Should the NBA throw out the clear path rules?

[HangTime]

Give the shooter 1 free throw

If he makes it:
He gets another FT, but now it's like a regular FT, with rebounders waiting.

Posssible Outcome- 1 Made FT, 2 Made FTs


If he misses it:
The team retains possession from spot of the "clear path" foul.

Only Outcome- 1 Missed FT and possession

[r3demption]

Remove all fouls from the game.

[AlexDelta]

I'd probably even give them 3 free throws and posession. Just because in theory the team on a fast break could just be going for 3 point shot. And well to punish the defending teqm more.

nope, keep it at 2 FTs

they don't give 3 FTs for an intentional foul at the end of games even if the offensive team needs a 3 pointer to stay in the game

Well, if you commit an intentional foul it is not like your team couldn't have gotten back on defense and try to defend the basket, on a clear path foul the defending team usually does not have a chance to, well, defend it all. A clear path foul is like a professional foul in soccer, where you actually get sent off for doing it. The punishment for committing it should be as harsh as possible in my opinion.

[Volcano]

Actually, I don't get why the team gets FT's AND the possession. That ruling changes a close game by a lot.

I don't really care about those

As this thread was clearly made in response to the Blazer game, I'm more baffled at the no calls Lowry was getting down the stretch and all through overtime

Supposedly zero contact on every drive attempt he made

tbh, Lowry just needed to stop playing hero-ball and start playing team ball

some Raptor fans think we needed Derozan, but he would just play hero ball as well. Maybe he would have gotten more star calls from the refs, but maybe not. I'd rather we try to win by something other than relying on the refs.

[BKing10]

It definitely needs rewritten. This year we had a clear path called when the offensive player was in the lane. Not even on a fast break. But I like the premise of the rule

[Magic24]

Give the shooter 1 free throw

If he makes it:
He gets another FT, but now it's like a regular FT, with rebounders waiting.

Posssible Outcome- 1 Made FT, 2 Made FTs


If he misses it:
The team retains possession from spot of the "clear path" foul.

Only Outcome- 1 Missed FT and possession

How is that right? The NBA wants to stop clear path fouls. This would make players commit them more.

Player makes first free throw. The opposing team already won. If I could come away with only giving up one point, I'll take that chance.

If the player misses the first, then that is what the opposing team wanted anyway. A chance to set their defense.

In both cases it would be best that the team commit the foul which the NBA doesn't want.

[whysoserious]

Actually, I don't get why the team gets FT's AND the possession. That ruling changes a close game by a lot.

I don't really care about those

As this thread was clearly made in response to the Blazer game, I'm more baffled at the no calls Lowry was getting down the stretch and all through overtime

Supposedly zero contact on every drive attempt he made

tbh, Lowry just needed to stop playing hero-ball and start playing team ball

some Raptor fans think we needed Derozan, but he would just play hero ball as well. Maybe he would have gotten more star calls from the refs, but maybe not. I'd rather we try to win by something other than relying on the refs.

Lowry has been the teams best player all year and has been playing team ball all year. Late game situations, you're best player is usually going to take over and start making plays. Lowry's drives and shots were mostly good attempts. A couple of those fall or the refs make a call and you're not calling it hero ball you're calling Lowry a clutch player. And i'm not saying you're as in that comment was just directed at you cause I quoted you. It's just a general flip of comments that can result from making a few shots and the perception of the player.

Lowry has been playing great team ball all year.

[ManualRam]

conceptually what is the difference b/t a clear path foul and fouling a player going up for a dunk or layup? there isnt one to me. the defense should be allowed to strategically foul. make the game more balanced. the offense already has way more advantages.
i'm just not a fan of altering the game for the sake of highlights or "manufactured" points. sometimes it's smart to foul. as a counter, i'd make fouls more costly, like 5 a game so players would have to be smart about when to use a foul. i'd also allow more contact.
basically, im getting older and im shaking my fists at clouds. screw the casual fan.

[HangTime]

Give the shooter 1 free throw

If he makes it:
He gets another FT, but now it's like a regular FT, with rebounders waiting.

Posssible Outcome- 1 Made FT, 2 Made FTs


If he misses it:
The team retains possession from spot of the "clear path" foul.

Only Outcome- 1 Missed FT and possession

How is that right? The NBA wants to stop clear path fouls. This would make players commit them more.

Player makes first free throw. The opposing team already won. If I could come away with only giving up one point, I'll take that chance.

If the player misses the first, then that is what the opposing team wanted anyway. A chance to set their defense.

In both cases it would be best that the team commit the foul which the NBA doesn't want.

lol, yeah re-read what I wrote, and realized how bad it is.


How about this then:

If a clear path foul occurs:

The team (player) is automatically awarded the 2 points (No FTs taken), and they get possession.


It might seem more harsh for the team committing the foul (because it's a guaranteed 2 points), but they wouldn't do it (intentionally) ever again.

[Effigy]

conceptually what is the difference b/t a clear path foul and fouling a player going up for a dunk or layup? there isnt one to me. the defense should be allowed to strategically foul. make the game more balanced. the offense already has way more advantages.
i'm just not a fan of altering the game for the sake of highlights or "manufactured" points. sometimes it's smart to foul. as a counter, i'd make fouls more costly, like 5 a game so players would have to be smart about when to use a foul. i'd also allow more contact.
basically, im getting older and im shaking my fists at clouds. screw the casual fan.

