Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[letsgosuns]

I would rather give Bledsoe a max deal than take the garbage trade proposals that some teams are offering. If the Bucks want him, give the Suns Jabari Parker. If the Wolves want him, give the Suns Andrew Wiggins. I mean seriously, why the hell would the Suns throw away a player like Bledsoe for random players? Him and Dragic together were when the Suns were really good. Not Dragic and Green or Bledsoe and Green, they were only a very good team consistently when Dragic and Bledsoe played together. I would prefer the Suns at least keep him right now and have a ton of assets available later on to use in a trade. Unless the Suns can get back huge talent for him, just keep him. No reason to give him up for mediocre players with bad contracts.

[NotTraxxe]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

[DRK]

No, the only thing that is stopping those teams giving him a max is the teams themselves.

Why say you want to pay the max, when you dont have the cap space to do so? Money talks. That's just like me saying I would buy a Bentley tomorrow, even though I'm a piss-poor uni student.

Talk is talk until the offer sheet is on the table. Those teams are just bluffing.

[lilfishi22]

We're not using the RFA against him....at all. He's using it against himself by pushing himself out of the price point for many team willing to pay him a lot of money (not max money, but still a lot of money). Completely idiotic.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

I can see things from Bledsoe's perspective. He believes if he wasn't an RFA, he would have a max-contract on a team that fully values him right now, instead of a team trying to underpay him and sign lesser players (Thomas, Zoran, Jackson) to spite him.

[JJ13]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

I can see things from Bledsoe's perspective. He believes if he wasn't an RFA, he would have a max-contract on a team that fully values him right now, instead of a team trying to underpay him and sign lesser players (Thomas, Zoran, Jackson) to spite him.

But...he is a RFA

[RunDogGun]

We're not using the RFA against him....at all. He's using it against himself by pushing himself out of the price point for many team willing to pay him a lot of money (not max money, but still a lot of money). Completely idiotic.

Exactly, we need to stop saying we are using something against him. He is restricted, and not by us, but by the CBA. If he doesn't like being a RFA, he has an out, which is the QO. Those are the rules.

His market value is what it is, and no team can offer him a max contract except us and Philly. If he is butthurt about that, he is even a bigger idiot than I thought. if his agent wasn't so concerned with LBJ, then maybe other teams could have offered him the max.

I like how the two teams that want to give him the max, don't want to give up any assets to get it done. Clearly he isn't even worth it for those two teams.

This victim crap is beyond old.

[RunDogGun]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

I can see things from Bledsoe's perspective. He believes if he wasn't an RFA, he would have a max-contract on a team that fully values him right now, instead of a team trying to underpay him and sign lesser players (Thomas, Zoran, Jackson) to spite him.

What the heck are you talking about? I think you may have a drinking problem.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

I can see things from Bledsoe's perspective. He believes if he wasn't an RFA, he would have a max-contract on a team that fully values him right now, instead of a team trying to underpay him and sign lesser players (Thomas, Zoran, Jackson) to spite him.

But...he is a RFA

Yes, he should be mad at the system, but I can see his beef with the Suns, which IMO is beyond repair.

[Jdiddy701]

Even if he was UFA, he would still be in the same boat with the two teams. He has no reason to blame Phoenix.

If a team values him as a max, they will get him. So far no one has.. Period

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[SunsFanSSOL]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

I can see things from Bledsoe's perspective. He believes if he wasn't an RFA, he would have a max-contract on a team that fully values him right now, instead of a team trying to underpay him and sign lesser players (Thomas, Zoran, Jackson) to spite him.

What the heck are you talking about? I think you may have a drinking problem.

Nope, just tired of the Suns same old BS of letting players go because they're "too much." Bledsoe is the best player we're going to get at $16m/yr so might as well pay him instead of being set back for years. Successful franchises keep their FA's, no matter the cost. If 2 teams are willing to pay him the max, then obviously the market has deemed he is worth the max and while he may not get it this year, next year when he is unrestricted he definitely will.

[JDLAW]

Bledsoe has two teams willing to pay him the max. They just are not willing to pay him the max AND give up assets. That's the rub. I've been preaching this for a while now.

He can get a max contract. The only thing stopping him is Phoenix.

That's why he is butthurt. We are using RFA against him and then saying his market value isn't a max when two teams will pay him the max.

He's got a legit beef. It's just the rules, man.

They have options - clear the cap space to extend the offer sheet. Oh! But that requires giving up assets to have some teams take on the crap these teams need to clear off the roster. There was a point where Milwaukee had only to move a moderate amount of salary - Ilysova to clear the cap space. They could have attached a 1st round pick to his behind and shipped him off to Phila or some other team who would take him on for another 1st. They did not do it because they did not value Bledsoe enough to take the chance that they would make the offer and the Suns would match. Minnesota could never do it easily, but if they value him so highly, then give up value for him. It is easy to talk about wanting to give him a max contract, it is another thing to actually do it.

