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Post#261 » by El Duderino » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:50 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Houston got a recent top 5 pick for their Tobias Harris, we got JJ Redick. That is why we are still the Milwaukee Bucks.


Harris very well may end up becoming a player, but had we offered him for Robinson, the Kings hang up.

Obviously though Patterson was playing 25 minutes per game for other teams to evaluate while Harris has been glued to the bench.

I haven't been a fan of Hammond for awhile now, but we'll find out over the next year or two if all three of Skiles, Boylan, and now Hammond were wrong about Tobias and if so, to what degree.

When running a small market franchise like the Bucks and a decision is made to trade a 20 year old recent first round pick, management better be right.
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Post#262 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:02 am

sneakerdust wrote:Race is genetic based. Ethnicity is behavior based.


Well, there is a growing consensus that race is a social construct that has no consistently proven genetic brightline. It's simply a manner in which people are classified. That classification may be based on skin color, but relying on what people are perceived to be isn't a reliable arbiter of their genetic makeup. When anthropologists and other scientists compare the genetic makeups of people of different races, they find that the difference is so minimal that it's hard to find any scientific method of consistently distinguishing these groups. In essence, it's more about the way we group one another and talk about it, rather than having meaningful scientific distinction. Even many of those who argue there are some distinct genetic differences reinforce the notion that it's largely socially based, simply because of the changing definition of race throughout the last 300 years.

Ethnicity, on the other hand, is a multifaceted identity that's not simply based on behavior, but also appearance, national origin, language, clothing, food, religion, history, or other traditions.

But, as ttime1 mentioned, race and ethnicity are often treated as one in the same when it comes to stereotyping and discrimination, simply because people judge others based on how they appear, not on what's inside their heart.

Anyway, I'm out on this topic, too. It's been a distraction from the Bucks talk, though, which has some value. 8-)
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Post#263 » by Turk Nowitzki » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:06 am

What is happening in this thread?

*slowly backs away*
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Post#264 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:08 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:What is happening in this thread?

*slowly backs away*


Uh oh, someone is talking about racism, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY! :lol:

Actually, the convo looks like it's over and it was pretty respectful anyway. You don't need to hide.
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Post#265 » by Turk Nowitzki » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:10 am

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:What is happening in this thread?

*slowly backs away*


Uh oh, someone is talking about racism, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY! :lol:

Actually, the convo looks like it's over and it was pretty respectful anyway. You don't need to hide.

Sorry, I wasn't looking to participate in a sprawling conversation about the specifics of racism in a thread about J.J. Redick.
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Post#266 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:14 am

El Duderino wrote:Harris very well may end up becoming a player, but had we offered him for Robinson, the Kings hang up.

Nah, that's bull. It was a straight salary dump. They got 3 pieces that the have no care for at all. Problem is, year after year we go for guys like Redick instead of the Thomas Robinson's.
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Post#267 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:15 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
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Turk Nowitzki wrote:What is happening in this thread?

*slowly backs away*


Uh oh, someone is talking about racism, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY! :lol:

Actually, the convo looks like it's over and it was pretty respectful anyway. You don't need to hide.

Sorry, I wasn't looking to participate in a sprawling conversation about the specifics of racism in a thread about J.J. Redick.


And no one said you had to participate in that conversation. Everyone else was able to participate in the Redick conversation without acting aghast that there was a separate discussion going on.
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Post#268 » by ampd » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:17 am

humanrefutation wrote:
sneakerdust wrote:Race is genetic based. Ethnicity is behavior based.


Well, there is a growing consensus that race is a social construct


The original statement was an unfunny joke about a Mexican guy pushing a taco cart. The guy making the joke knew it would be interpreted as racist and cause offense, and made it anyway. The legitimacy of race as a biological classification is irrelevant. Its also unclear how anyone making that joke could expect it to be interpreted as somehow celebrating diversity or something analogous.

Making statements that you know will be interpreted as racist and cause offense in people who read them may or may not make you a racist but it does make you a douche. Trying to paint yourself as a counter culture hero bringing down the system by making a taco joke in poor taste about a Mexican NBA player in this forum is equally douchey.

But whatever, I don't really care. I'd rather remain united in our collective misery vis a vis our favorite basketball team.
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Post#269 » by Turk Nowitzki » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:20 am

humanrefutation wrote:And no one said you had to participate in that conversation. Everyone else was able to participate in the Redick conversation without acting aghast that there was a separate discussion going on.

Ooooooook then, carry on, as you were.
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Post#270 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:20 am

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humanrefutation wrote:
sneakerdust wrote:Race is genetic based. Ethnicity is behavior based.


Well, there is a growing consensus that race is a social construct


The original statement was an unfunny joke about a Mexican guy pushing a taco cart. The guy making the joke knew it would be interpreted as racist and cause offense, and made it anyway. The legitimacy of race as a biological classification is irrelevant. Its also unclear how anyone making that joke could expect it to be interpreted as somehow celebrating diversity or something analogous.

