Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
You can and I do.
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Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
Los5782 wrote:Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this

Throwback24 wrote:What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession
Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?
CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
Throwback24 wrote:Los5782 wrote:Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession
Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?
Throwback24 wrote:Los5782 wrote:Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession
Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?
Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this
HeartBreakKid wrote:Throwback24 wrote:Los5782 wrote:
What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession
Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?
Embiid is a good passer, he passed the rock from the high post very well in college. I think he'll likely be a 3 APG type of player.
Embiid is being force fed on the Sixers now, some for development, some because the Sixers lack offensive talent. He certainly has the IQ and willingness to pass, but I believe as of now he's just getting his scoring reps in.

CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
The_Hater wrote:richboy wrote:The idea of lets accumulate assets is fine. It is the Isiah Thomas way of team building. Lets just get a bunch of guys and then will trade for something awesome. .
When exactly did Isiah Thomas do this. With the Knicks, he traded all his picks/young players for 5 veterans all in their 20's. I don't see the similarity at all.richboy wrote:Problem is Hinkie got all the same players at the same position. Which is not only driving there value down. You can't even showcase them for future deals. The only reason Saric is playing now is Ben Simmons and NN got injured. If everyone was healthy 1 or 2 of these guys would struggle to get minutes. Honestly I'm not sure Okafor and NN have great value on the market.
I think you overestimate what a problem this is. You try and draft the best player until you know who is going to work out as the best building blocks. And if you draft by position, you only increase the odds of drafting a dud. Should he have passed on Simmons to draft say Dunn? Probably not a great idea although it would have met the positional requirement you just criticized him for. I do believe that he wanted Russell instead of Okafor but the Lakers didn't leave him that choice.
And with none of Embiid, Saric and Simmons playing until this season, there were no 'showcase' issues when Hinkie was here for 3 seasons. Had Hinkie still been in charge this past summer perhaps he wouldn't have gone to war this season with all these bigs. But his replacement, Colangelo, decided he would.

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CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
lorak wrote:

richboy wrote:The_Hater wrote:richboy wrote:The idea of lets accumulate assets is fine. It is the Isiah Thomas way of team building. Lets just get a bunch of guys and then will trade for something awesome. .
When exactly did Isiah Thomas do this. With the Knicks, he traded all his picks/young players for 5 veterans all in their 20's. I don't see the similarity at all.richboy wrote:Problem is Hinkie got all the same players at the same position. Which is not only driving there value down. You can't even showcase them for future deals. The only reason Saric is playing now is Ben Simmons and NN got injured. If everyone was healthy 1 or 2 of these guys would struggle to get minutes. Honestly I'm not sure Okafor and NN have great value on the market.
I think you overestimate what a problem this is. You try and draft the best player until you know who is going to work out as the best building blocks. And if you draft by position, you only increase the odds of drafting a dud. Should he have passed on Simmons to draft say Dunn? Probably not a great idea although it would have met the positional requirement you just criticized him for. I do believe that he wanted Russell instead of Okafor but the Lakers didn't leave him that choice.
And with none of Embiid, Saric and Simmons playing until this season, there were no 'showcase' issues when Hinkie was here for 3 seasons. Had Hinkie still been in charge this past summer perhaps he wouldn't have gone to war this season with all these bigs. But his replacement, Colangelo, decided he would.
Isiah Thomas in his time in New York said forget about team fit. Let me just get assets. Then one day when a superstar ask to be traded I'll have all these assets to move in a trade. That is the point that is similar to Isiah Thomas. Thomas almost didn't care what was happening on the floor. He thought when guys like KG wanted out teams would be running to get a talented big with post skills and no defense and rebounding like Eddy Curry. Phili isn't doing what the Knicks did in terms they were paying those players big money. What they are doing is banking on future trades to help make the roster complete.
Next. Your point would be fine if he was drafting studs. If he was drafting the best player available. Lets be real. He drafted the most popular college player available. Which is pretty much the easiest way to keep a job as a gm. As most fans and management have no clue about international players or even some of the less known college players. If they bust you just say well everyone would have taken that guy.
Nobody is saying pass on Ben Simmons because you have a PF. Part of being a good GM and scout is understanding who is best player available. In his case it was not really best player available. It was we are tanking to find a superstar. Did he really think Noel had superstar talent? That Okafor had superstar talent? They have the same strengths now that they did in college and it isn't anything special. Phili over and over again had opportunities to draft freakish talents and instead went with low ceiling popular college players. Somehow people want him to get credit. Like somehow it is hard to tank and then taking the biggest name college player you can find. Only thing I could give him credit for is he did well in some trades.