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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#161 » by eagle13 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:59 am

DrugBust wrote:Woj:

Three teams that league GM's on phones believe will make significant moves before trade deadline: Atlanta, Milwaukee and Phoenix.

3 TEAM - 12 PLAYERS
MIL- BJ dunleavy Ellis Sam udoh /// Teague korver Dudley gortat brown
ATL- Smith Teague korver /// BJ dunleavy udoh sam Johnson 1st
PHX- Dudley gortat brown Johnson 1st /// ellis Smith

ROSTER
Teague / Udrih / brown
Dudley / daniels / lamb
Korver / moute / harris
Ersan / Henson / gooden
Sanders / Gortat / pryzbill
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#162 » by Wise1 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:11 am

I think that team nosedives in the standings eagle13. Stealth tank.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#163 » by eagle13 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:44 am

Wise1 wrote:I think that team nosedives in the standings eagle13. Stealth tank.

precisely -
we keep sanders henson ersan harris lamb & our 1st which should be late lottery
we add useful young dudley & a likely late lottery 1st
we dump ellis & sam
we swap BJ for teague
we improve backup C w/ gortat > udoh

with 2 lotto picks & MLE we add a SF & SG & PG and continue stealth youth movement
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#164 » by eagle13 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:57 am

eagle13 wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Woj:

Three teams that league GM's on phones believe will make significant moves before trade deadline: Atlanta, Milwaukee and Phoenix.

3 TEAM - 12 PLAYERS
MIL- BJ dunleavy Ellis Sam udoh /// Teague korver Dudley gortat brown
ATL- Smith Teague korver /// BJ dunleavy udoh sam Johnson 1st
PHX- Dudley gortat brown Johnson 1st /// ellis Smith


OR less complicated, more likely three 1on1 trades between the 3 teams

MIL – BJ MDJ – ATL – Teague Korver

MIL - Ellis Sam – PHX – Dudley Brown Johnson 1st

(ATL - Smith – PHX – gortat morris 1st)

ROSTER
Teague / Udrih / brown
Dudley / johnson / lamb
Korver / moute / harris
Ersan / Henson / gooden
Sanders / udoh / pryzbilla
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#165 » by CJTURT » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:20 am

With the Bulls trying to trade RIP now to save money, I could see a deal like

MIL Trading Ellis, Dalembert, and Udoh Bulls trade Boozer, RIP and Jummy Butler

They shed Sam D's deal after the year to avoid the Luxury tax


Jennings
Hamilton
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Boozer
Sanders
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#166 » by DWagner85 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:22 am

mlloyd10 wrote:My Prediction

Hawks get: Moute/T Jones
Bucks get: Smith
Rockets get: Dalembert



Jennings-10m, Ellis-10m, Moute-4.7m, Smith-15m, Sanders-8m = 47.7 million for our starting 5.

Lamb will be at .889 and Udoh at 4.1. Mike 4.0 Korver 3.5 Harris 2.1

If that is our core roster of 10 players, we would be around 62m, 2m over the projected cap.

Bring in two rookies, a first and a 2nd, we are then around 65m in cap given we will pick in the 18+ range.

So at 12 players we are at 5m over the cap. I wager we sign 1 guy to around 2.5m and then 2 vets at the vet minimum, I think .95 next season.

15 players would net us around 69m of cap space on a projected 60m cap, 9m over the cap is still under the hard tax, and the hard tax is the only truly strict penalty.

Not saying I want to go this route, and likely the Bucks would deal Udoh for a cheaper option, as well as not keep Korver at 3.5. Bucks could be in the 3-4m over the cap ballpark while keeping Jennings, Ellis, Moute, Smith, and Sanders locked in for 4 plus seasons.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#167 » by blazza18 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:22 am

No way the Bulls give up Butler.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#168 » by DWagner85 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:23 am

blazza18 wrote:No way the Bulls give up Butler.


No way is a bit over the top, he is good, but nowhere near a star, or even a borderline star. I see him as a 3 star player, worthy of being the 4th guy on a mediocre team. If they can get a guy with higher value then that currently, say JJ Redick who is deemed a 3 star himself, but offers a weakness the Bulls have, they will deal him.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#169 » by CJTURT » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:25 am

blazza18 wrote:No way the Bulls give up Butler.


Thats fine They can throw in someone else to make salaries match

Or we can just eliminate Butler from the trade period. Im fine with having Boozer and RIP the next couple years.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#170 » by whatthe_buck!? » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:23 am

DrugBust wrote:Woj:

Three teams that league GM's on phones believe will make significant moves before trade deadline: Atlanta, Milwaukee and Phoenix.

This is shaping up to be either the most disappointing bucks trade deadline ever when we make an absolutely terrible trade or the most disappointing deadline ever when we end up doing nothing...
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#171 » by DWagner85 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:18 am

I cannot predict what the Bucks will actually do, as I feel it is going to be multi faceted with a future goal in mind. Sad thing for all of you fans, it is going to be a more spiffy, jazzed up version of the win now approach you all hate.

Only thing I am positive of is that Larry Sanders will be a Buck past thursday. My gut also says Jennings and Henson are also safe. I fully expect at least two trades to be made. One acquiring Josh Smith, and the other acquiring more help on the wing.

To get Smith we likely give up Harris, Udoh, and Ersan

In the other trade I feel we will trade Udrih and possibly a draft pick.

My guess for our lineup when the deadline is over with.

