OT: Election/Trump/Clinton thread

[Mannchild]

You mean the electoral college has spoken, right? Because Trump will lose the popular vote.

The Electoral college is there so that California and New York does NOT speak for all of America.

And thank God for that

Then dont say the people have spoken, because people voted for Clinton more than trump. Why shouldnt each persons vote count? Im guessing that you feel that way because you are republican and if it were up to a popular vote, republicans would probably have to change most of their platform to compete. Republicans are already lucky enough that california/new york get the same amount of senators as montana. But, trump won and as a democrat from califnoria, i really hope he does everything he said he wants to do. If he does, one of two things will happen; The economy will tank because its been proven many times that trickle down economics does not work. Or, he will cancel the trade deals and while incomes might rise a very small amount, the cost of a lot of goods will raise a ton. Either way, his policies, along with the fact that florida and texas are both becoming much more diverse are going to make it so democrats will probably take back at least the senate and white house in 4 years.

[eyriq]

I think the rationale for supporting Trump is pretty simple. You want fair trade not free trade. You want a foreign policy that has Americas best interest in mind and not some Grandiose dreams of global Empire or sacrificing our own interest for the betterment of our allies. You want a culture that represents traditional values and beliefs or at least validates those traditions and values. And you want a legal system that is fair and respected and that won't be exploited.

[MagicMadness]

Most voters ultimately chose one candidate over the other due to party affiliation. They voted for Trump - despite not liking his character - because they believe in conservative principles, or they voted for Hillary - despite not liking her character - because they feel the same about liberal ideals.

Clinton's campaign placed a bigger emphasis on identity politics, while Trump's side focused on traditional broad-based party politics. I think Michael Moore ended up hitting the nail right on the head, at least when it came to Michigan. His comments echoed what we saw across the Rust Belt.

[EAS Law]

Most voters ultimately chose one candidate over the other due to party affiliation. They voted for Trump - despite not liking his character - because they believe in conservative principles, or they voted for Hillary - despite not liking her character - because they feel the same about liberal ideals.

Clinton's campaign placed a bigger emphasis on identity politics, while Trump's side focused on traditional broad-based party politics. I think Michael Moore ended up hitting the nail right on the head, at least when it came to Michigan. His comments echoed what we saw across the Rust Belt.

I speculate that Moore ended up regretting making that speech. Left alone and taken without any other context, I believe it was a very powerful message and very true. The problem is that most people neglected to see the end where he's basically begging people to give the Democratic party one more chance to get it right and not to vote Trump--whoops buddy. Self deprecation and telling the truth hurt you this time.

[OrlMagic05]

Out of curiosity, did people just choose to ignore all of the crap that came out about Hillary or did they think it was just "made up"?

I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm not a republican or a democrat. I will never support anyone simply because they aren't someone else.

I despise Trump because I find him morally repugnant. I can only describe him as a Bond villain with a halved IQ. I don't believe in the concepts of good and evil, but I do believe in selfless versus self-serving behavior. I'd have a difficult time coming up with the name of a more self-serving individual. What possible evidence is there to suggest that he has any concern for the common man? He is adept at using belligerence and pomp. Nothing more.

Hillary's decisions have killed people and put our country at risk. Hurt feelings mean little in the grand scheme of things.

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Hurt feelings can lead to people getting killed. You cannot have someone that just says whatever the hell he wants to say.

With that said, I have seen a different tone to him since winning. I just don't see him doing half the stuff he says he was going to do.

[OrlMagic05]

C'mon man... we KNOW there are crazies on BOTH sides. Lets stop doing this.

Absolutely. After Obama was elected they were called racists, these guys are just called crazy kids. Just saying, I'm prepared.

You'll feel much better once you let your guard down and judge people as individuals and not groups. There are many groups that chose 'their' candidate for their own selfish reasons (conservative views, liberal views, racism from both sides, the 'crazy' gun owners, those that want to keep their free handouts, etc.). Not all minority democrats hate whites. Not all white republicans hate minorities. There are republicans that agree that we could use stronger gun laws (ie not taking them away but things like making sure mentally ill people can't buy guns). There are plenty of democrats that agree with some of Trump's economic policies. I could go on and on but you get my point.

I could go start bashing you for supporting someone that I perceive as 'not a good person' but what is that going to accomplish? I don't get it, I don't understand it but I respect your position and opinion. I can admit that I might be wrong and I'm willing to let Trump prove me wrong. I REALLY hope he does.

Very well said!

I love how Blue_and_White doesn't respond to this post.

