Jrue Holiday revisited

KrazySixersD · Post #21 » by **KrazySixersD** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:48 pm

^ which further proves our point

eyeatoma · Post #22 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:48 am

Just in case some of you still don't believe Jrue deserves to make the all-star reserves, just watch the spectacular performance he had last night...

33 pts/14 assists/1 3pt/ 6-8 ft / 13-23 fg / 5 rebs / 3 stls / 3 tos

Not only is a top 3 pg this year, but I really feel that he is a top 10-15 player atm...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg7gHAXrpU4[/youtube]

Optms · Post #23 » by **Optms** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:52 am

Jrue has developed so much since his first couple of seasons. The first Sixers game I saw of him a month ago I was in total shock at how much noticeably he improved. He should be in the All-Star game.

Illmatic21 · Post #24 » by **Illmatic21** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:11 am

Holiday has become one of my favorite players this season, dude is nice. He looks so comfortable running the team and always knows when to attack or when to create. You can tell he doesn't think much and lets things come naturally to him.

He reminds me a lot of younger Deron Williams (clearly he's better than D-Will right now)

Jase · Post #25 » by **Jase** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:04 am

KrazySixersD wrote:well, jrue is now averaging 19.3 ppg and 9 assists per game, and he just got finished DESTROYING kyle lowery.. scoring our last 14 points in a row to come back and win

So, you're creating a thread to gloat about your own player....kind of an "I told you so" mentality, right?

"Destroying" Kyle Lowry (not Lowery) isn't saying much. He's been hurt most of the year, he's been pretty much disappointing since coming to Canada, and he was coming off the bench. So him getting outplayed isn't exactly something the basketball world is going to get excited over.

And it's sad that you guys had to come from behind to beat the Raptors. With all do respect to the TOR faithful (best fanbase on RealGM. Definitely best sigs), Philly should have been able to handle this game without needing heroics at the end.

aHealthy3 · Post #26 » by **aHealthy3** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:09 am

Jase wrote:
KrazySixersD wrote:well, jrue is now averaging 19.3 ppg and 9 assists per game, and he just got finished DESTROYING kyle lowery.. scoring our last 14 points in a row to come back and win

So, you're creating a thread to gloat about your own player....kind of an "I told you so" mentality, right?

"Destroying" Kyle Lowry (not Lowery) isn't saying much. He's been hurt most of the year, he's been pretty much disappointing since coming to Canada, and he was coming off the bench. So him getting outplayed isn't exactly something the basketball world is going to get excited over.

And it's sad that you guys had to come from behind to beat the Raptors. With all do respect to the TOR faithful (best fanbase on RealGM. Definitely best sigs), Philly should have been able to handle this game without needing heroics at the end.

He mentioned it because there were people on here trying to make the laughable claim that Lowry is better than Jrue.

sixerhp3 · Post #27 » by **sixerhp3** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:52 am

Holiday is playing like the 3rd best PG in the league as of now. Straight beast.. The only reason why I still watch every Sixers game.. Interesting to see how Bynum pans out

daschysta · Post #28 » by **daschysta** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:12 am

Holiday is way under-rated by most people.

However, by that same token Bynum is way overrated by most people.

Bynum coming back isn't going to make Philly into a homecourt team in the East, that roster has big problems when you look beyond Jrue/Bynum/Thadeus young.

Evan Turner is fading in a dissapointing way, his shooting percentage has gone from 45.8 to 42.7 to 39.6 month by month, his scoring has dropped from 14.9 to 14.4 to 11.6 month by month so have his Rebounds and 3 point percentage (45.8 to 41 to 30). I don't really see him as a starter on a contending team, which is dissapointing considering he started really hot. Young has underperformed, and really everyone else has as well but Thadeus and Jrue, Bynum isn't going to just make everything better.

Jrue is the real deal though, it's just that he and Bynum alone aren't going to make the Sixers into a 50+ win squad.

