Game 15: Phoenix Suns (9-5) @ Toronto Raptors (11-2)

[SunsRback4Good]

They are so confident in their team saying its over before the game even started. Posting crap on our board because their the Raptors and they can do whatever the fk they want, huh? And when you go on their board and wish them good luck and how raptors are amazing this season they throw it back into your face humiliating you like you're the bad guy. Fk em, glad this game is over and we can move on to other once without them infecting our board.

[Puff]

"Goran played 21 minutes tonight and just made a quiiiiick exit without speaking to reporters."

Some CBS writer tweeted that. I think he's trying to make more out of it than what it is.


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Goran's body language is horrible at this point and if his attitude does not change soon I can see Ryan finding a new home for him prior to the trade deadline.

I doubt either Bledsoe or Thomas are going anywhere. This is after I suggested that we should move Thomas last week.

How do you feel about giving Goran a long term deal at this point? I would rather get something for him rather than seeing him walk for nothing this summer.

I think a better use of the money probably needed to keep Goran around would be put to better use to sign Green and another big man, that can rebound and play defense.

[gaspar]

Its not about figuring it out, we just don't have the talent to beats teams who have half decent big men.

Its like me giving you a 1 dollar bill and expecting you to turn into a 100 dollar bill magically. Its not gonna happen.

Refs were bad but refs will ALWAYS award aggressive teams with big men who go inside and pound inside than jump shooting teams and tiny guards who like to drive. Lakers with Shaq won the FTs stat EVERY game because of this.

Well I agree...we are not ready to contend, but our frontcourt is young and I still have hopes for Kieff and Len. Kieff is pretty solid and Len is getting there.

Yeah, people forget how rare it is to win with a young frontcourt as ours. Here's a list of big men on rookie contracts starting on teams with a winning record this year: Markieff, Plumlee, Valanciunas, Motiejunas/Jones and Davis.

[Qwigglez]

I like this Raptors team, they are built like us, except with more cohesion and chemistry. I think Len can be our anchor like Jonas.

[Qwigglez]

"Goran played 21 minutes tonight and just made a quiiiiick exit without speaking to reporters."

Some CBS writer tweeted that. I think he's trying to make more out of it than what it is.


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Goran's body language is horrible at this point and if his attitude does not change soon I can see Ryan finding a new home for him prior to the trade deadline.

I doubt either Bledsoe or Thomas are going anywhere. This is after I suggested that we should move Thomas last week.

How do you feel about giving Goran a long term deal at this point? I would rather get something for him rather than seeing him walk for nothing this summer.

I think a better use of the money probably needed to keep Goran around would be put to better use to sign Green and another big man, that can rebound and play defense.

Dragic + Plumlee + Tolliver +LA's 1st Rounder for Al Horfrod. The Hawks would probably need some assurance that Dragic would stay though.

[RunDogGun]

FTAs are largely a function of the offenses that teams run. Toronto features Derozan and Lowry attacking a lot.

The Suns take a ton of 3s (4th most attempts in the league) and don't have as much an interior game.

Fun game to watch, very different styles and I see how Phoenix wins more than its share.

But we lead the league, or did just the other day in layups, so you can't just claim us an outside shooting team, with that stat looming in defiance. The sad part is if we get hammered and no call, we tend to start shooting outside shots.

We often out score teams in the paint this season, we just don't get the calls. It's ok, we are used to it. I've been watching the Suns since 78, it hasn't changed much except for maybe when we had Barkley.

Raptors outscored the Suns in point in the paint this game by 16 points. Suns also shot 33 threes while the Raps only shot 17 threes. And about 8 of the Raptor free throws were intentional fouls from the final seconds so yeah

Great game anyway. Suns are still legit but I'm worried about Dragic this game since he's one of my favorites..

And yet no comment about us leading the league in layups? Overall, we made more shots, we shot better from field and from three, we out rebounded you guys, we did have more turnovers, but the glaring stat is the 21 more free throws.

I hate games like this, where we do better in all the areas we should, and lose because the other team goes to the line two to three times more than we do. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, you would be a bit pissed.

And what is up with your fan mates and1-ing your comment?

Oh, by the way, you guys only took six free throws in the last thirty seconds of the game, not eight or "about eight".

[Nando88]

Goran for Hibbert! Throw in Plumlee he's absolutely useless. Can't tolerate his hipster hair and beard anymore. He also sucks at basketball


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[lilfishi22]

Dragic + Plumlee + Tolliver +LA's 1st Rounder for Al Horfrod. The Hawks would probably need some assurance that Dragic would stay though.

I don't expect that would be enough to get it done, especially considering they already have Teague at the 1 spot. Plumlee has been scrubbing it up post December 2013 and Tolliver hasn't proven his worth as a stretch 4. The #1 could be intriguing but I doubt it's enough to get it done.

[BurningHeart]

I listened to most of the second half on the drive home.

A) Where the **** was Dragic?

B) Did we really give up two offensive rebounds late only for them to finally score on the third?

Jesus.

Cali has 620 radio station to listen to Suns games???

No lol, I listen through my phone.

[JaysRule15]

They are so confident in their team saying its over before the game even started. Posting crap on our board because their the Raptors and they can do whatever the fk they want, huh? And when you go on their board and wish them good luck and how raptors are amazing this season they throw it back into your face humiliating you like you're the bad guy. Fk em, glad this game is over and we can move on to other once without them infecting our board.

I'm sorry you feel that way man. Most Raptors fans on this board were respectful. Obviously, you'll have some bad apples with a huge fanbase like ours. And I haven't seen you get attacked or humiliated on our board. On the contrary, you've made several posts on our board this past week that were all favorably received and got plenty of And1s lol. Still, apologies if you were offended.