[MagicFan101]

Now that I have had time to calm down I suppose the best thing is to have an open mind and give him a chance.

In fact, the weather here in Dallas is beautiful right now and we have a lovey trail for his motorcade with a fantastic view of a calm grassy knoll. I invite the president elect to come and visit any time.

[TreasureCoast]

Now that I have had time to calm down I suppose the best thing is to have an open mind and give him a chance.

In fact, the weather here in Dallas is beautiful right now and we have a lovey trail for his motorcade with a fantastic view of a calm grassy knoll. I invite the president elect to come and visit any time.

What are you gonna use a sling shot? The 2nd protects your right to say dumb s*** like that. Liberal double standard and hateful words, it's becoming a stereotype.

[OrlandO]

LAFAYETTE, La. (WGNO) – The University of Louisiana at Lafayette student who said she was robbed of her hijab head covering and wallet and beaten by two white men near campus fabricated the entire story, according to Lafayette Police.

The 18-year-old Middle Eastern student reported to police Wednesday that she was walking to class about 11 a.m. when two white men, one wearing a Donald Trump hat, jumped out of an SUV, struck her and hit her repeatedly. She also said the men yelled racial slurs at her, ripped her hijab off her head and stole her wallet.

She has since admitted to police that she lied about the attack.

The story made national headlines and was featured in The New York Times, The Huffington Post and other national media outlets. Messages of love and support were found all over UL Lafayette’s campus after news of the attack spread.

[Def Swami]

A lot of talking at people, finger pointing, and broad generalizations of both sides instead of an adult, civil discord in this thread. Unfortunately, the discourse in this thread is a reflection of the politics we live in. It's a shame because it really clouds getting real substantive things done to help people.

[EAS Law]

Now that I have had time to calm down I suppose the best thing is to have an open mind and give him a chance.

In fact, the weather here in Dallas is beautiful right now and we have a lovey trail for his motorcade with a fantastic view of a calm grassy knoll. I invite the president elect to come and visit any time.

Yeah, this is a pretty disgusting post and you're a pretty disgusting human being to make light of a president getting his head publicly blown off while his wife tries to scoop his brain matter into her hands to keep him alive while he's gasping for his last breaths.

What an awful thing to advocate for in the year 2016.

[MagicFan101]

Now that I have had time to calm down I suppose the best thing is to have an open mind and give him a chance.

In fact, the weather here in Dallas is beautiful right now and we have a lovey trail for his motorcade with a fantastic view of a calm grassy knoll. I invite the president elect to come and visit any time.

What are you gonna use a sling shot? The 2nd protects your right to say dumb s*** like that. Liberal double standard and hateful words, it's becoming a stereotype.

The 2nd protects my right to say dumb ****?

Oh the irony! I love it!

[MagicFan101]

Now that I have had time to calm down I suppose the best thing is to have an open mind and give him a chance.

In fact, the weather here in Dallas is beautiful right now and we have a lovey trail for his motorcade with a fantastic view of a calm grassy knoll. I invite the president elect to come and visit any time.

Yeah, this is a pretty disgusting post and you're a pretty disgusting human being to make light of a president getting his head publicly blown off while his wife tries to scoop his brain matter into her hands to keep him alive while he's gasping for his last breaths.

What an awful thing to advocate for in the year 2016.

Isn't anti-PC part of this Trump movement? Where is the line between the countless horrible things Trump has said on national television during this election and what I just said? Huh? Show it to me. If this man can do those awful things now in 2016 and still become president of the United States then surely my "disgusting" joke is fair game on some random message board.

[Inqui]

This was rural America vs urban America with some racial undertones. I still don't understand what rural America expects Trump to get done for them. Are we to expect factories to pop up in every rural town? Who's paying for all of his policies while he cuts taxes on the rich?

I didn't vote for him but am not going to disrespect him or his fans. I just don't get it.

This to me is one of the reasons I'm a little unsettled about the election - I've seen more than one right-wing economic think tank that projects his fiscal policy getting the nation's debt-to-GDP ratio up to 105-110% (compared to 75% today). And if he hits China (or any other country) with big tariffs they'll just retaliate by putting their own tariffs in place, so for every industry that benefits from jobs that may or may not get brought back home, at least one other industry will struggle with reduced business overseas. Obama found that when he started taxing Chinese-imported tyres and chicken farmers got affected the worst when China put heavy tariffs on chicken feet in retaliation. That's what's frustrated me about the media coverage for the past 18 months - the complete lack of covering the candidates' actual policies and instead focusing on scandals and gremlins and the general entertainment/conflict side of things.