Tumakapac713 · Post #29 » by **Tumakapac713** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:27 am

Jrue has been playing out of his mind despite the fact that Philly has been a major disappointment this year. If he was to be left off the team, he'd more than likely be the biggest snub. Rondo was a shoo-in to be voted in by the fans but Jrue better get the respect of the coaches.

NashtyNas · Post #30 » by **NashtyNas** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:46 am

fatlever wrote:it will be a complete shame if holiday isnt added to the all-star team. he is having an amazing year and carrying that team on his back.

If Deron Williams or Brandon Jennings make it in over Holiday, I will seriously consider not watching the NBA.

eyeatoma · Post #31 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:56 am

Gotta agree with Socrates...If Deron Williams made it last year with that horrible team, and Kevin Love got in twice without making the playoffs, there is precedent to get Holiday selected by the coaches. It could very be one of the biggest snubs in the last few years if he doesn't get selected...

Post #32 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:45 am

KrazySixersD wrote:
hes a 1 man team right now and honestly anyone who says this kid doesnt deserve the all star game or that he isnt one of the top PG's in the league is just not watching any of his games... ill leave with these quotes from rotoworld:
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He may well get an all-star spot, and maybe he deserves one. Have to say though, Philly's falloff this year is at historic levels this year. SRS is -7.73 worse than last year. In any normal situation this either screams:

1) Whoever left last year WAS your team.
2) Whatever strategy you're trying this year is FAILING.

With either case, it's not wise to look at the stats of anyone on the team and saying "He's doing amazing!" Philly handed the team to Holiday this year, and the result is a team worse than any 76er team since the Jordan era. And while defense is the biggest issue, the offense is the worst we saw from Philly in about a decade too.

In the off-season, Philly needs to seriously look at where they are in every possible way, and that includes asking whether Holiday's individual stats really indicate he's a franchise player.

Post #33 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:48 am

eyeatoma wrote:Gotta agree with Socrates...If Deron Williams made it last year with that horrible team, and Kevin Love got in twice without making the playoffs, there is precedent to get Holiday selected by the coaches. It could very be one of the biggest snubs in the last few years if he doesn't get selected...

As mentioned, there's the issue that Love & Deron came to awful teams whereas Holiday has never been on an awful team until this year. To the extent one can fault Love & Deron for not being able to do more to help a bad team, one can argue that the decision to put everything in Holiday's hands is part of the reason the team sucks now. That's gotta hurt.

aHealthy3 · Post #34 » by **aHealthy3** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:54 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Gotta agree with Socrates...If Deron Williams made it last year with that horrible team, and Kevin Love got in twice without making the playoffs, there is precedent to get Holiday selected by the coaches. It could very be one of the biggest snubs in the last few years if he doesn't get selected...

As mentioned, there's the issue that Love & Deron came to awful teams whereas Holiday has never been on an awful team until this year. To the extent one can fault Love & Deron for not being able to do more to help a bad team, one can argue that the decision to put everything in Holiday's hands is part of the reason the team sucks now. That's gotta hurt.

It's not exactly Holiday's fault that the roster turnover that happened after last year looks like this...

Out:
Andre Iguodala
Elton Brand (team's best big last yr)
Lou Williams
Nikola Vucevic
Jodie Meeks

In:
Andrew Bynum...0 games played
Kwame Brown
Nick Young
Jason Richardson
Dorell Wright

If Bynum is in the lineup, this team's better than any Sixers team in recent memory. The fact that he's excelling despite the rest of the roster being stripped down in favor of a piece that's not even playing helps his argument more than it hurts it.

bronxknicksfan1 · Post #35 » by **bronxknicksfan1** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:59 am

But wasn't this Sixers team supposed to be a force and be better than the Knicks and the Celtics according to most? :lol:

eyeatoma · Post #36 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:13 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Gotta agree with Socrates...If Deron Williams made it last year with that horrible team, and Kevin Love got in twice without making the playoffs, there is precedent to get Holiday selected by the coaches. It could very be one of the biggest snubs in the last few years if he doesn't get selected...

