Nivek wrote:Webster is likely better than Childress. Bibby was pretty good, but he's washed up.
Still worth a shot no doubt. I mean how worst can we get?.
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Nivek wrote:Webster is likely better than Childress. Bibby was pretty good, but he's washed up.
closg00 wrote:Paging Kevin, is Daequan Cook better than Cartier Martin?
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Season MP FGA 3PA TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS TS% ORtg PER
2007-08 1441 12.8 5.9 4.4 1.9 0.6 0.2 1.6 12.9 .480 93 7.9
2008-09 1833 12.7 7.8 3.7 1.4 0.8 0.2 0.8 13.5 .512 104 10.3
2009-10 691 13.2 6.6 4.3 2.2 0.7 0.5 1.3 11.6 .422 90 7.5
2010-11 598 10.9 9.3 4.3 1.2 0.8 0.1 1.0 14.4 .630 122 12.8
2011-12 989 10.8 8.3 4.4 0.5 0.8 0.4 0.6 11.3 .509 106 9.2
2012-13 165 12.9 6.5 3.9 2.2 1.3 0.4 1.3 12.0 .456 95 8.9
jivelikenice wrote:Ok, if these cap savings do go towards using the MLE, who's out there? Any stretch 4s on the market this offseason?
Aaron Brooks will sign with the Houston Rockets assuming he clears waivers as expected, according to sources.
Brooks will be eligible for the postseason.
Brooks signed a two-year, $6.6 million deal with the Kings last offseason.
Brooks was previously a member of the Rockets before a 2011 trade sent him to the Phoenix Suns for Goran Dragic.
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Ok so I posted in the trade thread the idea of Ariza opting out. I am starting to think it may be likely.
If he does opt out and departs via free agency, what would that do for our cap room and ability to sign FA including Webster and Price, both of whom I'd like to keep? Also figuring a high 1st round pick and 2nd...
I'm looking a scenario like this...
Draft Porter at something like #5, and Withey at 35. Keep Webster and Price.
Okafor, Seraphin, Withey
Nene, Booker, Singleton
Porter, Webster
Beal, Temple
Wall, Price
What kind of room would we have to add to this? Is waiving Vesely an option, and if so would that provide any kind of benefit? Also I'd be interested in extending Okafor beyond next year. Could we sign him on say a 4yr contract (3 yr extension) and restructure next year's salary to open some more room?
Any capologists out there?
rockymac52 wrote:SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Ok so I posted in the trade thread the idea of Ariza opting out. I am starting to think it may be likely.
If he does opt out and departs via free agency, what would that do for our cap room and ability to sign FA including Webster and Price, both of whom I'd like to keep? Also figuring a high 1st round pick and 2nd...
I'm looking a scenario like this...
Draft Porter at something like #5, and Withey at 35. Keep Webster and Price.
Okafor, Seraphin, Withey
Nene, Booker, Singleton
Porter, Webster
Beal, Temple
Wall, Price
What kind of room would we have to add to this? Is waiving Vesely an option, and if so would that provide any kind of benefit? Also I'd be interested in extending Okafor beyond next year. Could we sign him on say a 4yr contract (3 yr extension) and restructure next year's salary to open some more room?
Any capologists out there?
1. Even if we extend Okafor we will not be able to alter his cap figure for next year, unfortunately. Unless he opts out of his contract by using his ETO, but there is just no way he does that, because he'd be leaving the $14.5 million he's due to make next season on the table.
2. We can choose to not exercise Vesely's team option next October, but that's only for the year afterwards (2014-15 season), so unfortunately we're stuck with him on our roster next season (we could cut him and still pay him, but that's not going to happen and would be a poor choice on our part).
3. If Ariza leaves, we'd be sitting at $49.35 million for Okafor, Nene, Wall, Beal, Vesely, Seraphin, Singleton, and Booker (8 players). The #5 pick would cost about $3.4 million next season, and the #35 pick would cost around $600K (less certainty with 2nd round picks, could be $200K more or less I believe). So add the rookies in and we're now at $53.35 million for 10 players. We could bring back Price for the vet minimum again I'm sure, at $850K, so then we'd be up to $54.2 million for 11 players. I'm not sure exactly what it would take to bring back Webster, but I'd guess it's around $3-4 million per year, so for rounding purposes, let's go with $3.8 in year one. So now we're at $58 million for 12 players. Unfortunately, $58 million also happens to be the salary cap at the moment (possibly going up $1-2 million, but not enough to matter).