[Qwigglez]

Dragic + Plumlee + Tolliver +LA's 1st Rounder for Al Horfrod. The Hawks would probably need some assurance that Dragic would stay though.

I don't expect that would be enough to get it done, especially considering they already have Teague at the 1 spot. Plumlee has been scrubbing it up post December 2013 and Tolliver hasn't proven his worth as a stretch 4. The #1 could be intriguing but I doubt it's enough to get it done.

Yeah but Dragic is more of a combo guard. Also, Horford isn't putting up great numbers so far this year...

[VanCityRaps]

But we lead the league, or did just the other day in layups, so you can't just claim us an outside shooting team, with that stat looming in defiance. The sad part is if we get hammered and no call, we tend to start shooting outside shots.

We often out score teams in the paint this season, we just don't get the calls. It's ok, we are used to it. I've been watching the Suns since 78, it hasn't changed much except for maybe when we had Barkley.

Raptors outscored the Suns in point in the paint this game by 16 points. Suns also shot 33 threes while the Raps only shot 17 threes. And about 8 of the Raptor free throws were intentional fouls from the final seconds so yeah

Great game anyway. Suns are still legit but I'm worried about Dragic this game since he's one of my favorites..

And yet no comment about us leading the league in layups? Overall, we made more shots, we shot better from field and from three, we out rebounded you guys, we did have more turnovers, but the glaring stat is the 21 more free throws.

I hate games like this, where we do better in all the areas we should, and lose because the other team goes to the line two to three times more than we do. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, you would be a bit pissed.

And what is up with your fan mates and1-ing your comment?

What does leading the league in layups have to do with this game? You most definitely weren't beating us in layup department in this game since we had 16 more paint points so I don't know how that's relevant when discussing about this game.

And why do you expect your team to shoot more free throws when your team was just shooting 3s the whole game? What do you expect? And the reason that your team even came back in the 4th after trailing by 15 were the 3 pointers, not the free throws.

And your turnovers is a huge factor for your loss since 20 is also A LOT if you didn't know so all the extra possessions you got from the offensive rebounds were just negated by the 20 turnovers while we only had 12. And we got the offensive rebounds when it mattered the most anyway. We grabbed 2 crucial offensive rebound in the final minute of the game which lead to free throws and the lead. And like I said, about 6 or 8 of the free throws we got were from the Suns intentionally fouling in the final seconds.

And the Raptors board have a lot of posters who complain about the refs when they feel that they get screwed by them and it's incredibly obnoxious and annoying just like every other fanbase but more so on the Raps since it's one of the biggest board. I'm not one of them. Even though the Raps have been a victim of bad officiating and have had a lot of apologies from miss calls by the NBA, it's annoying how Rap fans blame the officiating when there are other variables that contributed more to those losses than the refs just like this game.

[thamadkant]

Am I the only 1 getting And'1s from Raptor fans a lot? lol

Man, I think I'm gonna go to their board and say good things about their team to pad my And 1's lol.

[NaturalBuns]

I think we have to start PJ cause Dragic/Marcus can't hang with DeRozan.

Bledsoe will have his hands full with Kyle Lowry.

When Demar has a smaller guard on him he likes to post up which opens up opportunities for other guys, so that would be smart.

But Demar isn't who you guys should worry about. Lowry is the heart, soul and engine of the team (apart from Amir Johnson), and if you can slow him down your chances of winning increase.

Also Lou Wililams has been going off these past 2 games, really playing like his old Philly self. Watch out for him.

Suns are a fun team, I'm going to the game so hopefully it's live.

I expect a Raptors win though But good luck to you guys

Not worried about Lowry as much as DD or Val.
I feel like Lowry bullies most pgs on a nightly basis with just strength.
This is one of those games I don't think he has the advantage with Bledsoe being a tank.

Should be a good one.

Quoting myself... Knew it would DD and val killing us.
Lowry had a bad matchup vs Bledsoe. You take Bledsoe 9/10 and it showed.


Plumlee sucks he has ever since Bledsoe went down last year.
Also don't know how I feel about this 3 PG system. Still not going to ride it off but dragic has been ass let's keep it real.

[harshey1388]

Am I the only 1 getting And'1s from Raptor fans a lot? lol

Man, I think I'm gonna go to their board and say good things about their team to pad my And 1's lol.

Go join em? I think we'll be fine without.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

[harshey1388]

If I was Ryan McD here's what I say to Goran...

"If you perform...you'll be a Sun forever. But the way you've been playing you're nowhere close. Own up to your reputation. If not, you're gone bud".

[SunsRback4Good]

If I was Ryan McD here's what I say to Goran...

"If you perform...you'll be a Sun forever. But the way you've been playing you're nowhere close. Own up to your reputation. If not, you're gone bud".

There is only one ball to go around.

[harshey1388]

If I was Ryan McD here's what I say to Goran...

"If you perform...you'll be a Sun forever. But the way you've been playing you're nowhere close. Own up to your reputation. If not, you're gone bud".

There is only one ball to go around.

What I'm seeing is that when Goran gets the ball he has no confidence in what he's trying to do.

And that, has nothing to do with 'there is only one ball'.

[Revived]

Am I the only 1 getting And'1s from Raptor fans a lot? lol

Man, I think I'm gonna go to their board and say good things about their team to pad my And 1's lol.

Gets annoying with the notifications.

[FortyDayzdone]

Am I the only 1 getting And'1s from Raptor fans a lot? lol

Man, I think I'm gonna go to their board and say good things about their team to pad my And 1's lol.

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