As mentioned, there's the issue that Love & Deron came to awful teams whereas Holiday has never been on an awful team until this year. To the extent one can fault Love & Deron for not being able to do more to help a bad team, one can argue that the decision to put everything in Holiday's hands is part of the reason the team sucks now. That's gotta hurt.

I believe the team was 0-4 when Holiday was injured this year. The team is something like 17-19 with him. He's the only scorer on the team and averages 9 apg. How does he not contribute to the betterment of the team? I agree if the supporting cast is better, but even Chris Paul wouldn't be able to do much with this team.

Nick Young - epic chucker
Jason Richardson - streaky shooter
Spencer Hawes - shows up once in 10 games
Evan Turner - plays well for 10 games then plays like dirt for 25
Kwame Brown - nuff said
Lavoy Allen - good defender mediocre offensive player
Thad Young - great energy hustle player who has actually played well as a starter

You can't blame Holiday for not doing better with this bunch. The advanced stats also shows that the team defense improves, and the offense is better with him on the court (statheads help me out here).

There have been plenty of terrible teams with great players, including Lebron James during his first two years in the league his team failed to make the playoffs, he's widely considered the best player in the league.

Look how horrible the Lakers are this year! Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol. All better players than Jrue (expect for maybe Pau), all first ballot hall of famers, and they're below .500.

Look at Deron Williams last year, he was moved to a terrible Nets team and they were still terrible, yet two years ago people were saying Deron was possibly the best pg in the NBA.

Holiday actually has one of the highest conversion percentages in the paint among any point gaurd in the league and he's been very clutch in the 4th quarter this year. Smugly saying that the team handed the keys to Jrue and is underperforming because of that is a little too easy without looking at the facts. Theres a difference between handing the keys to a player with quality starters, who have been successful before, and handing it to a team where the majority of the players (Brown, Richardson, Young, Ivey, Wilkins, Hawes have lost for most their career). Do you realize that players like Royal Ivey and Damien Wilkins, who are supposed to be proverbial human victory cigars actually get burn on this team? And yet you blame Holiday for the teams lackluster year???

Without Jrue Holiday this team would compete with the worst in league history record wise. If the team gets to .500 or above without Bynum, Holiday is actually an MVP candidate. In fact NBA.com had him as an MVP candidate (ranked 10) in early December before he got injured and the wheels came off.

sprint2thecup · Post #37 » by **sprint2thecup** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:44 am

a lot of these guys can't handle the jruth. dude is freakin ballin.

ITK9 · Post #38 » by **ITK9** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:03 am

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:But wasn't this Sixers team supposed to be a force and be better than the Knicks and the Celtics according to most?

Maybe playing without the second best center in the league didin't helped our cause very much.

Mr. Crowley · Post #39 » by **Mr. Crowley** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:15 am

If any Sixer deserves to be in the all star game that would be Thaddeus Young.

Jrue is surely an above average starter, but no star and his impact is overrated.

underpressure · Post #40 » by **underpressure** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:34 am

Mr. Crowley wrote:If any Sixer deserves to be in the all star game that would be Thaddeus Young.

Jrue is surely an above average starter, but no star and his impact is overrated.

I would not label Jrue a star either but he is a star in the making. His only knock is that he is too timid at drawing fouls and he at times makes sloppy passes. A case can be also made that he is not a born leader. But arguing that his impact is overrated is downright wrong. On a team which has been awfully inconsistent and where some players play below their abilities, he delivers almost every single night. In fact, he has only scored ONCE in single digits this season. This is coming from a player who was wildly inconsistent in previous seasons as well.

Jrue has been the real deal so far and deserves to be an Allstar. The game against the Bucks may be a potential measure stick whether Holiday gets in over Jennings.