So I guess if all of that happened, we would still have our MLE available, so we could sign a free agent for around $5-6 million per year for 3 or 4 years. Could theoretically get a decent contributor with that salary, but I wouldn't hold your breath. We could probably spend that on a quality PG or SG, or preferably, a combo guard (and then maybe just not bring back Price at all) to come off the bench. Off the top of my head, maybe Jarret Jack, Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, Mo Williams, Nick Young (probablyyyyy not gonna happen, but he fits the bill).
Just curious, what makes you think Ariza is going to opt out?
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:rockymac52 wrote:SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Ok so I posted in the trade thread the idea of Ariza opting out. I am starting to think it may be likely.
If he does opt out and departs via free agency, what would that do for our cap room and ability to sign FA including Webster and Price, both of whom I'd like to keep? Also figuring a high 1st round pick and 2nd...
I'm looking a scenario like this...
Draft Porter at something like #5, and Withey at 35. Keep Webster and Price.
Okafor, Seraphin, Withey
Nene, Booker, Singleton
Porter, Webster
Beal, Temple
Wall, Price
What kind of room would we have to add to this? Is waiving Vesely an option, and if so would that provide any kind of benefit? Also I'd be interested in extending Okafor beyond next year. Could we sign him on say a 4yr contract (3 yr extension) and restructure next year's salary to open some more room?
Any capologists out there?
1. Even if we extend Okafor we will not be able to alter his cap figure for next year, unfortunately. Unless he opts out of his contract by using his ETO, but there is just no way he does that, because he'd be leaving the $14.5 million he's due to make next season on the table.
2. We can choose to not exercise Vesely's team option next October, but that's only for the year afterwards (2014-15 season), so unfortunately we're stuck with him on our roster next season (we could cut him and still pay him, but that's not going to happen and would be a poor choice on our part).
3. If Ariza leaves, we'd be sitting at $49.35 million for Okafor, Nene, Wall, Beal, Vesely, Seraphin, Singleton, and Booker (8 players). The #5 pick would cost about $3.4 million next season, and the #35 pick would cost around $600K (less certainty with 2nd round picks, could be $200K more or less I believe). So add the rookies in and we're now at $53.35 million for 10 players. We could bring back Price for the vet minimum again I'm sure, at $850K, so then we'd be up to $54.2 million for 11 players. I'm not sure exactly what it would take to bring back Webster, but I'd guess it's around $3-4 million per year, so for rounding purposes, let's go with $3.8 in year one. So now we're at $58 million for 12 players. Unfortunately, $58 million also happens to be the salary cap at the moment (possibly going up $1-2 million, but not enough to matter).
So I guess if all of that happened, we would still have our MLE available, so we could sign a free agent for around $5-6 million per year for 3 or 4 years. Could theoretically get a decent contributor with that salary, but I wouldn't hold your breath. We could probably spend that on a quality PG or SG, or preferably, a combo guard (and then maybe just not bring back Price at all) to come off the bench. Off the top of my head, maybe Jarret Jack, Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, Mo Williams, Nick Young (probablyyyyy not gonna happen, but he fits the bill).
Just curious, what makes you think Ariza is going to opt out?
Thanks Rock, great info!
Well, as far as Ariza, looking at salaries around the league Ariza doesn't really seem overpaid IMO looking at comparable players. If he stays he's on a 1 yr deal. What if he gets seriously hurt, his long term security is jeopardized. Also, the Wizards already tried to trade him. If he stays, he very possibly will get dealt, and with no control over the situation possibly to a place he really doesn't want to go. Especially if the Wizards draft a SF like Porter.
Just seems to me, not that he's having a good year, but he's healthy and playing well, still in his prime. He should be able to sign a long term deal as a free agent that would secure his future in a place of his choosing with minimal negative impact on his salary next year.
But if I'm wrong, looking at what you got... seems if he stays we got zero to work with. Looks like keeping Webster would be very unlikely.