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Post#1 Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread? Improvement
Sat Jan 1, 2011 1:01 am by WizarDynasty

Watch how nash burst with his dribble down into the low post and he STILL maintain his dribble while waiting for his man to make a past. Has John ever done what Nash does when he get's that close to the basket. Nope. john Wall is normally out of control..or he is jumping in the air instead of maintaining his dribble and waiting for his bigs to make the right cuts..or telling them to make the cut. pay attention to what Nash does John!! John wall actually learn to make a mass mid dribble style instead of always picking up the ball and loosing your dribble. NOT ONLY DOES NASH MAINTAIN HIS DRIBBLE WITH HIS LEFT HAND AND KEEPING THE BALL ON THE OUTER LEFT SIDE OF HIS BODY TO PROTECT...BUT HE'S OLD'S THE DRIBBLE UNTIL HIS MAN CREATES ENOUGH SPACE TO GIVE HIM A PASSING ANGLE ALL PREMEDITATED. HE IS RIGHT HANDED BUT ABLE TO MAKE A ONE HANDED LEFT HANDED PASS IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS DRIBBLE WHILE STANDING STILL DEEP IN THE POST AND HE DOESN'T RUSH IT. Work these plans out before the game with your bigs.

Remember Nash hold his dribble and sees an open path to the basket for the man he passes it to before he even makes the pass and he passes the ball in the middle of dribble and never picks the ball up with both hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rPOEzBqAhC8#t=277s


Do us a favor John, go to Ted leonsis and ask him to give you 24 hours of footage from steve nash so you can watch 2 hours of him before you go to bed each night. Watch how he dribbles the ball to his side, not in front on him. Watch out he uses his hesitation to force his man to slow down..and as soon as his man has to slow down to match his speed, he puts on the rockets and burst right past him. you got all the tools, now you just need Ted to provide you teh footage. maybe ask Saunders to ask TEd. or ask Grunfeld. hinrich is ok, but imitation of nash will make you an MVP player.

Watch how nash uses his off left hand and does a hesitation move just to hold up defenders....he uses his hesitation to wait for the passing lane to open up. he uses his hesitation..and pretends to drive so that two defenders double him...he fully knows ahead of time where he is going to pass it all based on the fact that the defense has to guard his hesitation. Wall i have never see you do this once.
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I am absolutely appalled horrified at how terrible an overall number draft picks handle and dribbling skills can be. If you watch this guy, his dribble comes up above his waste on every bounce, he is out of control every time he drives to the basket. Does he ever watch and imitate how Steve Nash dribbles the ball to his side when he is sprinting to the basket? Wall would MVP of the league if only he would have enough patience to copy Nash's Dribble Drive and Chris Paul on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hT8cLdO48


The other thing that disgust me is how poorly he plays the pick and roll. His anticipation skills are terrifying to say the least. If you watch his feet on slow motion he never has his feet set ready to respond to a pick and roll and he almost looks like gilbert arenas playing defense because both stand erect rather maintaining a squating lunge position in order to contest a shot.
Another reason why Flip needs to go. Coaching should have corrected this a long time ago and we are 20 games plus into the season. We lost the first half of the indiana game on new years eve because of John Wall.


Also Blatche shows some pretty poor anticipation skills on the pick roll and always just seems to stick an hand out...before he use to have that burst to force the point guard back in side so he is losing his lateral quickness.

finally JOhn Wall, after 20 game still doesn't know a full 10 second play of where the other four position are suppose to be on a second by second basis and he doesn't have the subtle ball control ability to change his momentum. He can't maintain a low dribble below his knee and at the back of his heel--hill while sprinting off a pick and roll, all can be blamed on Flip and Grunfeld. High Turnovers and just reckless drives to basket and he can't stop his momentum because his dribble and center of gravity are way to high. Really sad day for the wiz unless we get changes in philosophy from the top. Does he ever watch and imitate how Steve Nash dribbles the ball to his side when he is sprinting to the basket? Wall would MVP of the league if only he would have enough patience to copy Nash's Dribble Drive and Chris Paul on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hT8cLdO48




Wall half court dribble skills are extremely poor, he can't even change the pace of his dribble.
Defensively, his anticipation skills and defensive form are extremely poor. Maybe he doesn't have the athleticism to keep a low defensive stance the entire time he plays defense. Copy Chris Paul's man to man defense. If this is the case, he was worthy of being selected number overall or this was an extremely poor draft class.

