Trades for the Bucks to blow it up

LUKE23 · Post #361 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:41 pm

I'd actually be somewhat surprised if both guards are kept. I think moving one of them is most likely.

raferfenix · Post #362 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:58 pm

If Kohl is serious about selling you'd think the one option he would mandate us not to pursue is locking up the 2.0 version of the Bucks' chucker twin backcourt to long term risky deals.

Provided that's the case, then it's just about how to maintain an all out assault on the 8th seed while justifying the deal 'for the casual fan', or whoever Koh's cronies thinks is still smitten by the swag.

CanadaBucks · Post #363 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:30 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I'm not crazy at all about adding Gasol, he's been horrendous this year and I'm not sure he'd love to be traded here. I certainly wouldn't give any assets for him. I'd rather try and turn Monta into a pick or young prospect if we can.

I wouldn't even include Udoh though if we felt compelled to try and get Pau. Ellis/Dalembert, take it or leave it.

This is too much for Pau...if it included Gooden and Ersan I'd be good

LUKE23 · Post #364 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:33 pm

I don't view Ilyasova as a negative asset, and I doubt the Lakers would accept Gooden.

For as much as we don't want to admit it, someone is probably going to offer decent expiring players for Gasol, if not young assets. I don't want to keep Monta under any scenario. So I'd offer Monta/Dalembert if we are inclined to make win now moves.

CanadaBucks · Post #365 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:38 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I don't view Ilyasova as a negative asset, and I doubt the Lakers would accept Gooden.

For as much as we don't want to admit it, someone is probably going to offer decent expiring players for Gasol, if not young assets. I don't want to keep Monta under any scenario. So I'd offer Monta/Dalembert if we are inclined to make win now moves.

Just curious(this is not a dig or anything)which teams do you see pursuing Pau.

I could see Houston, just don't see how they would get there.

Toronto-If Bargs isn't going out they won't do it imo

Chicago-Boozer would have to go

Utah?-doubtful

Not sure what other teams would be in the mix.

coolhandluke121 · Post #366 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:45 pm

galena wrote:
raferfenix wrote:This might mean the Lakers are less interested in Ersan, but more interested in Monta:

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Trade market for Pau Gasol complicated because Lakers have made clear that they don't want back long-term money in deal, league sources say.

Not sure if LA is getting any offers better in this vein than Monta / Daly / Udoh for Pau / Meeks.

No thanks. If Pau was healthy, sure. But we don't need another Bogut situation where our main big can't be relied on. Especially not at the cost of the entire value we received for Bogut (Ellis and Udoh) PLUS the sacrifice of moving down in the draft from 7 to 12 (Daly deal). No need to compound mistakes with more mistakes.

Anyway, we aren't trading either one of the swag bros. No way. We'll match whatever Jennings gets on the open market (if we don't bid against ourselves and just give him 4/44 on July 1st that is- after all- don't want to hurt the little guy's feelings ), and we will just hope that Monta opts in.

I'm having a little trouble following you. Especially the part about moving down from 7 to 12 in the draft. It was moving from 12 to 14. But that's irrelevant now. Do they have the option of moving back up to 12 if they keep Dalembert? Do they have the option of getting back a player of Bogut's value (at the time of the trade) if they keep the guys they traded Bogut for? What they traded for Daly, Monta, and Udoh has nothing to do with what they're worth now. Moar logick, plz.

Lippo · Post #367 » by **Lippo** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:06 pm

Bucks & Raptors
Ellis/Ersan for Lowry/Derozan/Davis/Kleiza

Bucks and Jazz
Udrih/Davis/Udoh/2nd for Millsap/Burks

Bucks and Knicks
Gooden/Kleiza/Moute/Dale for Stoudemire/Shumpert

PG: Jennings/Lowry
SG: Shumpert/Burks/Lamb
SF: DeRozan/Dunleavy/Daniels
PF: Millsap/Henson/Harris
C: Sanders/Stoudemire/Pryz

Amare isn't great anymore, but he would eat up 2nd team centers and would contribute more than Kleiza/Gooden/Dale

CanadaBucks · Post #368 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:13 pm

Lippo wrote:Bucks & Raptors
Ellis/Ersan for Lowry/Derozan/Davis/Kleiza/2nd

Bucks and Jazz
Udrih/Davis/Udoh/2nd for Millsap/Burks

Bucks and Knicks
Gooden/Kleiza/Dale for Stoudemire

PG: Jennings/Lowry
SG: Dunleavy/Burks/Lamb
SF: DeRozan/Harris/Daniels
PF: Millsap/Henson/Moute
C: Sanders/Stoudemire/Pryz

Amare isn't great anymore, but he would eat up 2nd team centers.

