Game #9: Los Angeles Clippers vs. Chicago Bulls

[Roscoe Sheed]

If they don't clean up their act on the next road trip Doc needs to explore some trades because this roster looks flawed. They need an upgrade at the wing in the worst way.

[MartinToVaught]

you're a whiner.

****'s annoying. period.

Well there is a lot to whine about, honestly.

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fine...then whine properly. do it constructively.

when he sits up here and say bull like:
- CP's lost all his athleticism
- Speculation about Blake's back and passing it off as fact.
- CP shouldn't have signed a max deal.

basically just throwing darts at a board for **** to be mad about after a loss, there's no meaningful conversation. We get nothing from it as a forum. I roll my eyes and OG, plays the role of OG and tries to make sense out of the bull whining.

main thing about whiners. they'll cry about some **** they know that can't be immediately solved. That way they can highjack the space/dialogue/forum any time they see fit....anybody ever had a girlfriend....like ever? you know what i mean.


next game thread where we lose....it'll be the same song.
oh CP shouldn't have signed a max deal.
he shouldn't have put little Chris in private school.
Blake shoulda kept his home in the Marina and not moved to Brentwood.
and ZZZZZzzzz

Only whining I'm seeing is from you. This team has severe problems, and I'm just not the type of person who blows sunshine up people's ass. Never have been, never will be.

[Quake Griffin]

Note to Doc: Don't be so quick to give away our draft picks because you never know who may fall into your lap.

Exhibit A: Jimmy Butler was taken 30th overall with the last pick in the first round of the 2011 NBA Draft.

It wouldn't have been out of the question for the Clippers to have packaged both their second-rounders (37th and 47th overall) for a really late first-round selection with, say, the Spurs for the 29th overall pick that year.

By the way, the Clips took Trey Thompkins with #37 and Travis Leslie with #47.

Exhibit B: Chandler Parsons went immediately after Thompkins at 38th overall.

What the eff was Neil Olshey thinking that year?!

Granted Doc was not involved with those picks, but he hasn't shown himself adept in selecting the right players or even inclined towards developing them so far. Even still, draft picks can be cost-effective and valuable opportunities to fill holes on a roster in the hands of a competent personnel manager.

everybody had to be smoking something that draft....prolly sherm tbh.

Parsons OBVIOUSLY shouldn't have been drafted that late.
hate that we missed him there....but everybody missed the boat.


well...except the rockets....he got like the most lucrative deal a 2nd rounder could get.
every year was like 900k.

[Quake Griffin]

Well there is a lot to whine about, honestly.

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fine...then whine properly. do it constructively.

when he sits up here and say bull like:
- CP's lost all his athleticism
- Speculation about Blake's back and passing it off as fact.
- CP shouldn't have signed a max deal.

basically just throwing darts at a board for **** to be mad about after a loss, there's no meaningful conversation. We get nothing from it as a forum. I roll my eyes and OG, plays the role of OG and tries to make sense out of the bull whining.

main thing about whiners. they'll cry about some **** they know that can't be immediately solved. That way they can highjack the space/dialogue/forum any time they see fit....anybody ever had a girlfriend....like ever? you know what i mean.


next game thread where we lose....it'll be the same song.
oh CP shouldn't have signed a max deal.
he shouldn't have put little Chris in private school.
Blake shoulda kept his home in the Marina and not moved to Brentwood.
and ZZZZZzzzz

Only whining I'm seeing is from you. This team has severe problems, and I'm just not the type of person who blows sunshine up people's ass. Never have been, never will be.

what exactly do you have to blow up someone's ass? since you don't blow sunshine up there.

[kylem4711]

I was so god damn hopeful at the beginning of the season. The only lie I can still tell myself is that they are saving themselves for the playoffs... ha


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[MartinToVaught]

I was so god damn hopeful at the beginning of the season. The only lie I can still tell myself is that they are saving themselves for the playoffs... ha


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I just hope we make the playoffs so we're not handing the Celtics a lottery pick. Hey, at least we have our pick next year. #TankForJaylenBrown

[mttwlsn16]

Boooooooooo

[Lindecision]

If they don't clean up their act on the next road trip Doc needs to explore some trades because this roster looks flawed. They need an upgrade at the wing in the worst way.

I don't see how our performance on the next road trip will change anything. We will have our bounce back games, but its like whatever you know. The roster is still flawed and will inevitably head for a 1st round exit.

I would get Toronto on the phone to try and get a 1st round pick for JJ Redick. T Ross is young and inconsistent. DeRozan can play as a SF for stretches. They could really use that extra shooting. Send that 1st round pick with Barnes and Fields to Boston for Jeff Green.

[Ranma]

If they don't clean up their act on the next road trip Doc needs to explore some trades because this roster looks flawed. They need an upgrade at the wing in the worst way.

I'm all for that, but I'm honestly afraid of what Doc the GM will do. I'm not at all confident in his judgment in that respect given his track record in what he got in return for Bledsoe and his tendency to readily give away draft picks.

everybody had to be smoking something that draft....prolly sherm tbh.

