Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

[IggieCC]

It's a pattern when it happens twice in the span of 365 days... after doctors tell you it shouldn't happen a second time.

i agree its a pattern

definitely a pattern

[NBADraft2003]

not seeing the big problem. If he's not taking any medication they have to let him play.

Cause he's the highest paid player on the team who get's a clot halfway through the season. That's a franchise killer

There is always the possibility that it was an unlucky occurrence. If he's had he gene testing & it came up negative, then it could end up being a result of the combined circumstances (impact injury, flights, etc). Maybe he can play and be 100% with no impact on his preparation. If that's possible then he could become a trade chip.

Don't hold your breath, nobody is trading for him even if all that happens.

[eddieheatfan]

It's a pattern when it happens twice in the span of 365 days... after doctors tell you it shouldn't happen a second time.

i agree its a pattern

definitely a pattern

that has made me rethink to change my screen-name to patternedheatfan or rather saynotoignatianspiritualityiggcc

[Bishop45]

Can we censor Babbots name pls, tenks. And age-index of a team is one of the most overrated things in pro basketball, all that matters is length of contract and $... We're likely not to have all these guys forever. It goes season by season, no matter young or old, either you have it or you don't. Either your core can compete or it can't, word to the Magics for being an everlasting example

Compete or tank

Okay, so you support the core idea of my thoughts (compete or tank, as you summed up), by being obnoxious about how I present them? Would you have preferred a histogram? Or perhaps a look at the relative games played, or play-off experience? How about the RPM, WARP or any other advanced stat? Any way it's presented, we get to the same result.

Also, why the Babbitt hate?

I'm sorry, didn't mean to sound obnoxious, I was just ranting. Age-index is so overrated, if you get good/great prospects around the same age then yea' you build around them but don't sell low on a good team/player unless your jumping out and blowing it up for future generations.

[Flash4thewin]

It honestly makes no sense to fight keeping Bosh out of the court if he is cleared. The issue is Pat wants Bosh off the books for 2017 and honestly thats not going to happen without blood in the water. After his handling of Lebron, Wade and now to fight Bosh is quite frankly idiotic unless he wants to get fired. Wait until the the new CBA after the 2017 offseason where we can use the amnesty clause on him, problem solved. Clearly we are not competing anytime soon so why make a mess out of something that has a simple clean solution?

[puppa bear]

Can we censor Babbots name pls, tenks. And age-index of a team is one of the most overrated things in pro basketball, all that matters is length of contract and $... We're likely not to have all these guys forever. It goes season by season, no matter young or old, either you have it or you don't. Either your core can compete or it can't, word to the Magics for being an everlasting example

Compete or tank

Okay, so you support the core idea of my thoughts (compete or tank, as you summed up), by being obnoxious about how I present them? Would you have preferred a histogram? Or perhaps a look at the relative games played, or play-off experience? How about the RPM, WARP or any other advanced stat? Any way it's presented, we get to the same result.

Also, why the Babbitt hate?

I'm sorry, didn't mean to sound obnoxious, I was just ranting. Age-index is so overrated, if you get good/great prospects around the same age then yea' you build around them but don't sell low on a good team/player unless your jumping out and blowing it up for future generations.

Okay, that makes more sense. I respect that point of view, but do honestly hate the idea of being a treadmill team. Bosh being on our books and the best player (with no other all-star) has all the hallmarks of the treadmill Raptor teams he was previously on. They had to bottom out, then make a couple of good acquisitions before becoming a top-2 East team.

We can possibly become a top-4 East team in a year or 2 with just internal development (if all goes well), but that will be all - and that relies on Bosh being healthy all season. We only have $15m to spend next offseason ($21m if we find a taker for McBob). If we truly want to clear space for the next big thing, then we need Bosh (or Dragic) off the books - clearing TJ or McBob doesn't get us enough.

The reality is, salary wise we have our big-3 on the team already: Dragic/Bosh/Whiteside. If we want a better big-3 one of them has to go.

[Sgt P]

I am really tried of this anti-Riley momentum...
Riley leads the Heat.. not LeDouche, Swade.. or whomDaPhuckNewAhole..

