house. get more draft picks, and move on.

[jivelikenice]

Question on Rudy Gay. Outside of if we should look at hm as a player, what would the cap consequences be to acquiring him? Would we be able to retain John and Beal when they're due contracts? Assuming a Rudy deal includes Okafors contract, I'd think we can fit Wall in and Néne will be up when Beal is due a contract.....

[nate33]

Question on Rudy Gay. Outside of if we should look at hm as a player, what would the cap consequences be to acquiring him? Would we be able to retain John and Beal when they're due contracts? Assuming a Rudy deal includes Okafors contract, I'd think we can fit Wall in and Néne will be up when Beal is due a contract.....

The cap consequences would be really bad. Nene and Gay would be under contract during the year that Wall was up for renewal. Assuming a straight Okafor for Gay swap, and assuming Wall got a max contract, things would look something like this:

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Player           12/13  13/14  14/15  15/16
Nene Hilario     13.00  13.00  13.00  13.00
Trevor Ariza      7.26   7.73     -      - 
Rudy Gay         16.46  17.89  19.32     - 
John Wall         5.92   7.46  14.00  14.00
Bradley Beal      4.26   4.58   4.90   6.20
Jan Vesely        3.20   3.34   4.24*    - 
Kevin Seraphin    1.80   2.76  (6.90)    - 
Chris Singleton   1.55   1.62   2.49*    - 
Trevor Booker     1.39   2.35     -      - 
Jordan Crawford   1.20   2.16     -      - 
Martell Webster   1.75     -      -      - 
2013 pick (#3)      -    4.13   4.32   4.51
2014 pick (#12)     -    2.02   2.11   2.20

Total Salary     57.78  69.05  71.28  39.90
Salary Cap       58.04  58.04  58.04  58.04
Luxury Tax       70.31  70.31  70.31  70.31
Cap Room          0.26 -11.00 -13.23  18.14
Luxtax Room      12.52   1.26  -0.97  30.40

Our cap figure in 2014/15 would be $71.28M assuming we refrain from resigning Booker and Crawford, and we resign Seraphin to a contract equivalent to the size of his cap hold. I'm also assuming we take the 4th year options on the 2011 draft class. (We could cut Vesely and/or Singleton if desired.) Of course, that's only 9 players on the roster. We would need to add at least 2 more, and probably more like 4. Basically, we would be over the luxtax unless we surrounded Wall, Beal, Gay, Seraphin and Nene with nothing but draft picks and minimum salary players.

[Nivek]

Barring radical improvement, there's be no reason to keep Vesely, Singleton or Seraphin, so the Wizards could save some money there.

[nate33]

Barring radical improvement, there's be no reason to keep Vesely, Singleton or Seraphin, so the Wizards could save some money there.

Agreed. But with just Wall, Beal, Gay, Nene, our 2013 pick and our 2014 pick alone, we'd have a cap number of $57.8M. Add one more competent big man to the lineup (whether that's Seraphin or someone else) at roughly the MLE and we're up to $63M for 7 players, more if that hypothetical big man costs more than the MLE (which they usually do). Fill out the roster with minimum salary guys and we'd be pretty close to the luxtax. We wouldn't have the flexibility to sign or trade for anybody for 2-1/2 years and we'd have no depth at all.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you that Rudy Gay isn't worth it.

[jivelikenice]

I'd keep Seraphin. But Singleton/Vesely can go or we can keep them at minimal salaries....

[Nivek]

Yeah, nate -- I agree with everything you posted. Just pointing out that those three haven't shown signs of being worth a new contract.

Seraphin showed some life last season, but he's regressed this year. He's been terrible.

[jivelikenice]

I don't know.....I know Rudy Gay isn't great, but I'd look into a trade for him if we can get him without giving up the first round pick. I think a team made up of Wall/Beal/Gay/Seraphin/Nene/2013 1st rd pick and roster fillers can make some noise. '14 seems like the tough year according to Nate but in '15 we'd be ok again with Rudy off the books. Its just soo difficult to find that type of prototype SF...

[Dat2U]

IMO the only offer involving Gay that makes sense from a Wizards standpoint is Nene + filler.

Gay's contract only has two years after this one and it's a year shorter than Nene's deal. I still worry about Nene's health risk so trading him for a player at a position of need on a contract that's a year shorter makes sense to me.

[nate33]

Its just soo difficult to find that type of prototype SF...

These days, I think SF is about the easiest position to fill. Look at the recent acquisitions. In 2011, Klay Thompson went 11th, Kawhi Leonard went 15th, and Chandler Parsons went 38th. In 2010, Gordon Hayward went 9th, Paul George went 10th. In 2009, Chase Buddinger went 44th and Danny Green went 46th.

Besides, with Wall as our PG and assuming Beal improves, we don't really need a shot creator like Pierce or Gay at SF. All we really need is a 3&D SF in the Kawhi Leonard mold. I'd much rather pay Martell Webster $2M a year to do that than Gay $17M a year to do the same thing with a few more low-percentage one-on-one shots thrown in.