Parsons OBVIOUSLY shouldn't have been drafted that late.
hate that we missed him there....but everybody missed the boat.


well...except the rockets....he got like the most lucrative deal a 2nd rounder could get.
every year was like 900k.

Yes, I understand hindsight is 20-20 but the point I'm making is that the draft is not that bad of a crapshoot and a big part of successful drafting is the development of draftees. Doc's handling of both Bullock and Wilcox seems to indicate that he's not as inclined to develop young players like a Stan Van Gundy or Gregg Popovich would be.

To illustrate my first point, look at some finds made in the mid-to-late first round in recent draft years:

2011
15th - Kawhi Leonard
16th - Nikola Vujecic
17th - Iman Shumpert
19th - Tobias Harris
22nd - Kenneth Faried
23rd - Nikola Mirotic
24th - Reggie Jackson
30th - Jimmy Butler

2012
15th - Moe Harkless
18th - Terrence Jones
19th - Andrew Nicholson
20th - Evan Fournier
21st - Jared Sullinger
25th - Tony Wroten
26th - Miles Plumlee
28th - Perry Jones

2013
15th - Giannis Adektokoubo
17th - Dennis Schroeder
23rd - Solomon Hill
24th - Tim Hardaway Jr.
25th - Reggie Bullock

I didn't include the 2014 class to give it at least some developmental time, but looking at the lists above, there seems to be plenty of opportunities and it hasn't taken long for plenty of contributors to already show themselves. The jury is still out on Bullock but that has to do with his lack of playing time thus far. The Clippers could use pretty much any one of the listed players above on their roster--assuming, of course--Doc would be willing to play and/or develop them. Bottom line: giving away draft picks to plug holes with disappointing trades and not developing the picks made only compounds the roster problem, especially given our salary cap situation.


p.s. Jimmy Butler was a player I really wanted on the team because a lot of evaluators loved how hard he worked. While his upside may have been thought to be limited, there was little question that he would be an immediate contributor to an NBA ballclub. It was no surprise that the Bulls were the team to draft him since Butler's scouting report reminded me a lot of Ron Artest's--whom the Bulls also drafted--in terms of being a hard-nosed, gutsy player who was dedicated to the game.

[Raptors_Fanatic]

No way the Raptors trade 1st for Redick


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[Raptors_Fanatic]

Jeff Green would be perfect for the Clippers though


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[TucsonClip]

I have never been convinced that Doc the GM was any better than average at best. Its hard to keep a long term outlook, while planning for the future, when you invest all your energy into the day-to-day and game-to-game results.

Having watched Wilcox for 4 years, I was wondering why he was the selection unless we had a trade up our sleeves. Even still, Rivers has not shown that he is willing to give minutes to develop young players at an area of need.

[Lindecision]

No way the Raptors trade 1st for Redick


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If all they're giving up is an expiring, I think they do.

[LACtdom]

A trade won't solve our problem, it's clearly our offensive and defensive strategies. we have a mediocre game plan.

[QRich3]

I'm starting to f*cking hate basketball

Wouldn't be worried about our record so far if things looked solvable, but I'm starting to worry about roster fit problems that we always thought were no problem because of how talented our top players are. Our wings are so bad that defenses completely ignore them, even JJ now, so they can focus on collapsing on Blake every time he has the ball. And he can't even go inside as you lot want him to, cause he'll run into DJ's man who's parked in the paint eager to double off him. Then guys will complain that Blake is getting jump-shot happy without even paying attention to the three man about to crash into him if he does anything different than that.

Other than that, we still can't play any defense, as soon as a team knows how to pass and how to get into 2nd options when our defense negates the first play, our guys have the attention span of a goldfish and will miss rotations every freakin time.

I was the first guy to preach patience, but I'm starting to think we need a major roster shake up, and we don't even have the executives capable of doing something like that properly.

Like Sofia said, I'm getting more frustrated watching this season than I've been in any of our 30 win seasons.

[TheNewEra]

Team has given up.

[nickhx2]

i will say that the only negative i saw with ballmer's acquisition of the clippers was him instantly extending doc, who thus far, has proven himself to be lacking in his managerial capabilities.

i'd love to say i have confidence in being able to build around our 2 superstars + DJ with nothing but a cat and a ham sandwich, but that's only something i would have said about last year's blake.

since this year's blake has brought back all his old 4th quarter tendencies and is actually playing like a certain kind of cat, i'm actually pretty worried.

[Indomitable]

Your announcers are excellent. They do a good job with the analysis and are not silly homers.

[og15]

Team has given up.

I don't think so, they are just sucking.

Your announcers are excellent. They do a good job with the analysis and are not silly homers.

You don't hear that often

[MartinToVaught]

Your announcers are excellent. They do a good job with the analysis and are not silly homers.

Mike Smith is a pretty big homer, TBH.