The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II 

Post#1321 » by Mikez1919 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:25 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_KOyOnjp0[/youtube]

just 1 of Drummonds 5 lobs tonight.
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Post#1322 » by ComboGuardCity » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:52 am

Shem, let me know when you look up the iso stat before you write another Lillard novel.
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Post#1323 » by kurtis48239 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:05 am

I agree that most bigs who shoot terrible ft percentages dont get much better,but when you look at dre shoot you can tell by his form he has the mechanics down and a soft touch.I could see dre getting between 50-60 in the future.We can also see from tonight,that when boston tried the hack -a-dre he performed well under that pressure,which is a really good sign.
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Post#1324 » by branny » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:11 am

Mikez1919 wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_KOyOnjp0[/youtube]

just 1 of Drummonds 5 lobs tonight.

Ball bounced so high :lol:
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Post#1325 » by Goldtop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:21 am

idk if Drummond will ever be a good FT shooter, though I think he is capable, but as long as he makes them when they count thats good enough. Today was a good test to show that he can make them when he has to.
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Post#1326 » by Mikez1919 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:48 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suGvkHoswO8[/youtube]
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II 

Post#1327 » by Shem » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:54 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2KH5jcOMJo[/youtube]
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Post#1328 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:58 am

If Detroit had a shooting coach as amazing as Chip Engelland Drummond will be at ~50% FT shooting by the end of the season. ;)
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Post#1329 » by orangeparka » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:18 am

Mikez1919 wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suGvkHoswO8[/youtube]


Damn, you can't leave Drummond so wide open on defense like that. He really made them pay.

It's nice to see him make his FTs on the hack-a-Drummond attempts. :lol:
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Post#1330 » by Goldtop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:41 am

I know Lillard is having a great year, and Drummond is probably not getting enough min to qualify for ROY, but when you look at what he's doing statistically its unprecedented for a rookie afaik, and I really think he deserves serious consideration at this point.

Here are Drummonds rankings according to basketball reference (and these are for the whole league, not just rookie rankings) -

Defensive Rating: 6th

Offensive Rating: 16th

Total Reb%: 4th

Off Reb%: 2nd

Block %: 6th

Off Reb Total: 14th

Blocks Total: 13th

PER: 12th

Blocks/GM: 14th

Win Shares/48 min: 13th

He's the only player in the league in the top 16 in both Offensive and Defensive Rating. To put that in perspective, the superstars like LeBron, Durant, Paul etc aren't even in the top 20 in both.

He's top a 15 player in 10 major categories as a 19 yr old rookie. To compare it to LeBrons rookie year, James made the BR Top 20 Leaderboard in 9 major categories.
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Post#1331 » by Kabookalu » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:28 am

I do think Drummond should get ROY consideration, but with the year Lillard has been having there's little chance he gets it.
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Post#1332 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:30 am

Choker wrote:I do think Drummond should get ROY consideration, but with the year Lillard has been having there's little chance he gets it.


He's a lock for All-Rookie 1st Team though, IMO Lillard/Davis/Drummond are all locks with the last two spots being fought over by Beal/Waiters/Shved/MKG/Barnes.
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Post#1333 » by branny » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:35 am

Choker wrote:I do think Drummond should get ROY consideration, but with the year Lillard has been having there's little chance he gets it.

Should get considered but he needs more minutes imo to have a better chance
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Post#1334 » by Blkbrd671 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:32 am

kidleader wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Drummond 6/8 FTs so far. FT shooting won't be a problem. I'm very well aware that's a small sample size, but the form and the touch are there. No reason he can't get up as high as 70% from the line.


[x] shoots 38% on the season
[ ] can somehow get to 70%



From the statments bigshot made, i see where your coming from. however Drummond's does have a nice touch and i think will EVENTUALLY be a 70% shooter. Free throw shooting is a problem but it looks like it can be fixed
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Post#1335 » by princeofpalace » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:26 pm

Onioneer wrote:Drummond with 16pts, 7 rebs, a block and a steal in 20 minutes on 5/6 shooting including 6/8 from FT. Also interesting, the pistons' announcers said he's up from 280 to 297 pounds, and still athletic beyond belief.


:o If true, kid will be unstoppable!

The 5 rooks Ive been most impressed with recently are:

1) Drummond
2) Lillard
3) Beal
4) Davis
5) Waiters
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II 

Post#1336 » by branny » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:28 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Can someone confirm this that has access to synergy? Apparently it says Lillard is the 12th worst iso defender in the league. That is the epitome of perimeter defense.


How do you know it's the 12th worst? 186th is pretty bad but I'm wondering if you have access to the whole rankings of synergy?
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Post#1337 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:44 pm

Onioneer wrote:Drummond with 16pts, 7 rebs, a block and a steal in 20 minutes on 5/6 shooting including 6/8 from FT. Also interesting, the pistons' announcers said he's up from 280 to 297 pounds, and still athletic beyond belief.


speaking as a Blazer fan who went through the Greg Oden ordeal, I wouldn't be happy about Drummond carrying more weight rather then less. Those extra pounds add a lot of stress and impact to the knees and lower body on every step, and especially every time he jumps and lands

body mass does not necessarily equal core strength. Especially not for a guy as young as Drummond.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II 

Post#1338 » by Mikez1919 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:02 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
Onioneer wrote:Drummond with 16pts, 7 rebs, a block and a steal in 20 minutes on 5/6 shooting including 6/8 from FT. Also interesting, the pistons' announcers said he's up from 280 to 297 pounds, and still athletic beyond belief.


speaking as a Blazer fan who went through the Greg Oden ordeal, I wouldn't be happy about Drummond carrying more weight rather then less. Those extra pounds add a lot of stress and impact to the knees and lower body on every step, and especially every time he jumps and lands

body mass does not necessarily equal core strength. Especially not for a guy as young as Drummond.


I think he can handle it with his build.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II 

Post#1339 » by mid-post » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:03 pm

I'd be surprised if he was at 297 now, he specifically said he'd dropped weight to be a little faster than when he was at UConn (where he was about mid-290s). He doesn't look any bigger, but who knows, it's possible. I kind of think someone was maybe having some dyscalculia 279--->297. Either way he carries it well. He's got some tree stumps for legs (and they're both the same length) so I don't think the Oden concerns should weigh too heavily on folks.
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Post#1340 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:03 pm

Didn't Yao have a great foundation too?
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