1. Ed Davis is not being traded from the Raptors, this trade sucks for the Raptors
2. Ed Davis can only be traded 1 for 1 if we acquire him in a deal
3. See above and I think there's no way the Bucks would want Amare

Be shocked if a team going for the playoffs would have 5 new players

Lippo · Post #369 » by **Lippo** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:17 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
Lippo wrote:Bucks & Raptors
Ellis/Ersan for Lowry/Derozan/Davis/Kleiza/2nd

Bucks and Jazz
Udrih/Davis/Udoh/2nd for Millsap/Burks

Bucks and Knicks
Gooden/Kleiza/Dale for Stoudemire

PG: Jennings/Lowry
SG: Dunleavy/Burks/Lamb
SF: DeRozan/Harris/Daniels
PF: Millsap/Henson/Moute
C: Sanders/Stoudemire/Pryz

Amare isn't great anymore, but he would eat up 2nd team centers.

1. Ed Davis is not being traded from the Raptors, this trade sucks for the Raptors
2. Ed Davis can only be traded 1 for 1 if we acquire him in a deal
3. See above and I think there's no way the Bucks would want Amare

Be shocked if a team going for the playoffs would have 5 new players

its a "blow it up" trade thread.. not a predication

Lippo · Post #370 » by **Lippo** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:18 pm

Lippo wrote:Bucks & Raptors
Ellis/Ersan for Lowry/Derozan/Davis/Kleiza

Bucks and Jazz
Udrih/Davis/Udoh/2nd for Millsap/Burks

Bucks and Knicks
Gooden/Kleiza/Moute/Dale for Stoudemire/Shumpert

PG: Jennings/Lowry
SG: Shumpert/Burks/Lamb
SF: DeRozan/Dunleavy/Daniels
PF: Millsap/Henson/Harris
C: Sanders/Stoudemire/Pryz

Amare isn't great anymore, but he would eat up 2nd team centers and would contribute more than Kleiza/Gooden/Dale

we arent trying to guess what the bucks will do in this thread, its basically titled.. bucks 2k13 roster ideas.

Lippo · Post #371 » by **Lippo** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:22 pm

Bucks & Raptors
Ellis/Ersan for Lowry/Derozan/Davis/Kleiza

yeah looks in the bucks favor to me, but there are trade ideas in the raptors forum suggesting ersan for dd straight up, and Ellis > Lowry, Davis is a throw in, and Kleiza is a negative.

jakecronus8 · Post #372 » by **jakecronus8** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:24 pm

I'm still all about Rondo
Again...

Jennings, Monta, Tobes for Rondo and CLee.

Ersan, Gooden, Udoh, 2nd, for Gasol and Meeks

Rondo/Beno
Lee/Meeks/Lamb
Moute/Dunleavy
Gasol/Henson
Sanders/Dalmebert/Prz

That team competes now and looks great for the future in shedding Ersan and Gooden. I'd throw in our late first to get this done too.

Post #373 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:27 pm

It still wouldn't get it done. The Lakers aren't forced to trade Gasol, and if they do move him, it won't be to take on other teams' bad contracts. Gasol only has a year on his contract after this season.

CanadaBucks · Post #374 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:30 pm

TyCobb wrote:It still wouldn't get it done. The Lakers aren't forced to trade Gasol, and if they do move him, it won't be to take on other teams' bad contracts. Gasol only has a year on his contract after this season.

Apparently the thread title is in code, it's supposed to be Bucks trades that are totally unrealistic or that you would do on 2K13

jakecronus8 · Post #375 » by **jakecronus8** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:30 pm

TyCobb wrote:It still wouldn't get it done. The Lakers aren't forced to trade Gasol, and if they do move him, it won't be to take on other teams' bad contracts. Gasol only has a year on his contract after this season.

That's true but if they want to salvage this season and next year, they need to do something drastic, which is likely to occur given Kobe's age.

Post #376 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:32 pm

We do the same thing over on the Lakers board. :lol:

Man this season sucks.

EDIT: I really do think the Bucks are the Lakers best potential trade partner though. Alot of different combinations can be done that make sense to both squads.

LUKE23 · Post #377 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:33 pm

The Lakers won't need to take on salary to trade Pau is my guess. At the same time, I don't think they are in position to demand young assets at all either. Useful expirings is what I expect them to receive if Pau is moved.

Lippo · Post #378 » by **Lippo** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:33 pm

well its "Not Realistic" that the bucks will "Blow It Up".. so this whole thread is based on "Unrealistic Ideas".
Trades that have fair values and work in trade machines are fair game. They are however not predictions, when you do mock drafts in football, do you do what you would want and think best for the team.. or guess what TT would do?

James1980 · Post #379 » by **James1980** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:35 pm

There was a rumor a little while ago regarding LaMarcus Aldridge. Any way we could still get him? What would it take?

jakecronus8 · Post #380 » by **jakecronus8** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:35 pm

LUKE23 wrote:The Lakers won't need to take on salary to trade Pau is my guess. At the same time, I don't think they are in position to demand young assets at all either. Useful expirings is what I expect them to receive if Pau is moved.

I wonder what they would think of a Ersan/Dalembert swap.