Froob wrote:Mamba4Goat wrote:I love Rondo, dude's awesome and petty af.
Rondo said he asked the guys and the consensus was no. He said he would have let Ray come if the guys were on board.
he's Bs'ing.
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Froob wrote:Mamba4Goat wrote:I love Rondo, dude's awesome and petty af.
Rondo said he asked the guys and the consensus was no. He said he would have let Ray come if the guys were on board.
ShazamDaShiznt wrote:I dont see any problem with that
why would you want to invite a guy who makes you feel uncomfortable? Making all that awkward silence when ray out there hanging out with them? What's funny is that I am sure if ray was invited he would decline the offer himself.
JulesWinnfield wrote:This isn't Durant to Golden State, this is not even 15% of that.
gst8 wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:This isn't Durant to Golden State, this is not even 15% of that.
Except that it's actually pretty close to that.
JulesWinnfield wrote:gst8 wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:This isn't Durant to Golden State, this is not even 15% of that.
Except that it's actually pretty close to that.
Uh not even close. What in the world are you possibly talking about
1) OKC still had more contention level years ahead of them than Boston who was basically done
2) Kevin Durant had way more game left in him than Allen
3) the Celtics benched ray Allen late that season. OKC did not bench Durant
4) Durant was an OKC for life, Allen was always a hired gun
Those are only a few of the billion reasons why this comparison is dumb
gst8 wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:gst8 wrote:
Except that it's actually pretty close to that.
Uh not even close. What in the world are you possibly talking about
1) OKC still had more contention level years ahead of them than Boston who was basically done
2) Kevin Durant had way more game left in him than Allen
3) the Celtics benched ray Allen late that season. OKC did not bench Durant
4) Durant was an OKC for life, Allen was always a hired gun
Those are only a few of the billion reasons why this comparison is dumb
Sure, OKC and Boston theoretically were trending in opposite directions. Boston vs. Miami was also a much bigger rivalry at the time of Allen's departure than GS vs. OKC when KD left. And really, the biggest bone of contention people seem to have with KD going to GS was that he had just lost to them in the finals, which is exactly what Ray Allen did. Emotion and agenda aside, it's more similar than not.
JulesWinnfield wrote:I understand the hurt feelings. But to me this is stupid a full 5 years later. The Celtics were on their last legs when Allen left, his departure certainly didn't stop Boston from doing anything in 2013. This isn't Durant to Golden State, this is not even 15% of that.
Also something about an overrated turd like Rondo continually basking in this beef with a HOFer like Allen is just off putting. Especially the version of Rondo in 08 that contributed to that team
sp6r=underrated wrote:ShazamDaShiznt wrote:I dont see any problem with that
why would you want to invite a guy who makes you feel uncomfortable? Making all that awkward silence when ray out there hanging out with them? What's funny is that I am sure if ray was invited he would decline the offer himself.
Courtesy invites are a norm of adulthood.
LeeBlaze wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:I understand the hurt feelings. But to me this is stupid a full 5 years later. The Celtics were on their last legs when Allen left, his departure certainly didn't stop Boston from doing anything in 2013. This isn't Durant to Golden State, this is not even 15% of that.
Also something about an overrated turd like Rondo continually basking in this beef with a HOFer like Allen is just off putting. Especially the version of Rondo in 08 that contributed to that team
How is it not? He left a team that knocked them out of the Conference Finals of the playoffs the same year. He went to a team with more talent. He burned bridges with teammates.
Main difference I could see is OKC had more talent, while Boston was on its last leg.
JulesWinnfield wrote:gst8 wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:
Uh not even close. What in the world are you possibly talking about
1) OKC still had more contention level years ahead of them than Boston who was basically done
2) Kevin Durant had way more game left in him than Allen
3) the Celtics benched ray Allen late that season. OKC did not bench Durant
4) Durant was an OKC for life, Allen was always a hired gun
Those are only a few of the billion reasons why this comparison is dumb
Sure, OKC and Boston theoretically were trending in opposite directions. Boston vs. Miami was also a much bigger rivalry at the time of Allen's departure than GS vs. OKC when KD left. And really, the biggest bone of contention people seem to have with KD going to GS was that he had just lost to them in the finals, which is exactly what Ray Allen did. Emotion and agenda aside, it's more similar than not.
Not at all similar given the trajectory of the franchises and the quality of the players who departed at the time of their departure. Not to mention again that Boston benched Ray Allen shortly before this all happened for a no name kid (at the time) who wasn't even seen as some terrific prospect. Basically incentivizing his departure even more
This isn't even remotely comparable at all.
gst8 wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:gst8 wrote:
Sure, OKC and Boston theoretically were trending in opposite directions. Boston vs. Miami was also a much bigger rivalry at the time of Allen's departure than GS vs. OKC when KD left. And really, the biggest bone of contention people seem to have with KD going to GS was that he had just lost to them in the finals, which is exactly what Ray Allen did. Emotion and agenda aside, it's more similar than not.
Not at all similar given the trajectory of the franchises and the quality of the players who departed at the time of their departure. Not to mention again that Boston benched Ray Allen shortly before this all happened for a no name kid (at the time) who wasn't even seen as some terrific prospect. Basically incentivizing his departure even more
This isn't even remotely comparable at all.
You can debate variables but the action itself is exactly the same. It's comparable on that fact alone.
The franchise trajectory/player quality is mitigated to some extent by the bitterness of the rivalry. Also, regardless of the actual tangible impact, it's obvious that Ray was still considered a core member of the team by the players... hence the ill will. It's hypocritical to rationalize the hate KD gets for his decision yet dismiss how Ray's former teammates feel about him.
JulesWinnfield wrote:There are a billion differences
It wasn’t the greatest thing that could’ve happened to us as a team, a bond. We were at war with those guys [Miami]. To go with the enemy, that’s unheard-of in sports. Well, it’s not so unheard of. It’s damn near common now.
gst8 wrote:JulesWinnfield wrote:There are a billion differences
Yet you've named only two. So, we've got one similarity, two differences, and one mitigating factor.
Sounds fairly close to me.