I just hope coaching can fix this and him studying film of what his proper foot reaction should have been. Wall is moving forward and feet arent' even on the ground because he is stepping forward and Collison while Wall is stepping forward is already planted and bursting forward. Just poor reaction and speed and coaches are doing nothing to correct it. I just can't stand watching anymore.
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Post#2 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 1:28 am by JWizmentality

U Mad?
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Post#3 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 1:30 am by Chaos Revenant

Good luck buddy. You're always the guy who takes unpopular positions, and gets bashed for it (for trivial reasons such as poor formatting of posts), and I'm sure people will come flying in saying HES JUST A ROOKIE, but the fact is, Wall is a bottom 10 starting PG right now, because he has real fundamental issues with his game.

Now, I can't confirm or verify the particulars of what you are saying (except the half-court dribbling and control issues; we knew that coming in), but we do know Wall has fundamental issues that need to be corrected before he becomes great. But I hope that if anyone wants to challenge this analysis, they do so with facts based on real game tape rather than just dismissing him because his posts are hard to read.

EDIT: See, it started already. We knew coming in Wall's handles needed a lot of work. WD is just breaking it down a bit more, but other than that, he's not making stuff out of thin air. Meanwhile, he certainly doesn't make us better on D.

And I absolutely agree, Flip is a horrendous teacher of fundamentals.
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Post#4 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 2:00 am by willbcocks

I don't know how unpopular this position is since I've been saying it in every other thread and no one has said posted anything negative in response. Maybe it's 'cuz of my pretty ellipses... 8-)

Wall has three problems:
-shot
-handle
-defense

He's average on the first two and terrible on the third. But he's a rookie. Give him two offseasons and if he hasn't worked out these problems -- regardless of who's coaching -- he's not the special talent we're hoping he is.
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Post#5 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 2:52 am by JWizmentality

I think everyone has seen Wall's flaws. Don't know why there's the need to be all pissy about it. We're a young team, we suck, and Wall is still damn good despite his flaws. Was this thread necessary? Kinda like the guy who walks out on a nice sunny day but complains that it's too damn hot, or gets a studio flat in NY over looking the UN but the rent is too damn high...
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Post#6 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 9:34 am by nate33

Wall has some flaws, sure. I just object to the use of the term, "Amazingly Sucky". It waters down the meaning of the term and reduces it's power.
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Post#7 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 10:47 am by AceDegenerate

nate33 wrote:Wall has some flaws, sure. I just object to the use of the term, "Amazingly Sucky". It waters down the meaning of the term and reduces it's power.


I think you mis-read WizD's generous title.
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Post#8 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 10:49 am by WizarDynasty

JWizmentality wrote:I think everyone has seen Wall's flaws. Don't know why there's the need to be all pissy about it. We're a young team, we suck, and Wall is still damn good despite his flaws. Was this thread necessary? Kinda like the guy who walks out on a nice sunny day but complains that it's too damn hot, or gets a studio flat in NY over looking the UN but the rent is too damn high...