Jennings/Redick
Ellis/Redick
Moute/Mike D
Smith/Henson
Sanders/Dalembert

Yes I do also feel this means we resign both Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith in the offseason, while trading Ellis via sign and trade for best available. We will let Mike D walk, as well as Dalembert, and add cheaper vets to replace them, as we are going to also save money for Sanders extension, which is looking more and more expensive the more he plays.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#172 » by AussieBuck » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:32 am

Not so sure it's the direction as much as the execution. Keeping both inefficient chuckers while adding a third and rounding out the starting lineup with guys who cant score outside of 5 feet doesn't exactly scream 'win now'
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#173 » by Oscar71 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:54 am

Well, I'll go out on a limb and say they'll just be ordering for some pizzas, and while doing so, Hammond will be tying up the phone line so the call with the franchise changing offer never gets thru...
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Post#174 » by tyland » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 am

I'm just sure they will disappoint. They always do...
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Post#175 » by tonyreyes123 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:36 am

Eric Gordon would be too epic.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#176 » by galena » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:17 am

mlloyd10 wrote:My Prediction

Hawks get: Moute/T Jones
Bucks get: Smith
Rockets get: Dalembert

That would be awesome. Not gonna happen though.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#177 » by LUKE23 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:43 pm

DWagner85 wrote:I cannot predict what the Bucks will actually do, as I feel it is going to be multi faceted with a future goal in mind. Sad thing for all of you fans, it is going to be a more spiffy, jazzed up version of the win now approach you all hate.

Only thing I am positive of is that Larry Sanders will be a Buck past thursday. My gut also says Jennings and Henson are also safe. I fully expect at least two trades to be made. One acquiring Josh Smith, and the other acquiring more help on the wing.

To get Smith we likely give up Harris, Udoh, and Ersan

In the other trade I feel we will trade Udrih and possibly a draft pick.

My guess for our lineup when the deadline is over with.

Jennings/Redick
Ellis/Redick
Moute/Mike D
Smith/Henson
Sanders/Dalembert

Yes I do also feel this means we resign both Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith in the offseason, while trading Ellis via sign and trade for best available. We will let Mike D walk, as well as Dalembert, and add cheaper vets to replace them, as we are going to also save money for Sanders extension, which is looking more and more expensive the more he plays.


So Redick and Ellis walk, we overpay Jennings and Smith, using essentially all our cap. We trade the draft pick so we can't draft a wing. We have no real money to sign a wing. How is that team better than this years team again? It's nothing but a .500 team that is now locked in financially. Great defensively and horrendous offensively.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#178 » by DickCunningham » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:50 pm

Minor move for more swag. Someone who can dunk the ball and shoot a long three. That and the eighth seed is all we need to make the playoffs/put more butts in the seats. That's not my view, but would appear to be the Bucks' view.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#179 » by DWagner85 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:20 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
DWagner85 wrote:I cannot predict what the Bucks will actually do, as I feel it is going to be multi faceted with a future goal in mind. Sad thing for all of you fans, it is going to be a more spiffy, jazzed up version of the win now approach you all hate.

Only thing I am positive of is that Larry Sanders will be a Buck past thursday. My gut also says Jennings and Henson are also safe. I fully expect at least two trades to be made. One acquiring Josh Smith, and the other acquiring more help on the wing.

To get Smith we likely give up Harris, Udoh, and Ersan

In the other trade I feel we will trade Udrih and possibly a draft pick.

My guess for our lineup when the deadline is over with.

Jennings/Redick
Ellis/Redick
Moute/Mike D
Smith/Henson
Sanders/Dalembert

Yes I do also feel this means we resign both Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith in the offseason, while trading Ellis via sign and trade for best available. We will let Mike D walk, as well as Dalembert, and add cheaper vets to replace them, as we are going to also save money for Sanders extension, which is looking more and more expensive the more he plays.


So Redick and Ellis walk, we overpay Jennings and Smith, using essentially all our cap. We trade the draft pick so we can't draft a wing. We have no real money to sign a wing. How is that team better than this years team again? It's nothing but a .500 team that is now locked in financially. Great defensively and horrendous offensively.



If you read my whole post, never said we let Redick walk, I said we will let 32yr old Mike D walk after this year, as well as Dalembert, and we will SIGN AND TRADE Ellis for best available. Signing Jennings to 10m per and Smith to 16m per is far from locking down your cap man. Next years cap is going to be between 60 and 62m, so we would have 34-36m to fill out the roster, (assuming we amnesty Gooden). Redick at 7m per for 3rs puts us at 33m, Moute, Henson, and Sanders combined are 10m, so thats 43m and 6 players. Lamb is under 1m, 44m. That is seven players under contract for 44m. Lets assume we hold another 5m to extend Sanders, you are then looking at 11m to fill out 2 rotation spots, and then 3-5 bench warmer spots, which is more then easy to do, rotation players are around 3m each, so 6m total, and 5 bench warmers (one being a 2nd rounder) are all under 1m each.

This means we can be under the cap and fill a complete rotation while locking up Smith and Jennings long term, and having money set aside for Sanders, not sure how that is a crippling move.
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Re: Predict what the Bucks ACTUALLY do at the trade deadline 

Post#180 » by jeremyd236 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:23 pm

Hammond is not dumb enough to have Jennings, Ellis, and Smith on the same team. I don't get why you guys continue to involve scenarios in which Jennings stays and is resigned for $10m/year, etc. He has to go, and I think it's Hammond's main priority.

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