Is Billy King the worst GM in league history?

Grammer Nazi · Post #16 » by **Grammer Nazi** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:30 am

Billy King is a douche and I'm happy to see all this blow up in his face.

He trashed AI during the end of his career for no reason. He wasted years of AI's prime by giving him a washed up Webber as his best player, then has the nerve to say that AI "never made his teammates better" when AI was breaking down later.

FU Billy King.

relinquishy · Post #17 » by **relinquishy** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:31 am

MrBigShot wrote:Nope. Gotta be Colangelo. I think he was actually working in the interest of other teams throughout his entire tenure. Not sure how else to explain taking Terrence Ross so that the Pistons could draft Drummond.

Drummond was considered to be a high risk pick. Most scouts/"experts" thought he would more than likely be a bust than a good player, probably due to his mediocre numbers in college despite his physical gifts, and also because of his horrific free throw shooting.

Laure · Post #18 » by **Laure** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:37 am

Nets are in the worst situation from the whole league. Colangelo ruined the Raptors for a few years in advance. Billy King ruined the Nets for a half, I'd say even a decade in advance.

NjNeTs1029 · Post #19 » by **NjNeTs1029** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:38 am

i hate that man

sogood · Post #20 » by **sogood** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:43 am

For active GMs, it's between him and Chris Grant.

Notanoob · Post #21 » by **Notanoob** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:48 am

I think that's a tad bit unfair to King. He's been really bad, but it's not like its his fault that KG and PP have fallen off of a cliff despite being very good last year still. Along with AK47, DWill and Lopez all missing time with injuries, they could actually be a good team with everyone healthy still.

He shouldn't have hired Kidd though, and I don't know how the Hawks got so many picks from him in the Joe Johnson trade.

RogerJ · Post #22 » by **RogerJ** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:49 am

Probably of all sports. I mean, look what he did in Philly, the same that here, trade for albatroos contracts like Webber

MinneOOPalis · Post #23 » by **MinneOOPalis** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:49 am

Their franchise is litterally screwed for the net 5 years LOL.

boateng · Post #24 » by **boateng** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:49 am

DusterBuster wrote:Looking at teams like the Nets and Knicks, then comparing how they were built to teams like the Blazers and Warriors, is there any more proof we need that you build a roster with substance over style? You don't need to fill your team with every huge name player you can get. It can work sometimes, but if you completely ignore how players fit together from a chemistry and playing style standpoint, that can really blow up in your face. And it's an expensive explosion at that.

Just proves location means nothing if you have fools running your franchise

spurs, thunder, pacers, portland?, warriors are all the elite teams and they are all small market teams....

brooklyn, knicks, and the lakers are all trash at the moment

bobly · Post #25 » by **bobly** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:51 am

I think he's clearly one of the worst ever. I don't understand how he keeps getting jobs.

boateng · Post #26 » by **boateng** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:52 am

Sakuragi_ wrote:Their franchise is litterally screwed for the net 5 years LOL.

it is and 90% of their players are overpaid.

deron williams is trash and hasn't been good since he got Jerry S. fired in Utah. I can't believe CP3 Vs Deron were actual debates :lol:

Joe johnson is also over the hill and on a massive contract.

Pierce and KG are done but tbf to them they have had great careers and they are just old.

boateng · Post #27 » by **boateng** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:53 am

bobly wrote:I think he's clearly one of the worst ever. I don't understand how he keeps getting jobs.

Basketball is funny as unlike football (soccer) inept managers, coaches can do horrible jobs but still get hired again by another nba team.

In football once you have messed up with a big team, its hard for you to get a top job again.

snoopdogg88 · Post #28 » by **snoopdogg88** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:58 am

Grammer Nazi wrote:Billy King is a douche and I'm happy to see all this blow up in his face.

He trashed AI during the end of his career for no reason. He wasted years of AI's prime by giving him a washed up Webber as his best player, then has the nerve to say that AI "never made his teammates better" when AI was breaking down later.

FU Billy King.

Absolutely this. I've had it up to here listening uninformed fans rip on Iverson for years, while not acknowledging he spent almost his entire Sixers career under one of the worst GM's in NBA history. Save for 2001, he was surrounded by absolute garbage.

People like Kobe have no idea how good they've had it. For him to ever criticize the Lakers management is hilarious considering what guys like LeBron dealt with in Cleveland and A.I. in Philly.