Lebron, Wade and Bosh all wanted 5 year deals for themselves... they all opt- out.. as a result. Miami's good faith it cost a total of 4 First round picks ( role players or other trades ). LeDouche sabotaged his azz back to ChiTLand. Bosh got his max ( fondle by Mark Cuban of all people)and Wade re-upped for less $ so to save face with "HeatNation" lol, so called Lifer. Wade wants deep throat & reach around when he knew his LeBootyPartner was going to turdville. Wade sees everyone cashed in so now he wants a reach around too... - welcome back to Chicago enjoy your ex-wife. I hope ur new wife love that drama. I always thought that Wade got underrated due to being over-shadowed by LeFutureJenner

But Pat screwed up Lebron Bosh and Wade .. cry cry crying ( weak suaces don't deserve an emoji).

Bottom line none of those 3 honored their contracts when signed in 2010 and put themselves above the team.

No problem. Everyone is entitled to do whatever. Problem is all of this whinning about Pat of all people. Read the title, Miami Heat forum. Pat is iconic. Lets see whom of all of those players can proven to be top Dog in multiple ways... Please.

I want a Pat Riley Heat jersey, no number needed.

[Bishop45]

Okay, so you support the core idea of my thoughts (compete or tank, as you summed up), by being obnoxious about how I present them? Would you have preferred a histogram? Or perhaps a look at the relative games played, or play-off experience? How about the RPM, WARP or any other advanced stat? Any way it's presented, we get to the same result.

Also, why the Babbitt hate?

I'm sorry, didn't mean to sound obnoxious, I was just ranting. Age-index is so overrated, if you get good/great prospects around the same age then yea' you build around them but don't sell low on a good team/player unless your jumping out and blowing it up for future generations.

Okay, that makes more sense. I respect that point of view, but do honestly hate the idea of being a treadmill team. Bosh being on our books and the best player (with no other all-star) has all the hallmarks of the treadmill Raptor teams he was previously on. They had to bottom out, then make a couple of good acquisitions before becoming a top-2 East team.

We can possibly become a top-4 East team in a year or 2 with just internal development (if all goes well), but that will be all - and that relies on Bosh being healthy all season. We only have $15m to spend next offseason ($21m if we find a taker for McBob). If we truly want to clear space for the next big thing, then we need Bosh (or Dragic) off the books - clearing TJ or McBob doesn't get us enough.

The reality is, salary wise we have our big-3 on the team already: Dragic/Bosh/Whiteside. If we want a better big-3 one of them has to go.

Being a quote- unquote treadmill team is a lot less complicated than being a rebuild-tanking team that could go on forever. There's no easy way to building a winning team, and at some point you'll have to invest in the draft but selling low on a decent team/players is a shrewd gamble. To me, you're either in or you're out, retooling or rebuilding... There's no inbetween. Either we go forth with our 3 max players and build a team around them/trade them for better players or we trade them for picks and cheap vets and embrace the tank. I don't really care which one, whichever the FO feels more comfortable with, but you gotta choose.

And I don't really have a problem with Babbit, it's just the random venture of someone elses scrub vs. our own. I haven't accepted him yet. I didn't like Beno at first either, so who knows...

[broke]

Let's go for team McBabbit

[Prince Ali]

I am really tried of this anti-Riley momentum...

It's coming from the same 3 posters in every thread, I guess this is what we have to look forward to all next season

[Heat_Fan_87]

I am really tried of this anti-Riley momentum...

It's coming from the same 3 posters in every thread, I guess this is what we have to look forward to all next season

nah, use the ignore feature.

[dancing2thabeet]

Let's go for team McBabbit

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[Wolfy1983]

Be honest, as a fan, was your first thought regarding free agency to re-sign Wade or go after Durant?

People seem to be jumping down Riley's throat for putting his priorities into making the team into a contender again. What a monster. Call it an unrealistic signing, he still got a meeting with Durant when his hometown team didn't.

[contract]

Be honest, as a fan, was your first thought regarding free agency to re-sign Wade or go after Durant?

People seem to be jumping down Riley's throat for putting his priorities into making the team into a contender again. What a monster. Call it an unrealistic signing, he still got a meeting with Durant when his hometown team didn't.

Congratulations on the meeting! And a nice distraction from the facts. This had nothing to do with Durant anymore than it had to do with Deng 2 years back. The fact is that Pat Riley repeatedly and intentionally spent our cap to force Wade into taking pay cuts and/or playing on below market contracts. Pat found himself a sucker and he milked him for every single dime he could.

Durant signed elsewhere. Nothing prevented Pat from paying Wade, except for Pat not wanting to.

Everything else is bull.

The last few years Pat's attitude towards Wade was ...

1. No long term contract.
2. No high salary.

We didn't lose Wade because of Durant or Westbrook or Griffin or Whiteside or Bosh or Dragic or McBob.