That said I have always been of the position that if we were placed in the position that we would have matched a max deal from another team, we should be willing to pay him that amount, but nothing more. He would not have a complaint. About 15 page ago, I floated this idea out there and it was almost unanimously shot down. I do believe the Suns should simply make him a 4yr and $64 offer, which is the most he could have gotten on the open market. You put him in a world of hurt because he will never make up the lost money if he signs the QO. Give him 48 hours to accept and if he does not, withdraw the offer. You lose nothing. If he signs, sign Dragic in the off-season along with Green and the Twins. Sort it out later, but do not take the crap the dregs of the league are offering in a sign and trade.

[lilfishi22]

I can see things from Bledsoe's perspective. He believes if he wasn't an RFA, he would have a max-contract on a team that fully values him right now, instead of a team trying to underpay him and sign lesser players (Thomas, Zoran, Jackson) to spite him.

There is no spite in those signings. They are legit help to the Suns and he'll be glad if he is still part of the team that he doesn't have the run his knees down 40mpg because we now have IT to relieve him.

[RunDogGun]

No, you made up a false situation for Bledsoe, and then agreed with it. That sounds crazy to me.

We didn't sign players out of spite. We signed players in case the Bledsoe situation caused him to not sign in time for the season. McD knew that Bledsoe's camp has yet to even come to the negotiation table. There is nothing more for them to do. They tendered the QO, they offered a fair contract for a guy that has yet to start for more than half a season.

There is nothing to blame on the Suns here, even Sarver has said he is willing to negotiate, and at every turn, the team has said they want Bledsoe here, and think he is an important piece. There is no need to overpay him, and no need to move from our offer until Bledsoe's camp comes to the table. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

[JJ13]

So Suns can take their chance with an injury prone EB on the QO for $3m next year, and worst case scenario lose him for nothing and have a boat load of money to reup Morri and Goran and sign (healthy) stars who want to be in PHX in '15 and beyond with new CBA? Ok fine.

Otherwise, wait out EB at $12m / year

[lilfishi22]

That said I have always been of the position that if we were placed in the position that we would have matched a max deal from another team, we should be willing to pay him that amount, but nothing more. He would not have a complaint. About 15 page ago, I floated this idea out there and it was almost unanimously shot down. I do believe the Suns should simply make him a 4yr and $64 offer, which is the most he could have gotten on the open market. You put him in a world of hurt because he will never make up the lost money if he signs the QO. Give him 48 hours to accept and if he does not, withdraw the offer. You lose nothing. If he signs, sign Dragic in the off-season along with Green and the Twins. Sort it out later, but do not take the crap the dregs of the league are offering in a sign and trade.

The issue with the 64/4 offer is there is no negotiation involved. We very well may be in favor of reaching an agreement at 64/4 but the guy won't even come to the table to discuss and show why he's worth it. There's no reason why we should give him a max deal with no negotiation when no team is willing to man up with an offer, unless of course the teams are not tied to any sort of CBA guidelines and could offer max deals above the hard cap.

[lilfishi22]

Nope, just tired of the Suns same old BS of letting players go because they're "too much." Bledsoe is the best player we're going to get at $16m/yr so might as well pay him instead of being set back for years. Successful franchises keep their FA's, no matter the cost. If 2 teams are willing to pay him the max, then obviously the market has deemed he is worth the max and while he may not get it this year, next year when he is unrestricted he definitely will.

We're willing to pay KD the max too but that doesn't mean we have the ability to or have the assets to make a deal happen either.

Action speak louder than words. Thus far, no team who have/or had the ability to offer max had made any moves to allow them to make that offer.

[RunDogGun]

Nope, just tired of the Suns same old BS of letting players go because they're "too much." Bledsoe is the best player we're going to get at $16m/yr so might as well pay him instead of being set back for years. Successful franchises keep their FA's, no matter the cost. If 2 teams are willing to pay him the max, then obviously the market has deemed he is worth the max and while he may not get it this year, next year when he is unrestricted he definitely will.

We're willing to pay KD the max too but that doesn't mean we have the ability to or have the assets to make a deal happen either.

Action speak louder than words. Thus far, no team who have/or had the ability to offer max had made any moves to allow them to make that offer.

I am wondering if that is too logical for some?

[AtheJ415]

Nope, just tired of the Suns same old BS of letting players go because they're "too much." Bledsoe is the best player we're going to get at $16m/yr so might as well pay him instead of being set back for years. Successful franchises keep their FA's, no matter the cost. If 2 teams are willing to pay him the max, then obviously the market has deemed he is worth the max and while he may not get it this year, next year when he is unrestricted he definitely will.

We're willing to pay KD the max too but that doesn't mean we have the ability to or have the assets to make a deal happen either.

Action speak louder than words. Thus far, no team who have/or had the ability to offer max had made any moves to allow them to make that offer.

I am wondering if that is too logical for some?

Exactly. This is the most recent stunt by Paul and co and it's meaningless. I'm interested in offering Giselle $500 billion to marry me. Unfortunately, I don't have $500 billion, and Tom Brady would have a say in that, so I'm out of luck. That a team with less than $2 mill in cap space would accept a sign and trade in which they unloaded all their crap contracts for a near all star isn't news, and quite frankly shouldn't impact our negotiation with Bledsoe at all. He's not getting a max because nobody who had that room offered it to him, and now nobody has that cap space.

[BurningHeart]

*** is in a union then bitches about union provisions harming him. Typical.