Shock Defeat · Post #29 » by **Shock Defeat** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:01 am

Yes. Billy King traded a top 3 protected pick for Gerald Wallace's corpse last year.

Alex Trevelyan · Post #30 » by **Alex Trevelyan** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:06 am

There were a lot of Nets fans making the argument that the team needed to make a splash in its first couple years in Brooklyn. They had to get fans excited they said. That kind of talk was embraced by Prokhorov and King. Now we see the obvious stupidity of that thinking. They have the most expensive roster in NBA history and are looking at a very high lottery pick they won't actually get to use. This team cannot possibly compete for the next 5-7 years, there is no way to rebuild the team even if a demigod was GM.

King and Prokhorov are both to blame here. King has no business working in any NBA front office, but he was empowered by Prokhorov, who is obviously a guy who thinks money can buy anything. It's a lesson he probably learned from his business dealings in a very corrupt Russia, and watching other Russian oligarchs spending on their top flight European soccer clubs, where there is no salary cap and mistakes have no consequences so long as you're willing to eat the bad money you've spent. The owner in Brooklyn might be as much of a problem as his incompetent GM and HC. The super-rich are often credited with having a special genius or situational awareness, but in many cases, as history has shown us, they're the most easily duped. Both Dolan and Prokhorov are proving this on an unprecedented scale.

HeatRing2012 · Post #31 » by **HeatRing2012** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:07 am

Shem wrote:Thank you Billy King for allowing us to draft Damian Lillard!

whats even worse: if the Nets would've kept their losing pace, pre-Wallace trade, then they'd also have had a pretty big chance of drafting Anthony Davis themself.

the whole Wallace-to-Nets deal was so whack in itself - I don't really have words for it.

Shem · Post #32 » by **Shem** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:09 am

HeatRing2012 wrote:
Shem wrote:Thank you Billy King for allowing us to draft Damian Lillard!

whats even worse: if the Nets would've kept their losing pace, pre-Wallace trade, then they'd also have had a pretty big chance of drafting Anthony Davis themself.

the whole Wallace-to-Nets deal was so whack in itself - I don't really have words for it.

Well, they got what they wanted. Deron Williams stayed.

Frank Dux · Post #33 » by **Frank Dux** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:21 am

I don't know what the Nets saw in Gerald when they traded for him. He was very average looking as a Blazer, and was very clearly on the decline as his skillset(or lack of) didn't bode well when father time came knockin'.

This is why you never get caught up in players just because of their names. A lot of people saw this coming from a mile away, yet Billy King and Prok refused to look at the situation logically, and instead catered to their diva "star" player (Deron) and signed an over the hill tweener, with no skill set.

Even if Lillard just turned into a solid rotation player it would still be a bad trade, and to make matters worse, Lillard is looking like he's going to be an all star level point guard for a good number of years. He's a flat out stud.

Optimus_Steel · Post #34 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:23 am

I appreciate Toronto fans being passionate about their team but Colangelo is def not the worst so they need to stop it. Within a couple of years Tor can undo all the mistakes Colangelo did. Billy King however has destroyed any chance the Nets will have to rebuild their team for atleast half a decade, maybe a full decade, just to aquire a bunch of aging has been's in a ill conceived championship chase that will last a year, at most two. The worst part is that he severely overpaid to acquire those same players (Wallace, JJ, KG, Pierce) because their respective teams really only wanted to get salary relief or just something a lil decent back. To top it off, despite having the stronger barganing position he was talked into removing lottery protection for the draft picks by multiple GM's. That's without mentioning the disaster of his Philly stint. Two words: Kenny Thomas.

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Tinseltown · Post #35 » by **Tinseltown** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:27 am

Notanoob wrote:I think that's a tad bit unfair to King. He's been really bad, but it's not like its his fault that KG and PP have fallen off of a cliff despite being very good last year still. Along with AK47, DWill and Lopez all missing time with injuries, they could actually be a good team with everyone healthy still.

He shouldn't have hired Kidd though, and I don't know how the Hawks got so many picks from him in the Joe Johnson trade.

This is true to an extent. Pretty much everyone was predicting the Nets to be competitive or even a contender in the off season

But this is a results driven league and the Nets can't even start a real rebuild until 2019