He's terribly sorry because one full month of sprinting full length of the court and ever allowing the ball to bounce above your knee and always making sure the ball strikes the ground on every bounce behind your shoe heel, never way out in front of your body would have solved the problem. a simple mandate from ted or eg to saunders instructing wall to this simple drill at least 20 times before practice each day would make our number one draft pick...truly worth being selected number one overall. But EG and TED fail to use their influence which is what separates the great franchises from the mediocre ones. Saunders doesn't have the power to enforce such a requirement because he doesn't have successful track record with the wizards... again the wizards. until he does, only Eg and TEd figures who have longterm influence can bring about such a change. All Wall needs to do is imitate the way Nash dribble's in the half court setting which is different from the way he dribbles on a fast break. nash keeps the ball to his side and outside of his body, never in front which is why he has a low turn over percentage. Does he ever watch and imitate how Steve Nash dribbles the ball to his side when he is sprinting to the basket? Wall would MVP of the league if only he would have enough patience to copy Nash's Dribble Drive and Chris Paul on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hT8cLdO48






If only i knew tes leonsis email address. Every week, my entire team would have demonstrate that they know all other four positions on a second to second basis on ten second play. those that don't would receive a mandatory fine. I would install this mandate so that players won't take it out on the coach when they haven't fulfilled the requirement since i know my coach has won the players respect since he has never had a winning season with the wizards. all players would know the reason they are being fine is because of me, the owner, or because of me the GM.




I would consult with draftexpress.com owner just so that i can get an objective view of my players weakness so i would develop organization group think. If ted had done this, there is no way JOhn Wall would still have poor handles for a starting point guard. Dribbling high off the ground for a point guard is equivalent to a shooting guard that can't shoot.
Steve Nash half court dribbling skills. A point guards distincy trait is that he has elite dribbling skills in order to dictate the flow of the game with precision ball placement and timing. without elite ball controlling in the half court setting, its almost impossible to do this and John Wall's value as a point guard plummets dratmatically. Don't understand how managers of this organization aren't in panick mode the moment they saw how high and the placement of Wall's dribbling bounce in a half court setting...my only conclusion is that they aren't even aware that this is the most serious problem immediate effecting the team on every play adn their limited bball iq keeps them from diagnosing the "gravity" of the situation.



The say elephants can hear deep sound waves which is why they always travel to high ground before a flood, but our GM's and Owner are standing in the flood. The flood already hit and they don't even recognize that their product is being slowly destroyed by standing water. they could build tunnels to let teh water from the flood out but to them standing in 3 feet of water is normal so they do nothing about it.

Other's watch in amusement because they have no interest in helping the wizards out of their mess unless they get something in return. It's like U.S. and north Korea, if north korea didnt have nuclear weapons, we could care less that they were one of the poorest countries int eh world. we only care because we worry about their nukes, same with wizards, managers of the team have extremely lwo basketball iq and no cares to help them and just let them sit in misery. All Wall needs to do is imitate the way Nash dribble's in the half court setting which is different from the way he dribbles on a fast break. nash keeps the ball to his side and outside of his body, never in front which is why he has a low turn over percentage. Does he ever watch and imitate how Steve Nash dribbles the ball to his side when he is sprinting to the basket? Wall would MVP of the league if only he would have enough patience to copy Nash's Dribble Drive and Chris Paul on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hT8cLdO48

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Post#9 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 11:01 am by closg00

What do you expect from a one-and-done rookie? People were complaining about Rose's faults when he first came out, poor-shooting being one of them. Look at Rose now. I would like to see the Wizards bring-on a back-up PG/guard better than Lester however.
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Post#10 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 11:05 am by nate33

AceDegenerate wrote:
nate33 wrote:Wall has some flaws, sure. I just object to the use of the term, "Amazingly Sucky". It waters down the meaning of the term and reduces it's power.


I think you mis-read WizD's generous title.

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Read it with my PDA. Nevermind.
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Post#11 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 11:08 am by nate33

closg00 wrote:What do you expect from a one-and-done rookie? People were complaining about Rose's faults when he first came out, poor-shooting being one of them. Look at Rose now. I would like to see the Wizards bring-on a back-up PG/guard better than Lester however.

Agree on all counts. It' was expected that Wall would have holes in his game. But the bottom line is that he's a freak athlete with good work ethic, good court vision, and a pass-first mentality. That's a building block for success.

Rondo didn't get good until his third season. Right now, Wall is way better than Rondo was in his rookie year.
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Post#12 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 11:26 am by DMVleGeND

WizarDynasty wrote:If only i knew tes leonsis email address.