[NBADraft2003]

Be honest, as a fan, was your first thought regarding free agency to re-sign Wade or go after Durant?

People seem to be jumping down Riley's throat for putting his priorities into making the team into a contender again. What a monster. Call it an unrealistic signing, he still got a meeting with Durant when his hometown team didn't.

Congratulations on the meeting! And a nice distraction from the facts. This had nothing to do with Durant anymore than it had to do with Deng 2 years back. The fact is that Pat Riley repeatedly and intentionally spent our cap to force Wade into taking pay cuts and/or playing on below market contracts. Pat found himself a sucker and he milked him for every single dime he could.

Durant signed elsewhere. Nothing prevented Pat from paying Wade, except for Pat not wanting to.

Everything else is bull.

The last few years Pat's attitude towards Wade was ...

1. No long term contract.
2. No high salary.

We didn't lose Wade because of Durant or Westbrook or Griffin or Whiteside or Bosh or Dragic or McBob.

1) I'd rather have Wade back in a HEAT uniform that a "chance" at KD, getting in a "room" with him meant nothing if he didn't sign here. Still don't know where they got the confidence from when about all his suitors were better situations than here.

2) That doesn't make any sense when we had Wade's bird rights until this offseason. How did Pat force him into anything? Takes two to tango. What was Wade's market value in 2014? 2015? Practically nothing but minimum to mid level exceptions to other teams in 2014. He was worth $12+ million to us that offseason and notice how is only other suitor was the Bulls too. They wasn't going to sign Wade until their other top options signed and then see if Wade wanted to hop on that for low salary. Don't blame Riley for Wade's market value when Dwyane has to actually build that himself.

3) Miami's final offer was for $21.5 million, that's all they COULD offer after no longer having Dwyane's bird rights. They definitely wasn't going to attach anymore picks, Justise, or Josh to anybody to move a contract and I wouldn't have either.

[Sgt P]

Be honest, as a fan, was your first thought regarding free agency to re-sign Wade or go after Durant?

People seem to be jumping down Riley's throat for putting his priorities into making the team into a contender again. What a monster. Call it an unrealistic signing, he still got a meeting with Durant when his hometown team didn't.

Congratulations on the meeting! And a nice distraction from the facts. This had nothing to do with Durant anymore than it had to do with Deng 2 years back. The fact is that Pat Riley repeatedly and intentionally spent our cap to force Wade into taking pay cuts and/or playing on below market contracts. Pat found himself a sucker and he milked him for every single dime he could.

Durant signed elsewhere. Nothing prevented Pat from paying Wade, except for Pat not wanting to.

Everything else is bull.

The last few years Pat's attitude towards Wade was ...

1. No long term contract.
2. No high salary.

We didn't lose Wade because of Durant or Westbrook or Griffin or Whiteside or Bosh or Dragic or McBob.

What do u think about our current roster? TeamRich or TeamSlow?

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[Bishop45]

#leaguephucked

[twix2500]

This team will be bad even with Bosh. The depth on this team is A1 garbo. Even if the starting lineup performs well. Can't overcome the lack of depth

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[Wolfy1983]

Be honest, as a fan, was your first thought regarding free agency to re-sign Wade or go after Durant?

People seem to be jumping down Riley's throat for putting his priorities into making the team into a contender again. What a monster. Call it an unrealistic signing, he still got a meeting with Durant when his hometown team didn't.

Congratulations on the meeting! And a nice distraction from the facts. This had nothing to do with Durant anymore than it had to do with Deng 2 years back. The fact is that Pat Riley repeatedly and intentionally spent our cap to force Wade into taking pay cuts and/or playing on below market contracts. Pat found himself a sucker and he milked him for every single dime he could.

Durant signed elsewhere. Nothing prevented Pat from paying Wade, except for Pat not wanting to.

Everything else is bull.

The last few years Pat's attitude towards Wade was ...

1. No long term contract.
2. No high salary.

We didn't lose Wade because of Durant or Westbrook or Griffin or Whiteside or Bosh or Dragic or McBob.

Tell yourself whatever you want. Wade wanted to be top priority and Pat Riley was focused elsewhere. Did the Bulls offer 50 mil like he wanted here? Their offer was not much higher.

Oh and it's easy to mock the meeting now. Did u say the same thing back then? The hell with Wade. In the end, he got offered 2 years/40 mil. At 34, who's to say how many games he will be able to play. That was more than a generous offer. Heat lifer...yeah right.