That and as an observer based in the Asia-Pacific, I know pretty much every national leader in the region will be watching with apprehension to see what happens. With Hillary at least we knew we were getting the same stable presence Obama brought with his "pivot to Asia" strategy.

I agree completely. The coverage of this campaign cycle has focused so much on "fitness to lead" that his lack of knowledge has slipped under the radar. Policy experts, liberal and conservative, simply don't think his ideas make sense.

Yeah, even CBS executive Les Moonves said "Trump is bad for America, but great for CBS" and the overall coverage makes a lot of sense when you look at it through that lens (whether or not you agree with the first bit is irrelevant in a way). His supporters complain about the biased coverage against him (and in fairness to them, Bill O'Reilly himself has said that executives in at least three news companies - including Fox News - have told their news crews to bury him), but he's a brilliant TV mind and I think he was counting on that coverage and even embracing it because it reduced the election dialogue to insults, fear and political rhetoric as opposed to actual discussions about climate change, fiscal policy, free trade and how an economy should operate in the 21st century. Jon Stewart gave a fantastic interview back in May about how you'd want a 24-hour news channel to be incentivised for clarity, but instead they thrive on conflict and this has been the result.

But in fairness to the media, you look at how this thread's gone and there's a very legitimate case that the outlets are pandering to the public in that chicken and egg scenario.

[magicfan217]

Curious, I have heard people call him racist but I'm not sure why....is it his stance on illegal immigrants? I get it if you don't think people already here should be deported, but I don't see why it's considered racist to think they should not be in the country. I mean they are living in our country illegally...

Not trying to start a fire, just curious if that's it or if there's other reasons people think he's a racist


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[OrlandO]

Now that I have had time to calm down I suppose the best thing is to have an open mind and give him a chance.

In fact, the weather here in Dallas is beautiful right now and we have a lovey trail for his motorcade with a fantastic view of a calm grassy knoll. I invite the president elect to come and visit any time.

Yeah, this is a pretty disgusting post and you're a pretty disgusting human being to make light of a president getting his head publicly blown off while his wife tries to scoop his brain matter into her hands to keep him alive while he's gasping for his last breaths.

What an awful thing to advocate for in the year 2016.

Isn't anti-PC part of this Trump movement? Where is the line between the countless horrible things Trump has said on national television during this election and what I just said? Huh? Show it to me. If this man can do those awful things now in 2016 and still become president of the United States then surely my "disgusting" joke is fair game on some random message board.

Congrats, you've become what you hate.

[NEM]

Curious, I have heard people call him racist but I'm not sure why....is it his stance on illegal immigrants? I get it if you don't think people already here should be deported, but I don't see why it's considered racist to think they should not be in the country. I mean they are living in our country illegally...

Not trying to start a fire, just curious if that's it or if there's other reasons people think he's a racist


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Because that's what is fed to us by the media, who is controlled by the liberals of this country, when in all actuality, there are real life accounts from LEGAL immigrants who work for him, stating that he's actually one of the most generous people they've ever met because he provided them with jobs when they came here LEGALLY.

The key words in all of this are legal and illegal. If someone is here ILLEGALLY, they have two options: get your paperwork together, get a green card, and stay here as a legal alien who will be eligible for citizenship in a few years. Or you can take option B and leave the country. How is that so hard to understand? If something is ILLEGAL, then certain actions need to be taken. If something is LEGAL, you leave it alone.

[BadMofoPimp]

Trump gonna prove em all wrong!!!

[Xatticus]

Curious, I have heard people call him racist but I'm not sure why....is it his stance on illegal immigrants? I get it if you don't think people already here should be deported, but I don't see why it's considered racist to think they should not be in the country. I mean they are living in our country illegally...

Not trying to start a fire, just curious if that's it or if there's other reasons people think he's a racist


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Just google it. There is a long list of egregious examples that can't be glossed over.

We're all racist on some level. It's just an inherent part of being conditioned to an environment that has created these artificial classifications. When it manifests in differential treatment of others based on these superficial differences, then it's a problem.

[MagicFan101]

But in all seriousness, it is the open Supreme Court seat that worries me the most. Obviously this person will be a conservative and that isn't necessarily bad, but I do want to know their stance on big issues and how hard a lean they are.

Any executive orders or other issues can quickly be overturned in 4 years by our next president if they really are out of line. But a justice is a life term and will have long standing consequences.