The difference is that the guy going for the dunk still has a chance to make the shot so by doing that you are risking a 3 point play. He's also in the act of shooting, so it's a guaranteed 2 free throws at the very least. By just stopping a fast break, with no penalty, you might not even be giving up free throws since it's not in the act of shooting. You'd just be giving the defense time to set up and take away a free hoop.

[Volcano]

Actually, I don't get why the team gets FT's AND the possession. That ruling changes a close game by a lot.

I don't really care about those

As this thread was clearly made in response to the Blazer game, I'm more baffled at the no calls Lowry was getting down the stretch and all through overtime

Supposedly zero contact on every drive attempt he made

tbh, Lowry just needed to stop playing hero-ball and start playing team ball

some Raptor fans think we needed Derozan, but he would just play hero ball as well. Maybe he would have gotten more star calls from the refs, but maybe not. I'd rather we try to win by something other than relying on the refs.

Lowry has been the teams best player all year and has been playing team ball all year. Late game situations, you're best player is usually going to take over and start making plays. Lowry's drives and shots were mostly good attempts. A couple of those fall or the refs make a call and you're not calling it hero ball you're calling Lowry a clutch player. And i'm not saying you're as in that comment was just directed at you cause I quoted you. It's just a general flip of comments that can result from making a few shots and the perception of the player.

Lowry has been playing great team ball all year.

No, those didn't necessarily look like fouls to me. I thought JV got fouled more. Lowry was continuously driving into the other team's crowded lane and big men. They were already in good position and unless he's some Lebron like finisher, it's a tough shot for him to make. He could have passed out on a lot of those attempts and didn't have to keep doing the same thing over and over.

He's been playing team ball all year, but that has nothing to do with the end of this game. He was playing hero ball and if he makes those shots, it's still hero ball. He did it on multiple possessions in a row without passing it, you call that team ball? Look at how Kobe plays, if he makes those shots, you can call him clutch, but are you really gonna say it's not hero ball? c'mon dude.

It's more about playing smart than "being clutch". If Lowry's slicing up the defense, then sure..keep going. If he's not, maybe he should try something else instead of chucking up shots that are obviously gonna miss. He wasn't taking what the defense was giving him.

[whysoserious]

There seriously is nothing wrong with the punishment associated with the current rule. It's there to prevent teams from just stopping those breakaways and it works as a deterrent. Teams must decide then if it's worth taking the foul or not. If they just clean up a bit of language though then it's fine.

[Neutral 123]

Where's the video of the two plays?

[Dr Aki]

I'd probably even give them 3 free throws and posession. Just because in theory the team on a fast break could just be going for 3 point shot. And well to punish the defending teqm more.

nope, keep it at 2 FTs

they don't give 3 FTs for an intentional foul at the end of games even if the offensive team needs a 3 pointer to stay in the game

Well, if you commit an intentional foul it is not like your team couldn't have gotten back on defense and try to defend the basket, on a clear path foul the defending team usually does not have a chance to, well, defend it all. A clear path foul is like a professional foul in soccer, where you actually get sent off for doing it. The punishment for committing it should be as harsh as possible in my opinion.

and an intentional foul to prevent the 3 pointer isn't a professional foul?

it's the very definition of a professional foul

[Wizenheimer]

and an intentional foul to prevent the 3 pointer isn't a professional foul?

it's the very definition of a professional foul

not exactly:

[basketball royalty]

Anything that puts the judgement on these amature refs is a bad idea. Have someone with a brain and not caught up in the moment call it from a replay center.

[Ice Man]

I'm against replay in general, just ruins the flow of the game. I also haven't noticed any increased speed with the replay center.

+1

Who is kidding whom that games are "perfectly" officiated? Every game has dozens of judgment calls that might or might not be correct. That is the nature of the sport. Replays improve maybe 5% of the judgments, at the cost of being boring and time wasting. It's a dumb trade-off.

[steamed hams]

Remove all fouls from the game.

+1. Except for Flagrant 1s and 2s, remove all fouls. That would actually be really interesting to watch.

[Dubeta]

thunder fan here. The clear path rules are generally fine with the exception of the nbas favorites (blazers).

[Dubeta]

Lillard wasn't in front of Ross. That's a clear path foul I know you'll never accept it cause you're a Blazers fan but that's what it is. And if it was called correctly Raps would've had a chance to tie and if not it's still a one possession game.

Kind of like I know you'll never accept it cause you're a Raptors fan???

Raptor fans are hung up on when the whistle was blown, not when the actual foul occurred. Initially Lillard was ahead of the Raptor player and that was when the foul occurred, not once the Raptor player moved ahead of Lillard. In the other case, Batum was always ahead of Vasquez so there is no doubt, even with Ross coming up in the middle of the court. He was not there yet when the foul occurred.

All of this crying about the ref's screwing the Raptors is bogus. You can go through that game and find just as many poor calls against the Blazers. The Blazers pulled it out. It happens in every game, but typically by the end of the game, the poor calls have evened out. This was just a great, frustrating game to watch with some serous intensity down the stretch. The Raptors were better than I thought and can see them making a run at the title. Congratulations!

Thunder fan here. Yall got away with alot of fouls. I don't think you guys will be gifted fts in the playoffs, so watch out. GG by both teams.