So how about Joel Embiid

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#981 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:49 am

Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this

You can and I do.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#982 » by TheSuzerain » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:50 am

Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this

You can't be considered a blackhole unless you're taking away shots from players that are worth a damn.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#983 » by Los5782 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:51 am

Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this


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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#984 » by Throwback24 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:55 am

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Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this


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What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession

Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?
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Throwback24 wrote:What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession

Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?

Have you watched games recently?

He's up from 1.0 potential assists in October (9th on team) to 3.2 (6th) in November.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#986 » by Los5782 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:00 am

Throwback24 wrote:
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Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this


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What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession

Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?


You think Embiid is a black hole? Dear God, lol, I won't even bother any further , you win.. lmao
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#987 » by HeartBreakKid » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:07 am

Throwback24 wrote:
Los5782 wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this


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What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession

Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?


Embiid is a good passer, he passed the rock from the high post very well in college. I think he'll likely be a 3 APG type of player.

Embiid is being force fed on the Sixers now, some for development, some because the Sixers lack offensive talent. He certainly has the IQ and willingness to pass, but I believe as of now he's just getting his scoring reps in.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#988 » by jpengland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:10 am

Throwback24 wrote:More athletic Al Jeff, huge black hole. One of my fav. players but you can't deny this


I can deny this.

But even if not, All Jefferson with three point range, fantastic rim protection and an ability to switch onto guards?

That still sounds like an MVP candidate to me.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#989 » by jpengland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:12 am

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Throwback24 wrote:
Los5782 wrote:
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What's so confusing? When he gets the ball dumped him to down low it doesn't come back out. The entire team stops moving and starts ball watching when he has possession

Very plain to see... is that not what a black hole does?


Embiid is a good passer, he passed the rock from the high post very well in college. I think he'll likely be a 3 APG type of player.

Embiid is being force fed on the Sixers now, some for development, some because the Sixers lack offensive talent. He certainly has the IQ and willingness to pass, but I believe as of now he's just getting his scoring reps in.


This.

Brown has history of fhis, too. Noel was being told to shoot jumpers and try to score on back down isolations for the first half of last year, to aid his development.

Getting Embiid in stride and up to NBA speed is the number one goal for Philly right now.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#990 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:32 am

Lol he just had a nice assist out of a triple team for a 3

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Post#991 » by ratrac » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:37 am

Looking at the 4th quarter, I think Joel might have read the black hole comment during the halftime.
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Post#992 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:37 am

And just passed out of a double for the hockey assist.

Guna have to watch the games or try harder

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#993 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:47 am

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#994 » by richboy » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:03 am

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richboy wrote:The idea of lets accumulate assets is fine. It is the Isiah Thomas way of team building. Lets just get a bunch of guys and then will trade for something awesome. .


When exactly did Isiah Thomas do this. With the Knicks, he traded all his picks/young players for 5 veterans all in their 20's. I don't see the similarity at all.

richboy wrote:Problem is Hinkie got all the same players at the same position. Which is not only driving there value down. You can't even showcase them for future deals. The only reason Saric is playing now is Ben Simmons and NN got injured. If everyone was healthy 1 or 2 of these guys would struggle to get minutes. Honestly I'm not sure Okafor and NN have great value on the market.


I think you overestimate what a problem this is. You try and draft the best player until you know who is going to work out as the best building blocks. And if you draft by position, you only increase the odds of drafting a dud. Should he have passed on Simmons to draft say Dunn? Probably not a great idea although it would have met the positional requirement you just criticized him for. I do believe that he wanted Russell instead of Okafor but the Lakers didn't leave him that choice.

And with none of Embiid, Saric and Simmons playing until this season, there were no 'showcase' issues when Hinkie was here for 3 seasons. Had Hinkie still been in charge this past summer perhaps he wouldn't have gone to war this season with all these bigs. But his replacement, Colangelo, decided he would.


Isiah Thomas in his time in New York said forget about team fit. Let me just get assets. Then one day when a superstar ask to be traded I'll have all these assets to move in a trade. That is the point that is similar to Isiah Thomas. Thomas almost didn't care what was happening on the floor. He thought when guys like KG wanted out teams would be running to get a talented big with post skills and no defense and rebounding like Eddy Curry. Phili isn't doing what the Knicks did in terms they were paying those players big money. What they are doing is banking on future trades to help make the roster complete.