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Post#13 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 11:31 am by truwizfan4evr

you serous make a thread bashing wall? how sick can you be lol
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Post#14 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 12:02 pm by DCZards

nate33 wrote:
It' was expected that Wall would have holes in his game. But the bottom line is that he's a freak athlete with good work ethic, good court vision, and a pass-first mentality. That's a building block for success.

Rondo didn't get good until his third season. Right now, Wall is way better than Rondo was in his rookie year.


+1

I'm certain that all the flaws that we see and point out are also seen by the Wizards org. I'm also certain that Flip, Sam Cassell, etc., have been working with John to improve ALL of his skills. And let's not forget that Wall has had bad wheels for most of the season, which not only means lost game time but, maybe even more importantly, lost practice time.

Johnny Ballgame will be just fine...he's a kid with tremendous upside. So show some patience...and sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Post#15 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 12:10 pm by pancakes3

to be fair, chaos, some of wizD's "unpopular stances" are really out there. i do find myself nodding with what he's said here, especially since others (including myself) have said so in other threads. well... everything except dribbling above the WASTE.

he's not exactly john stockton out there playing the pick and roll, i'll concede that. i had cited an example in... the charlotte game? where he just hung lewis out to dry by passing the ball too late, when shart wasn't expecting it, which led to a TO and putting the other guys up for good. however, we can chalk that one up to rookie mistake compounded with new guy coming in. i mean, i wouldn't expect rashard to roll if that were me. i'd expect him to pop out to the perimeter and wait for the kick out, no? HOWEVER, the other instances of poor pick and roll play is really on the roll guy - blatche. all those open jumpers he's been bricking? that's not JW's fault.

his defensive stance DOES leave something to be desired though. it looks like he's constantly gambling, hoping to poke the ball loose and take off on a fast break. he's got to learn that in the NBA, players are just too good. Even a bench player like Lou Williams or TJ Ford can embarrass you if you give them an inch. I'm sure the humility and respect for opponents will come after experiences like last night.... hopefully. there's really nothing ted or flip can do. wall's going to think what he's going to think.

as for not understanding the offense? i don't see that. i'm hesitant to ask but... wizD, what makes you think that Wall doesn't know the plays?

and out of control? i agree wholeheartedly. i've posted on this before, as has willB. he doesn't use his speed to his advantage. he charges at the rim full speed all the time, when speed isn't what kills in the NBA, it's the change of speed, or rather the threat of it. you don't beat people off the dribble in the NBA by flat outrunning them. again, this is the NBA. athletes are EVERYWHERE. if you are faster, it's only by tenths, if not hundredths of a second. you get by guys by making them constantly stand on edge, on the balls of their feet, and using their momentum to make them miss. Rose is great at this. Nash doubly so. the stutter steps, the abrupt stops, the crossovers... but again. all of this will come in time, health, and humility i believe.

it's way too early to be writing this thread, especially since the kid just came off a long injury stretch. i would hold off at least a year before saying "this kid's lightbulb is not in accordance with the advertised wattage".
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Post#16 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 12:31 pm by Black Eyed Sooz

LOL, I thought this was going to be the "Let's apologize to John Wall for saddling him with the curse of Les Boulez" thread.
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Post#17 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 2:34 pm by Donkey McDonkerton

So, is it too late to trade Wall to Utah for Gordon Hayward?
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Post#18 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 2:36 pm by FAH1223

It would help if he had legitimate NBA big men on his roster.
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Post#19 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 2:46 pm by Wizards2Lottery

It would be nice just having legitimate NBA talent around him on the roster. Besides Nick Young and maybe Josh Howard, I don't see another player who can make a case for starting on a contending NBA team, and even they would be relegated to role player duty.

We have guys on this team like Blatche and McGee who are more into the lifestyle of an NBA player rather than the on court play. Blatche was throwing down shots and opening bottles all last night. He's seen around the hottest clubs in DC whether we win or lose. He's never too injured to be getting his groove on at the dance floor or buying shots for groupies and his entourage. But he's always too injured to actually be trying on the floor.