Making statements that you know will be interpreted as racist and cause offense in people who read them may or may not make you a racist but it does make you a douche. Trying to paint yourself as a counter culture hero bringing down the system by making a taco joke in poor taste about a Mexican NBA player in this forum is equally douchey.


Um, I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with me, because I definitely agree with you. That's what precipitated the whole discussion.
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Post#271 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:24 am

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paul wrote:4. Whoops, I already did 4
5. I wonder what the wife's making me for lunch, seriously could eat the crutch out of a low flying duck
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This board is about to get incredibly fun (as if today wasn't good enough). Should we include fun as part of the deal?

Lamb + Tobes + Udrih out
Redick + Ish + Ayon + RGM board fun in[/quote]

Well, now that fun is a factor, this might be a win.
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Post#272 » by mattg » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:26 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Houston got a recent top 5 pick for their Tobias Harris, we got JJ Redick. That is why we are still the Milwaukee Bucks.

To be fair, getting a top 5 pick and using it to select a Thomas Robinson type player is a Milwaukee bucks move. It's the type of pick that would let down this entire board, after yearning for the tank so much, to end up with Robinson would be just as depressing as the current situation.
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Post#273 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:27 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:Houston got a recent top 5 pick for their Tobias Harris, we got JJ Redick. That is why we are still the Milwaukee Bucks.

To be fair, getting a top 5 pick and using it to select a Thomas Robinson type player is a Milwaukee bucks move. It's the type of pick that would let down this entire board, after yearning for the tank so much, to end up with Robinson would be just as depressing as the current situation.


You don't think Thomas Robinson has big time potential?
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Post#274 » by ampd » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:27 am

humanrefutation wrote:I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with me, because I definitely agree with you. That's what precipitated the whole discussion.


Not arguing with you. I actually think this is a situation where someone was just not respectful enough of the context with which their comments would be interpreted as opposed to a case of actual bigotry.
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Post#275 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:36 am

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humanrefutation wrote:I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with me, because I definitely agree with you. That's what precipitated the whole discussion.


Not arguing with you. I actually think this is a situation where someone was just not respectful enough of the context with which their comments would be interpreted as opposed to a case of actual bigotry.


I agree. I don't think their was malicious intent, which is why I wasn't particularly angry or hurt by what was said. I was more disappointed, tbh.
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Post#276 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:44 am

Ayt wrote:I'm going to be pissed when Harris becomes a legitimate starter and very solid scorer within the next 2 years.


That's my fear.
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Post#277 » by RiotPunch » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:07 am

The constant, blatant reminders of this team's lack of direction is what has me pissed off more than ever. Prospects given for a guy we could have made a run at in the offseason.... sneaking into the playoffs is THAT important to our FO, that we are willing to give value (albeit not a ton) for a player that might better our chances to win an extra game or two in the next 30. And then walk. If Monta walks and JJ signs a reasonable deal, then I can get behind this one a bit more, but those are some pretty big if's.

Today didn't surprise me, it's just unfortunate that my team has to constantly make moves that thrust me further and further into a depressive, uninterested state.
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Post#278 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:39 am

mattg wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Houston got a recent top 5 pick for their Tobias Harris, we got JJ Redick. That is why we are still the Milwaukee Bucks.

To be fair, getting a top 5 pick and using it to select a Thomas Robinson type player is a Milwaukee bucks move. It's the type of pick that would let down this entire board, after yearning for the tank so much, to end up with Robinson would be just as depressing as the current situation.

Thomas Robinson was a clear cut top 5 player in the draft. He hasn't shown well in Sacramento, but then again nobody has the past couple seasons. Maybe he flops, but he gives you more of a chance at being relevant then trading for a 28 year old Redick.
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Post#279 » by Istanbullus » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:10 am

Maybe Hammond was impressed by Monte's defense on Redick in Milwaukee (as much as Pashke) and wanted Monte to have someone to shut down in practice. Seriously, Pashke made Redick out to be a superstar that game.

Very curious about the rotation. We all know Monte would be much better off the bench. Keep him in when he's hot, pull when he's cold and when there's two minutes left. If he pouts, as somebody said, "Gooden him."
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Post#280 » by mattg » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:33 am

humanrefutation wrote:
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Baddy Chuck wrote:Houston got a recent top 5 pick for their Tobias Harris, we got JJ Redick. That is why we are still the Milwaukee Bucks.

To be fair, getting a top 5 pick and using it to select a Thomas Robinson type player is a Milwaukee bucks move. It's the type of pick that would let down this entire board, after yearning for the tank so much, to end up with Robinson would be just as depressing as the current situation.


You don't think Thomas Robinson has big time potential?

Not really. Lets put it this way, I was never very high on Tobias, and I still wouldn't have traded him for Robinson.

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