Battle of the New York Teams

[nykgeneralmanager]

I would take Wright over ARod as my 3rd baseman because in my eyes ARod will always be a SS.

I'm sorry but that's a terrible justification, ARod is a 3B for the Yankees, and the discussion is whether or not people would prefer the Mets' 3B or the Yankees 3B.

And if you truly believe that, then change ur SS from Reyes to ARod, unless you are now going to come up with some ridiculous fact that speed means more than ARod's 24 homers and 63 RBI through 61 games.



Matsui played CF in Japan for years, so I think I'm going to consider him a CF and take him over Beltran. And Mo came up as a SP, so he is the best starter between both teams, right?

[bigboy1234]

You would take Matsui over Beltran.
Just messing with you, I get what you mean.

[nykgeneralmanager]

You would take Matsui over Beltran.
Just messing with you, I get what you mean.

Sarcasm

[randomhero423]

i didn't say posada was garbage. i just think he's overrated. he's very solid but he's not a HOF/great player like some NYY fans make him sound like.

[34Celtic]

I would take Wright over ARod as my 3rd baseman because in my eyes ARod will always be a SS.

So will you always view Craig Biggio as a catcher? Posada came up as a shortstop....lol

[34Celtic]

i didn't say posada was garbage. i just think he's overrated. he's very solid but he's not a HOF/great player like some NYY fans make him sound like.

No one here said he was a hall of famer. Sorry. But over the last 7 or 8 years he's been one of the most consistent catchers in the majors. Yes 7 or 8 complete years...him and Pudge...all appologies to Mike Piazza

[cmaff051]

i didn't say posada was garbage. i just think he's overrated. he's very solid but he's not a HOF/great player like some NYY fans make him sound like.

Find me a CATCHER who has been consistently as productive offensively as Posada has over the last 7-8 years. That's why he is great. Paul Lo Duca is good. Jorge Posada is great.

[Basketball Jesus]

I’ve never said this about any Yankee and I doubt I ever will again but, outside of NY, Posada’s pretty damn underrated. He’s probably one of the top-5 offensive catchers in MLB history. Better than Bench, Fisk, Freehan, Gary Carter and pretty much almost all HoF catchers. He’s somewhat on par with Berra and not as good as Piazza. In fact, if his defense wasn’t so mediocre, he’d probably be labeled one of the all-time greats already.

[ReggieFULLeffect]

i didn't say posada was garbage. i just think he's overrated. he's very solid but he's not a HOF/great player like some NYY fans make him sound like.

He's not overrated. Players should be judged by their peers and since Posada has been a starting catcher in this league he has been top 2 or 3 each year all around. No one is overrating him because he has been setting the world on fire with his bat -- he's obviously overacheiving a bit right now but he brings a lot more to this team then people realize. Also, if he goes down -- Wil Nieves is our C. Think about that for a moment folks. Even if they bring in someone else available how would they replace Posada. He's such a key to this team.

[nykgeneralmanager]

I’ve never said this about any Yankee and I doubt I ever will again but, outside of NY, Posada’s pretty damn underrated. He’s probably one of the top-5 offensive catchers in MLB history. Better than Bench, Fisk, Freehan, Gary Carter and pretty much almost all HoF catchers. He’s somewhat on par with Berra and not as good as Piazza. In fact, if his defense wasn’t so mediocre, he’d probably be labeled one of the all-time greats already.

Without a doubt. Considering there is nothing flashy about his game, he was always the last Yankee to get any recognition, in fact that only recognition he ever gets is that he is a "True Yankee" whatever that means.

There have been a good 3-4 years, and I mean this, where Posada may have done more for the Yankees than Jeter. He has been that valuable, and it wasn't until 2003 that he finally got some recognition for it when he almost won the MVP.

[Basketball Jesus]

Nerd alert: WARP3* comparison ahead


Derek Jeter:

2000: 7.4
2001: 7.2
2002: 6.5
2003: 4.7
2004: 8.2
2005: 11.8
2006: 12.0
2007: 9.3



Jorge Posada:

2000: 10.5
2001: 7.0
2002: 8.4
2003: 10.1
2004: 8.1
2005: 6.2
2006: 8.8
2007: 7.6

*WARP3 factors in defense, which slightly inflates Jeter’s value due to him playing a more important defensive position, albeit as mediocre as Posada plays his.

You’re right about Posada being right there with Jeter. It’s pretty damn close. Still, I’d rather have a catcher that puts up those kinds of totals over a SS.

[nykgeneralmanager]

Nerd alert: WARP3* comparison ahead


Derek Jeter:

2000: 7.4
2001: 7.2
2002: 6.5
2003: 4.7
2004: 8.2
2005: 11.8
2006: 12.0
2007: 9.3



Jorge Posada:

2000: 10.5
2001: 7.0
2002: 8.4
2003: 10.1
2004: 8.1
2005: 6.2
2006: 8.8
2007: 7.6

*WARP3 factors in defense, which slightly inflates Jeter’s value due to him playing a more important defensive position, albeit as mediocre as Posada plays his.

You’re right about Posada being right there with Jeter. It’s pretty damn close. Still, I’d rather have a catcher that puts up those kinds of totals over a SS.

Where Jeter separates himself from Posada and most other people is in the postseason, he is more reliable in a big spot whether it be in the box, in the field, or on the basepaths. But in terms fo the regular season, Jeter had a few "down" years (for him) after the 2001 WS, around the time he dislocated his shoulder in Toronto. And in that 3 years period or so, Posada was the most valuable Yankee. Nobody wants to admit it though.

[cmaff051]

Posada, in my opinion, is well on his way to getting his number retired in monument park. If he can give us 2-3 more years of above average offensive production, I see no reason why he shouldn't be in Monument Park.

[34Celtic]

Jesus is here using his stats again, this is where I turn my head.

[Basketball Jesus]

Good; keep it turned.