But here we are, criticizing the only good thing this franchise has going for itself. We alienated and did not support a high character guy like Gilbert. We gave a multi year extension to a guy who has always been more focused on his off the court appearance rather than his on the court play.

This thread sucks and so does this franchise.
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Post#20 Re: Amazingly Sorry John Wall Thread
Sat Jan 1, 2011 3:08 pm by WizarDynasty

what you fail to realize is that JOhn wall is the engine of this team. If you ever watched transforms, the destructicons---or if you ever watched voltron...John Wall is the head. Without the head, the pieces don't work no matter what you do. Steve Nash


John Wall himself, has all the tools to correct the mentality of this team, including the bigmen because he is the one that distributes the ball and initiates the offense. He himself can transform Blatche or McGee into allstars just as Billups did in Detroit.

so if we solves] the john wall problems -- maintaining a below the knee dribble in half court set with his lft hand, knowing the placement each second for the other position on the court in a ten second play, reacting quickly with his foot placement on defense. All Wall needs to do is imitate the way Nash dribble's in the half court setting which is different from the way he dribbles on a fast break. nash keeps the ball to his side and outside of his body, never in front which is why he has a low turn over percentage. Does he ever watch and imitate how Steve Nash dribbles the ball to his side when he is sprinting to the basket? Wall would MVP of the league if only he would have enough patience to copy Nash's Dribble Drive and Chris Paul on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hT8cLdO48




John Wall has to show us that he knows what everyone is suppose to be doing on a play, not just what he is suppose to be doing. Until he shows that, this team will be a bunch of weapons with no direction. Everyone on this team knows that building chemistry with Hinrich is a waste of time because John wall is "the man".

yes john wall has the intangibles to get there...good attitude, hustles, plays with passion and is leader....but I need to see improvment and I haven't yet. His personality says that he should have corrected his dribbling, his personality says that he should have mastered are most effective plays and the minutia of not only his position but the position of the other 4 positions on the team. After 2 months, John Wall should be teaching our players where they are suppose to be because we expected him to actually master the plays...because of his personalit---the players we had before he came here could care less about learning the minutia of the other 4 positions on the court.

I expected John Wall to be instructing others because i expected him to be able to master our playbook alot quicker than the average player.

I expected Wall not to make the same mistake that he made in a previous game because "we drafted him because we thought he would study film on his own" unlike the average wizard player.

and when i say minutia, i mean being able to identify in real time when certain players execute or fail to execute key criteria for a play to work. if Blatche does hold his man on a pick, if mcgee buts someones man as they chase young through the paint, if the defense gives blatche and open angle and then collapses, where doe blatche pass once he gets double team the rim. these are the tings that Wall is suppose to have figured out in his first 2 months here. He was a number one pick because of his mind as a point guard. His bright mind is suppose to grasp these concepts quickly and get his team mates to react as quickly as he does on the court. Wall is suppose to lead the film sessions after hours to develop chemistry with his team mates..these are the intangibles that we never had with gil and why wall was selected number one. these intangibles are what tranform a bottom dwelling physically talented team into contenders.
All Wall needs to do is imitate the way Nash dribble's in the half court setting which is different from the way he dribbles on a fast break. nash keeps the ball to his side and outside of his body, never in front which is why he has a low turn over percentage. Does he ever watch and imitate how Steve Nash dribbles the ball to his side when he is sprinting to the basket? Wall would MVP of the league if only he would have enough patience to copy Nash's Dribble Drive and Chris Paul on defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hT8cLdO48



we need john wall grasp these concepts quickly so he can begin to act like a true captain.. Leonsis has to facilitate john wall reaching this point as quickly as possible even if it means imposing fines on wall for not mastering a certain percentage of the playbook each week and being able to identify what causes each play to succeed or failed if a certain pick or cut isn't made correctly..
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