Next. Your point would be fine if he was drafting studs. If he was drafting the best player available. Lets be real. He drafted the most popular college player available. Which is pretty much the easiest way to keep a job as a gm. As most fans and management have no clue about international players or even some of the less known college players. If they bust you just say well everyone would have taken that guy.

Nobody is saying pass on Ben Simmons because you have a PF. Part of being a good GM and scout is understanding who is best player available. In his case it was not really best player available. It was we are tanking to find a superstar. Did he really think Noel had superstar talent? That Okafor had superstar talent? They have the same strengths now that they did in college and it isn't anything special. Phili over and over again had opportunities to draft freakish talents and instead went with low ceiling popular college players. Somehow people want him to get credit. Like somehow it is hard to tank and then taking the biggest name college player you can find. Only thing I could give him credit for is he did well in some trades.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

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Post#996 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:13 am

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#997 » by eagereyez » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:21 am

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#998 » by Sixerscan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:25 am

richboy wrote:
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richboy wrote:The idea of lets accumulate assets is fine. It is the Isiah Thomas way of team building. Lets just get a bunch of guys and then will trade for something awesome. .


When exactly did Isiah Thomas do this. With the Knicks, he traded all his picks/young players for 5 veterans all in their 20's. I don't see the similarity at all.

richboy wrote:Problem is Hinkie got all the same players at the same position. Which is not only driving there value down. You can't even showcase them for future deals. The only reason Saric is playing now is Ben Simmons and NN got injured. If everyone was healthy 1 or 2 of these guys would struggle to get minutes. Honestly I'm not sure Okafor and NN have great value on the market.


I think you overestimate what a problem this is. You try and draft the best player until you know who is going to work out as the best building blocks. And if you draft by position, you only increase the odds of drafting a dud. Should he have passed on Simmons to draft say Dunn? Probably not a great idea although it would have met the positional requirement you just criticized him for. I do believe that he wanted Russell instead of Okafor but the Lakers didn't leave him that choice.

And with none of Embiid, Saric and Simmons playing until this season, there were no 'showcase' issues when Hinkie was here for 3 seasons. Had Hinkie still been in charge this past summer perhaps he wouldn't have gone to war this season with all these bigs. But his replacement, Colangelo, decided he would.


Isiah Thomas in his time in New York said forget about team fit. Let me just get assets. Then one day when a superstar ask to be traded I'll have all these assets to move in a trade. That is the point that is similar to Isiah Thomas. Thomas almost didn't care what was happening on the floor. He thought when guys like KG wanted out teams would be running to get a talented big with post skills and no defense and rebounding like Eddy Curry. Phili isn't doing what the Knicks did in terms they were paying those players big money. What they are doing is banking on future trades to help make the roster complete.

Next. Your point would be fine if he was drafting studs. If he was drafting the best player available. Lets be real. He drafted the most popular college player available. Which is pretty much the easiest way to keep a job as a gm. As most fans and management have no clue about international players or even some of the less known college players. If they bust you just say well everyone would have taken that guy.

Nobody is saying pass on Ben Simmons because you have a PF. Part of being a good GM and scout is understanding who is best player available. In his case it was not really best player available. It was we are tanking to find a superstar. Did he really think Noel had superstar talent? That Okafor had superstar talent? They have the same strengths now that they did in college and it isn't anything special. Phili over and over again had opportunities to draft freakish talents and instead went with low ceiling popular college players. Somehow people want him to get credit. Like somehow it is hard to tank and then taking the biggest name college player you can find. Only thing I could give him credit for is he did well in some trades.


Love when people talk about how Hinkie did stuff to extend his job as GM ignoring that he basically got fired after less than 3 years lol.

Also he drafted Saric who last I checked was foreign and taken over a variety of better known college players. Are you just saying he should have drafted Giannis and Porzingis? Yes that would have been nice.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#999 » by Amare_1_Knicks » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:43 am

I think the Al Jefferson comparison for Embiid is lazy and inaccurate. I'm not seeing it at all really.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1000 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:48 am

Crazy to see Embiid with almost a 4o% usg, a lot of offense to run through a player just starting his career but he seems to be answering well to it. Will be very interesting to see how his game changes with Simmons in the lineup.

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